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On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded on right-wing values by right-wingers. The US Democrats have a foreign ideology that is anti-American.
Honestly as a fellow American, people like you make me sick to my stomach. No wonder political discourse in this country is at an all-time low.
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On September 06 2012 04:02 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:35 dvorakftw wrote:On September 06 2012 02:54 kwizach wrote:
Or maybe you could take a look at your own graph and realize that Republicans are the ones responsible for most of the significant increases in the debt?. Yeah, no. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png/350px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png) Yeah, yes. I don't even know how that graph is supposed to support your point in any way. Was I claiming that we did not have a deficit in 2011 or something?
Debt comes from too much spending. Blaming Republicans for unfunded trillions from the "Great Society" because their bill comes due when Republicans are in office is silly.
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On September 06 2012 04:27 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:12 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting. The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc. Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing. Where do you even begin with a post like this, pretty much everything is wrong. Saying NAFTA is a left policy is beyond doublethink, the SDP does not exist any longer and if the Democratic party did not recently discuss basic income guarantee then it doesn't come close to Die Linke (successor of SDP) anyway. Furthermore half the issues you mention don't really fall into the left-right spectrum. You can be an interventionalist leftist and while the European left is very critical of Israel traditionally, this is neither an inherent leftist position nore does the Democratic party back Palestine in any meaningful way.
NAFTA is left-wing, it's a step towards the North American Union, which is what the socialists want, a giant bureaucracy to control everything from, just like the EU. I believe you are referring to the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS), I was referring to the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SDP).
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On September 06 2012 04:28 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:24 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:17 farvacola wrote:On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded by right-wingers who enacted a right-wing constitution. As someone who spent a fair bit of time studying the philosophical underpinnings of both liberalism and conservatism, you could not be more wrong. Perhaps most importantly, your utterance of "right-wing" sans any temporal context is quite telling of just how little you understand in terms of political ideology. The words we use to represent "liberalism" and "conservatism" are consantly in flux as they seek to more closely match their contemporary usage, just as the usage history of the words "Republican" and "Democrat" would suggest. If you are so inclined to make sweeping generalizations, at least couch them properly. I didn't say "conservative" or "liberal." I said "right-wing," and classical liberalism is a right-wing pro-capitalist pro-gun pro-freedom pro-small government ideology. Though my college American politics book refers to the American Revolution as the "Conservative Revolution." What book is that?
Government in America: People, Politics, and Policy, Brief Study Edition, 11/e
Edit: Sorry, I didn't mean to double post.
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Yeah you are right it was a brainfart on my place because I was thinking of real leftist positions, wanted to edit but was too late (wow this is really emberassing, but no I know the biggest parties of my country.....). Concerning NAFTA you might lookup which groups most strongly opposed and protested it.
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NAFTA is left-wing, it's a step towards the North American Union, which is what the socialists want, a giant bureaucracy to control everything from, just like the EU. I believe you are referring to the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS), I was referring to the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SDP).
You do know that the EU has far less power than the US Gov?
No, you obviously don't, because you ahave to get that shit straight from your ass.
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On September 06 2012 04:28 Nanikure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded on right-wing values by right-wingers. The US Democrats have a foreign ideology that is anti-American. Honestly as a fellow American, people like you make me sick to my stomach. No wonder political discourse in this country is at an all-time low.
It's simply a fact, you can't deny that America wasn't founded on classical liberalism (modern conservatism/libertarianism).
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On September 06 2012 02:54 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 01:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 06 2012 01:02 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 06 2012 00:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 05 2012 22:45 paralleluniverse wrote:On September 05 2012 22:41 oneofthem wrote:
incidentally romney is pretty much as well placed as anyone to know exactly which loopholes to close. will he close them? dohoho In case you missed the TPC report, no amount of loophole closing would be enough to make his tax cuts deficit neutral, that's why his plan has been called mathematically impossible Is that entirely correct? The TPC report assumed a lot of big 'loopholes' were off the table. Read it yourself (page 3 to 5): http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001628-Base-Broadening-Tax-Reform.pdfYes, some loopholes are excluded (2nd dot point), but the report notes that's because Romney has said he wouldn't close those loopholes, or because they are highly impractical to close (3rd dot point). Reading the list of assumptions, it appears that the TPC has bend over backwards to make his promises add up. Regardless, "no amount of loophole closing would be enough to make his tax cuts deficit neutral" is an exaggeration. How so? Do you have any in mind that would make it neutral?
