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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather.
This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected.
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On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country.
Care to elaborate on that?
As for that video, two observations: It doesn't look like that guy's sport coat fit him very well, and the source is probably a little biased. The Young Turks are often likened to the liberal Fox news, and regardless of its truth overall, that particular video appeared as such. The tone was very aggressive, and the language seemed pretty unprofessional at times.
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On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.
The GOP has no plan other than to double down on GWB's policies. If you compare GWB's policies to what Romney/Ryan want to do, they are pretty much identical. Not similar in spirit, but practically identical.
Romney/Ryan is GWB's 3rd term, plain and simple.
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“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
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On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that?
Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
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On September 14 2012 07:00 kmillz wrote:
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
And why exactly did you post this without any kind of explanation you want to tell us with it? I also want to mention something written ~200 years ago has to be taken with a grain of salt regarding current politics . Its almost as stupid as talking the bible/quran literally . 200 years ago was very different .
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On September 14 2012 07:00 kmillz wrote:
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom."
I can quote Jefferson, too. If only quoting people actually expanded anybody's understanding of the world...
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On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
Underlined : How is that a bad thing, given that some socialist countries in Europe are okay? We live in a capitalist-socialist society, when one defines government holding economic interest.
Bolded : Because Mitt Romney wouldn't extend that right?
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On September 14 2012 07:00 kmillz wrote:
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
Quoting Jefferson on taxes is like quoting a sexual assault victim on sex (for lack of more pleasant analogies).
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On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
You mean the healthy Europe that is working its way out of the depressing. (just because some countrys in the south dont know wtf there doing doesnt mean that the rest isnt fine)
The Europe where if i break a leg i will not starve to death because of Medicare.
The Europe where i will be able to live and do the things i often wanted to when im old and retired thanks to Social Security.
The Europe where we pay taxes way higher then your own but live our lives surprisingly content.
The Europe that looks at you like a stepchild that never really learned to walk strait and flails about trying to impress the kids in the yard?
Yeah.... must be terrible for you.
PS.
has everyone forgotton how the Republicans tied the extension of the Patriot Act to paying for Veterans forcing Obama to sign it or leave the thousands of American Veterans without money?
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On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected.
We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions.
On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day.
Can you provide facts for those claims?
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On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions.
Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling.
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On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions.
Welcome to America where money buys you laws and judges.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions.
If we want the Supreme Court to overturn it, we'll have to put more liberal justices on the bench (which is a possibility if Obama gets re-elected). But, in the long-term, it may be better to pass an amendment.
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On September 14 2012 07:19 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions. Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling.
That's why I said, I'm not sure how it works in the US. Can judges not strike down something the supreme court enacted?
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On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
He didn't expand government. Almost all of the new spending has come from an increase of use from economic hardships, and diminished revenues from the same economic hardships. You could argue that his payroll tax cuts are "reckless," but seeing how Republicans have been pursuing even larger, more generalized cuts, it'd be hard to do so. The only big ticket item added in his administration is 1 $700 billion stimulus package, which is agreed to have put the brakes on the U.S. economic collapse.
As for taxes, it's funny to hear all these idiotic die hards talk about fiscal responsibility, and then spew crap out of their mouth the moment anybody discusses bringing the U.S.'s lowest effective tax rates since post WWII back up to reasonable levels. We have an aging population that was guaranteed a standard of living with S.S., Medicare, and Medicaid. It's fairly obvious at this point that the private sector is going to screw everybody in the ass when it comes to retirement benefits and pensions, all to serve the bottom line. Is that what government is supposed to do as well?
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On September 14 2012 07:21 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:19 bonifaceviii wrote:On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions. Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling. That's why I said, I'm not sure how it works in the US. Can judges not strike down something the supreme court enacted?
The Supreme Court are the top judges. there is no one else to go to ^^
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On September 14 2012 06:57 0mar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.
Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.
Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.
Paul Ryan is a hack. His vaunted budget doesn't balance the budget any faster than Obama's and assumes some crazy conditions for that to happen. What he does is destroy Medicare, balloon the defense budget and cut taxes on top earners while raising taxes on the middle class. His budget is about as regressive as you can make it. The Robber Barons from the early 20th century couldn't have come up with a more self-serving budget if they tried.
Of course Paul Ryan's budget is crap.
But here's the thing -- Very few people in congress actually have the courage to draft any plans out of fear of partisan attacks. I think Michael Steele brought it up on the Daily Show -- Ryan put forward a plan for discussion, even though he knew it would be ripped to shreds.
That's why nothing happens in congress. That's why the government just rehashes the same ideas, tow the line and is so uncreative. Politicians are so afraid of the optics of criticism that they're afraid to even say ideas out loud. That kind of environment is toxic.
I don't like Ryan's budget at all. Period. I definitely wouldn't want him running the country. But if I where running a company, I'd rather have guys willing to put their ideas and themselves out there a bunch of sycophants waiting for someone else to tell them what to do or think.
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I also wanna mention if the US goverment needs to cut spending they should look at their military spending. The US spends 41% of what the whole world spends on military expenditures . Thats where you should be looking for at spending cuts before touching medicare/social security. Its 711 Billion Dollars yearly the next nation is China with 143 Billion.
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On September 14 2012 07:21 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:19 bonifaceviii wrote:On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions. Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling. That's why I said, I'm not sure how it works in the US. Can judges not strike down something the supreme court enacted?
The Supreme Court doesn't "enact" anything. It rules whether laws are constitutional or not. It is the highest court, and is therefor the highest ruling on the matter. The only thing that can realistically be counted on to overwrite a Supreme Court decision is an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
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