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On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing.
Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!")
As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical.
//edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D
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On September 06 2012 03:35 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 02:54 kwizach wrote:
Or maybe you could take a look at your own graph and realize that Republicans are the ones responsible for most of the significant increases in the debt?. Yeah, no. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png/350px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png)
Yeah, yes. I don't even know how that graph is supposed to support your point in any way. Was I claiming that we did not have a deficit in 2011 or something?
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On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as.
I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists.
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On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists.
Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting.
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Off-scale: Anarcho-Capitalism
Far-Right: Libertarianism
Strongly to the right: US Republican Party
Center: US Democratic Party
To be more precise, you'd need a different scale for different issues, though.
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On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D
Really, anyone who cares what a celebrity thinks though is an idiot, especially when it comes to politics. No offense to anyone here.
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On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists.
His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right.
It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do.
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On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting.
Even in the U.S., the Democratic party occupies a far greater portion of the center. The far left factions of U.S. politics have largely diminished and fractured at this point in time. About the only extreme faction that has electoral effects is the Occupy movement, but they're pitiful compared to the Libertarian leaning Tea Party.
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On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting.
The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc.
Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing.
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On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D
Do you mind giving a link? For some reason I must have missed that one on his website :-)
On September 06 2012 04:12 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting. The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc. Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing.
I don't think you're familiar with the actual policies of EU parties. The Democratic Party is very clearly not left-wing but center by EU standards.
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On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do.
America is a right-wing country that was founded on right-wing values by right-wingers.
The US Democrats have a foreign ideology that is anti-American.
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On September 06 2012 04:06 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D Really, anyone who cares what a celebrity thinks though is an idiot, especially when it comes to politics. No offense to anyone here.
I'm pretty sure you have no idea who Colbert is, otherwise you wouldn't have made that comment. Colbert isn't some random Jersey Shore-type idiot celebrity, he's actually a very smart guy who's show is based off political commentary(through satire). He's very similar to Jon Stewart, who is also a very intelligent celebrity who has great debates with his guests from time to time. Anyone who can't see the difference is an idiot(no offense)
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On September 06 2012 04:15 Josealtron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:06 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D Really, anyone who cares what a celebrity thinks though is an idiot, especially when it comes to politics. No offense to anyone here. I'm pretty sure you have no idea who Colbert is, otherwise you wouldn't have made that comment. Colbert isn't some random Jersey Shore-type idiot celebrity, he's actually a very smart guy who's show is based off political commentary(through satire). He's very similar to Jon Stewart, who is also a very intelligent celebrity who has great debates with his guests from time to time. Anyone who can't see the difference is an idiot(no offense)
I was referring to Chuck Norris...
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On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded by right-wingers who enacted a right-wing constitution.
As someone who spent a fair bit of time studying the philosophical underpinnings of both liberalism and conservatism, you could not be more wrong. Perhaps most importantly, your utterance of "right-wing" sans any temporal context is quite telling of just how little you understand in terms of political ideology. The words we use to represent "liberalism" and "conservatism" are consantly in flux as they seek to more closely match their contemporary usage, just as the usage history of the words "Republican" and "Democrat" would suggest. If you are so inclined to make sweeping generalizations, at least couch them properly.
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On September 06 2012 04:12 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting. The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc. Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing.
Ok, what?
I realize this is what you think the Democratic platform is. However, if you look at what the party is actually about, you have to realize that every one of these points is either exaggerated or a non-sequitur in terms of the left/right/center debate.
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On September 06 2012 04:17 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded by right-wingers who enacted a right-wing constitution. As someone who spent a fair bit of time studying the philosophical underpinnings of both liberalism and conservatism, you could not be more wrong. Perhaps most importantly, your utterance of "right-wing" sans any temporal context is quite telling of just how little you understand in terms of political ideology. The words we use to represent "liberalism" and "conservatism" are consantly in flux as they seek to more closely match their contemporary usage, just as the usage history of the words "Republican" and "Democrat" would suggest. If you are so inclined to make sweeping generalizations, at least couch them properly.
I didn't say "conservative" or "liberal." I said "right-wing," and classical liberalism is a right-wing pro-capitalist pro-gun pro-freedom pro-small government ideology. Though my college American politics book refers to the American Revolution as the "Conservative Revolution."