When the TPC critically analyzed Romney's tax plan they put its cost at $456B in 2015.
The TPC also estimates in a different report that total tax expenditures for 2015 would be $1,591B
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001526-Expenditure-Estimates.pdf
So, depending on which tax expenditures are on the table the plan could or could not be revenue neutral. But it is possible.
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On September 06 2012 04:34 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +NAFTA is left-wing, it's a step towards the North American Union, which is what the socialists want, a giant bureaucracy to control everything from, just like the EU. I believe you are referring to the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS), I was referring to the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SDP). You do know that the EU has far less power than the US Gov? No, you obviously don't, because you ahave to get that shit straight from your ass.
Where did I say that it didn't? The EU is an overly bureaucratic, highly centralist, and borderline unitarian organization that is sticking it's hands into everything within reach.
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On September 06 2012 04:15 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:15 Josealtron wrote:On September 06 2012 04:06 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D Really, anyone who cares what a celebrity thinks though is an idiot, especially when it comes to politics. No offense to anyone here. I'm pretty sure you have no idea who Colbert is, otherwise you wouldn't have made that comment. Colbert isn't some random Jersey Shore-type idiot celebrity, he's actually a very smart guy who's show is based off political commentary(through satire). He's very similar to Jon Stewart, who is also a very intelligent celebrity who has great debates with his guests from time to time. Anyone who can't see the difference is an idiot(no offense) I was referring to Chuck Norris...
Ah, my bad.
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On September 06 2012 04:39 Josealtron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:15 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:15 Josealtron wrote:On September 06 2012 04:06 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D Really, anyone who cares what a celebrity thinks though is an idiot, especially when it comes to politics. No offense to anyone here. I'm pretty sure you have no idea who Colbert is, otherwise you wouldn't have made that comment. Colbert isn't some random Jersey Shore-type idiot celebrity, he's actually a very smart guy who's show is based off political commentary(through satire). He's very similar to Jon Stewart, who is also a very intelligent celebrity who has great debates with his guests from time to time. Anyone who can't see the difference is an idiot(no offense) I was referring to Chuck Norris... Ah, my bad.
No problem, I should have been more specific.
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Calling BS.
An anonymous individual or group is alleging that they have gained "all available 1040 tax forms" of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney by accessing computers in the Franklin office of the professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers.
An anonymous posting on a file sharing website states that PwC has been hacked. This same website has been used by hackers who have claimed to have infiltrated computers from companies like Apple in the past.
An excerpt from one message states:
"Romney's 1040 tax returns were taken from the PWC office 8/25/2012 by gaining access to the third floor via a gentleman working on the 3rd floor of the building. Once on the 3rd floor, the team moved down the stairs to the 2nd floor and setup shop in an empty office room. During the night, suite 260 was entered, and all available 1040 tax forms for Romney were copied. A package was sent to the PWC on suite 260 with a flash drive containing a copy of the 1040 files, plus copies were sent to the Democratic office in the county and copies were sent to the GOP office in the county at the beginning of the week also containing flash drives with copies of Romney's tax returns before 2010. A scanned signature image for Mitt Romney from the 1040 forms were scanned and included with the packages, taken from earlier 1040 tax forms gathered and stored on the flash drives.
The group will release all available files to the public on the 28 of September, 2012."
Source
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@NonCorporeal again:
Haha now I see where my confusion (or really rather brainfart) came from: you wrote and continue to write SDP which is the former party of the GDR, which then became the SPD (what you wanted to write).
[EDIT to not double post]: But really, really, really, there where huge protests against NAFTA by the so called anti-globalization crowd, pretty much all of whom consider themselves to be left. Then there was this little rebellion in Chiapas, which was in part triggered by NAFTA and while it's not easy to pinpoint the ideology of the Zapatistas noone has as far as I know ever called them "right".
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On September 06 2012 04:50 silynxer wrote:
@NonCorporeal again:
Haha now I see where my confusion (or really rather brainfart) came from: you wrote and continue to write SDP which is the former party of the GDR, which then became the SPD (what you wanted to write).
I thought the GDR was governed by the SED (Socialist Unity Party)?
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Yes, but the SDP was formed to the end of the GDR, kind of transitional (should have written a party and not the party).
[EDIT to the post below to not spam this thread with silly acronyms of German parties anymore]: I meant to say, I should have written a party two posts above.
Now lets talk about NAFTA and not SPD, SDP, PDS and SED...
