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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 23:34:48
September 13 2012 23:33 GMT
#10061
On September 14 2012 08:29 Voltaire wrote:
Dodd-Frank is a TERRIBLE piece of legislation.

It doesn't even touch what needs to be done (the separation of commercial and investment banks)

Instead it just penalizes trading operations and actually gives more power to large investment banks.


Dodd-Frank is lacking in some areas, but it's better than having nothing at the moment. And as I stated above, we can't even enforce what laws we currently have. Regulation reform is going to be a long and enduring process (if it ever even takes flight, Dodd-Frank is a start).

If we're going to really regulate the financial/corporate sector, we must start by overriding Citizens United.
Writer
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
September 13 2012 23:44 GMT
#10062
On September 14 2012 08:33 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 08:29 Voltaire wrote:
Dodd-Frank is a TERRIBLE piece of legislation.

It doesn't even touch what needs to be done (the separation of commercial and investment banks)

Instead it just penalizes trading operations and actually gives more power to large investment banks.


Dodd-Frank is lacking in some areas, but it's better than having nothing at the moment. And as I stated above, we can't even enforce what laws we currently have. Regulation reform is going to be a long and enduring process (if it ever even takes flight, Dodd-Frank is a start).

If we're going to really regulate the financial/corporate sector, we must start by overriding Citizens United.


I agree that nothing will happen until campaign finance reform. That is honestly America's biggest problem right now. Politicians are virtually buyable. And in order for a politician to be competitive, they need to take corporate money.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 14 2012 00:18 GMT
#10063

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 00:36:05
September 14 2012 00:29 GMT
#10064
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.

Source.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 14 2012 00:35 GMT
#10065
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.


Did they really get warnings two days before?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 14 2012 00:36 GMT
#10066
On September 14 2012 09:35 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.


Did they really get warnings two days before?

Yeah, I just updated the post with the link.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 14 2012 00:43 GMT
#10067
Well that's a blunder.
Writer
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
September 14 2012 00:47 GMT
#10068
Romney was so stupid to attack Obama for "apologizing" in the middle of a crisis...sigh, he just really doesn't get it.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 00:54:02
September 14 2012 00:53 GMT
#10069
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.

Source.


I dunno, unless I see the "senior diplomatic sources" cited somewhere else I'm pretty skeptical. Plus, wording like "according to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted" is not very informative in this circumstance; it could mean anything from a report existing in the US State Department that this video was creating unrest that could cause trouble at the missions to the SD knowing that the militants had planned an assault on an unknown mission the region.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 14 2012 00:58 GMT
#10070
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.

Source.

So are we supposed to take every single threat seriously now? You know how many threats they probably get every hour?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#10071
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.

Source.


Yeah, it's almost as bad as the months of briefings the Bush Administration received about a terrorist group in the US plotting a massive attack.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:09:13
September 14 2012 01:08 GMT
#10072
It doesn't really matter if we are supposed to take these kinds of threats seriously or not - the problem is, this incident occurred while there were *possibly* (the article does not go into too many specifics) warnings against it. If it comes to light that the senior diplomatic sources were credible (regardless if these kinds of threats are frequent), it will be a blemish on Obama's/Hillary's record in the eyes of the populace. In the end, it's going to depend on how credible these sources actually were.
Writer
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 01:16:07
September 14 2012 01:10 GMT
#10073
On September 14 2012 09:58 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
On September 14 2012 09:18 Defacer wrote:

Update from Associated Press. The protest was cover for a coordinated 2-part assault by militants.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/libyan-attacks-said-be-2-part-militant-assault


This is about to turn into a disaster for the Obama administration. Not only is it looking like that the State Department had received credible warnings of the attack 48 hours ahead of time, but the militants have apparently absconded with critical intelligence information regarding American contacts in Libya.

Source.

So are we supposed to take every single threat seriously now? You know how many threats they probably get every hour?


Honestly, there isn't enough details to gauge what kind of information the US had. Obviously this attack had been plotted for months.

Bear in mind that the CIA had tons of intelligence indicating the Al Qaeda was planning a very sophisticated attack on US soil as early as May 1st. And they weren't able to prevent that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html

Maybe instead of politicizing this, we should wait to see what unfolds.

