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dvorakftw
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 05 2012 22:45 paralleluniverse wrote: In case you missed the TPC report, no amount of loophole closing would be enough to make his tax cuts deficit neutral, that's why his plan has been called mathematically impossible Maybe Romney could enact it like Obamacare with collecting taxes for ten years and then paying benefits for just six years. Or he could just shrug off trillion dollar deficits like a good Democrat. | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On September 06 2012 02:21 dvorakftw wrote: You guys on the left really, really, really, really need to get past this. need to get past this? are you kidding me? its not like the guy broke a window playing baseball. he fucked our country up. yeah, lets just pretend it never happened while we're still paying/fixing his mistakes. we get it, you're a republican good for you. lets see how that goes come november when it'll be my pleasure to ruin your day. xD | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On September 06 2012 01:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Regardless, "no amount of loophole closing would be enough to make his tax cuts deficit neutral" is an exaggeration. How so? Do you have any in mind that would make it neutral? On September 06 2012 02:35 dvorakftw wrote: Maybe Romney could enact it like Obamacare with collecting taxes for ten years and then paying benefits for just six years. Or he could just shrug off trillion dollar deficits like a good Democrat. Or maybe you could take a look at your own graph and realize that Republicans are the ones responsible for most of the significant increases in the debt? I know you have an aversion to facts, but since you're the one who posted the graph you might as well read it. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On September 06 2012 01:14 paralleluniverse wrote: What does this mean? I thought Americans wanted the government to butt off, not have "arms-length" relations? I'm not surprised that people think that, although I'd be more convinced if there were objective studies about this. I think this is a survey asking for people's opinions? I haven't read any objective study on government waste, although what I would expect to see in such a report is that waste is relatively small compared to the large size of the government. Surely they mean the dysfunctional congress? The macroeconomic situation is stable. Unemployment is stably high, growth is stably below trend. There isn't much volatility in economic indicators. So I assume this is talking about the debt ceiling debacle and the fiscal cliff. But the fiscal cliff would make the point above better, right? "Macroeconomic stability" generally refers to monetary and fiscal policy aimed at stabilizing inflation rather than employment. While the stimulus was somewhat meager and not accompanied by and effectively inflationary monetary policy, inflation hawks keep singing their tune regardless of any objective "conditions" in "reality" so Quantitative Easing and the possibility of a QE3 pretty much automatically makes the U.S. a pariah for macroeconomic stability. I mean, if a third world country had similar policies (though its not clear how they could afford them in the first place), the IMF would try to bury them. e: to some people "macroeconomic stability" is even a euphemism, similar to how "labor market flexibility" is a euphemism for "lack of protections for workers" | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 02:40 HeavenS wrote: [Bush] fucked our country up. yeah, lets just pretend it never happened while we're still paying/fixing his mistakes. we get it, Actually Bush warned against the Housing bubble and Obama helped creating it. This is similar to how Bush warned Nagin and Blanco about Katrina but still got blamed for their failure and levees made decades earlier. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
http://mashable.com/2012/09/05/hacker-ransom-romney-tax-returns/ Mitt Romney’s tax returns are reportedly in the hands of a team of hackers who plan on releasing them publicly at the end of the month unless a ransom is paid. The group allegedly obtained the files from PricewaterhouseCooper’s Tennessee office on Aug. 25, in what was described on PasteBin as a Mission Impossible-like caper: Romney’s 1040 tax returns were taken from the PWC office 8/25/2012 by gaining access to the third floor via a gentleman working on the 3rd floor of the building. Once on the 3rd floor, the team moved down the stairs to the 2nd floor and setup shop in an empty office room. During the night, suite 260 was entered, and all available 1040 tax forms for Romney were copied. A package was sent to the PWC on suite 260 with a flash drive containing a copy of the 1040 files, plus copies were sent to the Democratic office in the county and copies were sent to the GOP office in the county at the beginning of the week also containing flash drives with copies of Romney’s tax returns before 2010. A scanned signature image for Mitt Romney from the 1040 forms were scanned and included with the packages, taken from earlier 1040 tax forms gathered and stored on the flash drives. | ||
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NonCorporeal
United States106 Posts
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government) Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government) Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:26 Mohdoo wrote: This seems like a pretty huge deal of its true: http://mashable.com/2012/09/05/hacker-ransom-romney-tax-returns/ The only outcome of that situation is bad, for everybody, on both sides. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On September 06 2012 02:40 HeavenS wrote: need to get past this? are you kidding me? its not like the guy broke a window playing baseball. he fucked our country up. yeah, lets just pretend it never happened while we're still paying/fixing his mistakes. we get it, you're a republican good for you. lets see how that goes come november when it'll be my pleasure to ruin your day. xD Bush hasn't been president for four years, sorry. That's why no one in the real world cares, Obama would be up 20 points if people thought the way you did. In the real world, what's happening now is more important than the teenager-hating-his-dad emotions that flow through people like you regarding Bush. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 02:54 kwizach wrote: Or maybe you could take a look at your own graph and realize that Republicans are the ones responsible for most of the significant increases in the debt?. Yeah, no. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png/350px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png) | ||
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NonCorporeal
United States106 Posts
Source. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:26 Mohdoo wrote: This seems like a pretty huge deal of its true: http://mashable.com/2012/09/05/hacker-ransom-romney-tax-returns/ So if history repeats Obama will get re-elected, then will resign for his part in the break-in and we'll have to deal with President Biden for three years. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote: Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be: Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government) Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government) Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Libertarians tiny gov, conservatives small gov, Reps medium gov, Dems big gov, countries other than the US gigantic gov. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote: Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be: Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government) Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government) Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. | ||
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NonCorporeal
United States106 Posts
Excuse me, but could I please have a source for that? I am not questioning your honesty, I would just like to see the original data; which may be difficult, seeing as how it's a Wikipedia image and they don't always reference everything. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I don't know want to say..... | ||
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NonCorporeal
United States106 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote: Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
You have very, very selected vision. We had a revenue/spending balance that would have gotten rid of the debt that came out of Republicans and Clinton striking a deal. Then Republicans blew it by lowering revenue to lowest levels in half a century, and locking themselves into supporting the reckless move by signing a pledge to "never raise taxes." | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote: Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. I support gun rights and think many of the bans we see are a little much, but the NRA isn't something I would ever want to support. They've been highly partisan, beyond what seems acceptable to me. A lot of their ratings are unjustified and go along party lines, regardless of what Congressmen have actually supported. What's more, they've had stint of paranoia over the Obama administration suggesting that 4 more years would allow him to finish a job he never started (taking our guns away). | ||
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