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On September 06 2012 05:02 silynxer wrote:
Yes, but the SDP was formed to the end of the GDR, kind of transitional (should have written a party and not the party).
Well it kind of was "the" party, as it certainly was the governing party and led what was effectively a single-party for the majority of the GDR's existence.
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On September 06 2012 04:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Calling BS. Show nested quote +An anonymous individual or group is alleging that they have gained "all available 1040 tax forms" of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney by accessing computers in the Franklin office of the professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers.
An anonymous posting on a file sharing website states that PwC has been hacked. This same website has been used by hackers who have claimed to have infiltrated computers from companies like Apple in the past.
An excerpt from one message states:
"Romney's 1040 tax returns were taken from the PWC office 8/25/2012 by gaining access to the third floor via a gentleman working on the 3rd floor of the building. Once on the 3rd floor, the team moved down the stairs to the 2nd floor and setup shop in an empty office room. During the night, suite 260 was entered, and all available 1040 tax forms for Romney were copied. A package was sent to the PWC on suite 260 with a flash drive containing a copy of the 1040 files, plus copies were sent to the Democratic office in the county and copies were sent to the GOP office in the county at the beginning of the week also containing flash drives with copies of Romney's tax returns before 2010. A scanned signature image for Mitt Romney from the 1040 forms were scanned and included with the packages, taken from earlier 1040 tax forms gathered and stored on the flash drives.
The group will release all available files to the public on the 28 of September, 2012." Source
Why would this be any more BS than all the other hacks of the last two years??
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On September 06 2012 04:35 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:28 Nanikure wrote:On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded on right-wing values by right-wingers. The US Democrats have a foreign ideology that is anti-American. Honestly as a fellow American, people like you make me sick to my stomach. No wonder political discourse in this country is at an all-time low. It's simply a fact, you can't deny that America wasn't founded on classical liberalism (modern conservatism/libertarianism).
Classical liberalism was certainly the predominant political ideology in America's early years, but don't throw around generalizations like they're facts. Politics in America have had a polarizing effect on its constituents since the federalist papers (i.e., federalists vs. nonfederalists), which predates the Constitution.
Also, in regard to the right-wing country, right-wing values nonsense, people REALLY need to do some research and/or know what they're talking about before spewing bullshit on a publicly viewed forum, albeit one as politically insignificant as this.
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On September 06 2012 05:09 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Calling BS. An anonymous individual or group is alleging that they have gained "all available 1040 tax forms" of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney by accessing computers in the Franklin office of the professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers.
An anonymous posting on a file sharing website states that PwC has been hacked. This same website has been used by hackers who have claimed to have infiltrated computers from companies like Apple in the past.
An excerpt from one message states:
"Romney's 1040 tax returns were taken from the PWC office 8/25/2012 by gaining access to the third floor via a gentleman working on the 3rd floor of the building. Once on the 3rd floor, the team moved down the stairs to the 2nd floor and setup shop in an empty office room. During the night, suite 260 was entered, and all available 1040 tax forms for Romney were copied. A package was sent to the PWC on suite 260 with a flash drive containing a copy of the 1040 files, plus copies were sent to the Democratic office in the county and copies were sent to the GOP office in the county at the beginning of the week also containing flash drives with copies of Romney's tax returns before 2010. A scanned signature image for Mitt Romney from the 1040 forms were scanned and included with the packages, taken from earlier 1040 tax forms gathered and stored on the flash drives.
The group will release all available files to the public on the 28 of September, 2012." Source Why would this be any more BS than all the other hacks of the last two years??
Because bitcoins lol
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On September 06 2012 05:11 neversummer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:35 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:28 Nanikure wrote:On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded on right-wing values by right-wingers. The US Democrats have a foreign ideology that is anti-American. Honestly as a fellow American, people like you make me sick to my stomach. No wonder political discourse in this country is at an all-time low. It's simply a fact, you can't deny that America wasn't founded on classical liberalism (modern conservatism/libertarianism). Classical liberalism was certainly the predominant political ideology in America's early years, but don't throw around generalizations like they're facts. Politics in America have had a polarizing effect on its constituents since the federalist papers (i.e., federalists vs. nonfederalists), which predates the Constitution. Also, in regard to the right-wing country, right-wing values nonsense, people REALLY need to do some research and/or know what they're talking about before spewing bullshit on a publicly viewed forum, albeit one as politically insignificant as this.
How is it nonsense? America values capitalism, gun ownership, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, concealed carry, right to trial by jury, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and various other right-wing values. Not to mention the Constitution.
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