It certainly explains why the US is pulling almost all their staff out of Lybia.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 14 2012 01:12 GMT
#10074
On September 14 2012 08:25 sunprince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 14 2012 07:57 aksfjh wrote:
On September 14 2012 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:
On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
[quote]
Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet.


See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt.

Back to you.


And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups.

Back to you...


Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does.


Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance.

Tell me how the little guy had a chance to wiggle into the health insurance business or major financial business before those were passed.

There's plenty of small insurance companies and banks in the US.

According to IBIS there are 927 Health insurance co.'s and 1,065 S&L's. They aren't all huge mega corps.


Does anyone have citations/numbers which show how Obamacare and/or Dodd-Frank have actually affected the little guy?

Both laws aren't fully implemented yet. We won't be able to put a number on the effect for years.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 14 2012 02:00 GMT
#10075
also, so you know, a "small business" is a minimum 50 employees

If a firms with at least 50 workers has a full-time employee who is getting federally-subsided insurance through an ”exchange,” then that employer must pay a penalty for failing to offer that worker acceptable insurance on the job. (Workers that are offered qualified coverage by an employer are ineligible for the new insurance subsidies provided in the exchanges.)

http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/employer-mandate


it's not a small shop you see in your town...50 employees is quite a lot
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
September 14 2012 02:45 GMT
#10076
On September 14 2012 09:47 darthfoley wrote:
Romney was so stupid to attack Obama for "apologizing" in the middle of a crisis...sigh, he just really doesn't get it.


Obama's failed foreign policies are really the only thing he should be apologizing for, not for our freedom of speech!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 14 2012 02:53 GMT
#10077
On September 14 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 09:47 darthfoley wrote:
Romney was so stupid to attack Obama for "apologizing" in the middle of a crisis...sigh, he just really doesn't get it.


Obama's failed foreign policies are really the only thing he should be apologizing for, not for our freedom of speech!


What is your preferred policy?

Seriously? Do you or any of you so-called patriots have an answer? Invade the entirety of the Middle East and take it over?

Tell me. I'd really like to hear this.


Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 14 2012 02:58 GMT
#10078
Pressure is on Morsi to quell this shit storm. Not calling Egypt an 'ally' was not a gaffe. It was a very deliberate insinuation from the White House to Morsi that he better get his shit together.


CAIRO — Following a blunt phone call from President Obama, Egyptian leaders scrambled Thursday to try to repair the country’s alliance with Washington, tacitly acknowledging that they erred in their response to the attack on the United States Embassy by seeking to first appease anti-American domestic opinion without offering a robust condemnation of the violence.

Set off by anger at an American-made video ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad, the attacks on the embassy put President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in a squeeze between the need to stand with Washington against the attackers and the demands of many Egyptians to defy Washington and defend Islam, a senior Brotherhood official acknowledged.

During a late-night, 20-minute phone call, Mr. Obama warned Mr. Morsi that relations would be jeopardized if Egyptian authorities failed to protect American diplomats and stand more firmly against anti-American attacks.

The rising breach between the United States and Egypt comes at a critical time for the longtime allies. For the Obama administration, it is a test of whether it has succeeded in efforts to shore up influence after the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak and to find common ground with the new Islamist leaders of a country that is a linchpin of American policy in the Middle East.

For Egypt’s new president, the dilemma quickly became an early test of the Brotherhood’s ability to balance domestic political pressures, international commitments and its conservative religious mandate now that it is also effectively governing in a new democracy.

“We are taking the heat from both sides,” Gehad el-Haddad, a spokesman for the Brotherhood, acknowledged Thursday as the group responded belatedly with a televised presidential address, a letter to the editor in The New York Times by its top strategist, and a series of sympathetic online messages aimed at mollifying American officials.

After decades focused on disciplining its own cadre to survive underground, the Brotherhood’s leadership is still adjusting to the competing constituencies and high visibility of democratic life.

“They realized a little after the fact the degree of fallout in the U.S. and that is why you are seeing all these conciliatory statements from Brotherhood leaders today,” said Shadi Hamid, director of research at the Brookings Doha Center, who follows the group closely. “Morsi is doing a difficult dance.”

Evidently paralyzed by the conflicting pressure, Mr. Morsi had remained conspicuously silent as protesters breached the walls of the American Embassy in Cairo — a stark contrast to the help, contrition and condemnation coming from the new government of Libya, where gunmen set fire to an American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, killing Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

On Wednesday, Mr. Obama, who is campaigning, called staff members at the White House from Air Force One to arrange a telephone call to Mr. Morsi, a senior administration official said.

The president was not happy; Egypt, unlike Libya, is crucial to American security interests, given its peace treaty with Israel. At 11 p.m., from his hotel suite in Stapleton, Colo., Mr. Obama got on the phone with Mr. Morsi, who began by offering condolences on the American deaths in Libya.

But that was not what Mr. Obama was calling about.

“The president made his point that we’ve been committed to the process of change in Egypt, and we want to continue to build a relationship with the Egyptian government,” said a senior administration official. “But he made it clear how important it is that the Egyptian government work with us to lower the tension both in terms of the practical cooperation they give us and the statements they make.”

Mr. Morsi brought up the American-made video attacking the Prophet Muhammad, which had set off the violent protests, and Mr. Obama said he understood the ire felt by Muslims, but added that it did not justify attacks on the embassy.

Mr. Obama urged Mr. Morsi to publicly and strongly condemn the attacks. He had already signaled his displeasure earlier, saying in an interview on Telemundo that Egypt was not necessarily an “ally,” although White House officials were playing down the remark on Thursday.

“ ‘Ally’ is a legal term of art,” said Tommy Vietor, a spokesman with the National Security Council. “We don’t have a mutual defense treaty with Egypt like we do with our NATO allies.”

aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
September 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#10079
On September 14 2012 11:53 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 11:45 kmillz wrote:
On September 14 2012 09:47 darthfoley wrote:
Romney was so stupid to attack Obama for "apologizing" in the middle of a crisis...sigh, he just really doesn't get it.


Obama's failed foreign policies are really the only thing he should be apologizing for, not for our freedom of speech!


What is your preferred policy?

Seriously? Do you or any of you so-called patriots have an answer? Invade the entirety of the Middle East and take it over?

Tell me. I'd really like to hear this.



Careful! If you egg him on too much, he'll start quoting Jefferson again and get banned!

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) -- Republicans used the Federal Reserve's announcement of a third round of stimulus to blast President Obama, saying the lackluster economic recovery he's overseen is behind the central bank's "artificial" and "ineffective" move.

Most Republicans, including the campaign of presidential candidate Mitt Romney, used the Fed's move to tout their main campaign message going into the Nov. 6 elections, that Obama's economic stewardship has failed.

"The Federal Reserve's announcement of a third round of quantitative easing is further confirmation that President Obama's policies have not worked," said Lanhee Chen, policy director for the Romney campaign, in a statement Thursday. "We should be creating wealth, not printing dollars."

Republicans, including Romney, have criticized quantitative easing, the Fed's prime tool for juicing the economy by buying debt to increase the flow of money in the financial system. They say Fed is risking a run-up in inflation with the moves, which they dismiss as unhelpful.

Several Republicans, including Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, went so far as to blast the central bank's actions as "beginning to do serious damage to the Fed as an institution."

"Open-ended purchases of mortgage-backed securities will politicize the Fed and add substantially to its balance sheet risks, but it will not help our economy's long-term growth prospects," Corker said in a statement.

Rep. Kevin Brady, a Texas Republican, accused the Fed of adding more uncertainty to the market.

"It's time for the Fed to stop," said Brady, the top Republican on the Joint Economic Committee. "Chairman Bernanke should look President Obama and Congress in the eye and tell them the Fed has done all it can to boost the economy -- and perhaps too much."

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke defended against such criticism during a news conference Thursday, saying the central bank would continue monitoring the financial system for price stability. He added the Fed board sees no indication of unchecked inflation in the near future, but would keep an eye out.

Bernanke also dismissed any suggestion that the Fed's move might be seen in a political way to help Democrats.

"We have tried very, very hard, and I think we've been successful, to be nonpartisan and apolitical," Bernanke said . "We make our decisions entirely based on the state of the economy."

Last month, Romney said that, if elected, he would not renominate Ben Bernanke to a third term as the Federal Reserve Board chairman when Bernanke's term expires in January 2014.


Source

Looks like Republicans have lost their minds. They're mad at Bernanke for not letting the economy burn down while they hold the lighter.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 14 2012 03:22 GMT
#10080
The Jerusalem Post is now reporting that Egyptian intelligence warned the US of the attacks on September 4.

Source.
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