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On September 06 2012 04:12 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:58 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 03:45 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:43 ilikeredheads wrote:Chuck Norris wants a certain group of people to vote a certain way.... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90 I don't know want to say..... Can't watch the video, because I'm at my college library and don't have headphones to hear the sound. But I have gained some respect for Chuck Norris in recent months, he has been very vocal about supporting gun rights and the NRA, which is always a good thing. Colbert did a bit on yesterday's show ("a thousand years of darkness...!") As much as you can be, legitimately, disappointed by Obama's performance and his views, the rhetoric is rather comical. //edit: but oh well, if Chuck Norris says so... x-D Do you mind giving a link? For some reason I must have missed that one on his website :-) Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:12 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting. The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc. Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing. I don't think you're familiar with the actual policies of EU parties. The Democratic Party is very clearly not left-wing but center by EU standards.
Gosh I am sorry for misleading you, it was John Stewart, mixed them up... they are both so damn brilliant.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-september-4-2012-tom-brokaw
Around 3:10.
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On September 06 2012 04:12 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. Maybe you should actually pick up a book? Just because those political views aren't represented in your country (and thus pretty irrelevant to this thread) doesn't mean that the US political spectrum is "the" political spectrum. It isn't. If you would like to rephrase what you said to explicitly being the US political spectrum then I agree with you, but the democratic party is anything but left oriented in a more general setting. The Democrat Party parrots the French Socialist Party, British Labour Party, German SDP, and various other left-wing European parties word-for-word. Making the government as big as possible, banning guns, creating a welfare state, pushing unlimited immigration, pushing socialist globalization (EU, UN, NAFTA, etc.), pushing non-interventionism, backing Palestine instead of Israel, etc. Even by EU standards, the Democrats are decidedly left-wing.
Furthermore half the issues you mention don't really fall into the left-right spectrum. You can be an interventionalist leftist and while the European left is very critical of Israel traditionally, this is neither an inherent leftist position nore does the Democratic party back Palestine in any meaningful way.
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Hacker group claims they have Romney's tax returns.
The best part: they'll keep the files secret if they get...
[Austin Powers music]
ONE MILLION BITCOINS!!
The files are to be released to the public on Sept. 28, according to the PasteBin document.
The release, however, could allegedly be avoided if Romney’s camp were to wire transfer $1 million in Bitcoins — an online currency that is difficult both to trace and to identify.
“The keys to unlock the data will be purged and whatever is inside the documents will remain a secret forever,” states another PasteBin document. “Failure to do this before September 28, the entire world will be allowed to view the documents with a publicly released key to unlock everything. And the same time, the other interested parties will be allowed to compete with you."
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On September 06 2012 04:24 NonCorporeal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 04:17 farvacola wrote:On September 06 2012 04:14 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 04:10 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2012 04:02 NonCorporeal wrote:On September 06 2012 03:41 aksfjh wrote:On September 06 2012 03:27 NonCorporeal wrote:
Falling, I think we have different views of the left-right spectrum. This is what it should be:
Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government)
Centre-Right: Libertarianism (Small Government)
Centre-Left: US Republican Party (Big Government)
Far-Left: US Democratic Party (Gigantic Government) Far-Right: Anarcho-Capitalism (No Government) Right: Libertarianism (Minimalist Government) Center-Right: US Republican Party (Very limited, but visible Government) Center: US Democratic Party (Government provides some services, market provides alternatives to most) Center-Left: Scandinavian Countries (Government provides services and owns entire industries) Left: China (public ownership of most industries, extreme oversight) Far-Left: Communism (public ownership of all means of production) That's what it should look like. Even then, I might still have skewed it towards the left, so Democrats may be more "right" than I put them as. I'm surprised that an American would draw that conclusion, it seems more like what someone in the Soviet Union would say, no offense. There's nothing "centre" about the Democrats or the EU socialists. His depiction is quite accurate, though I would generally just say that the spectrum in regards to the US is skewed. Compared to the EU, US is slightly to the right. It's not that easily to distinguish because many countries come from different backgrounds and developed in a different way. But for starters this should do. America is a right-wing country that was founded by right-wingers who enacted a right-wing constitution. As someone who spent a fair bit of time studying the philosophical underpinnings of both liberalism and conservatism, you could not be more wrong. Perhaps most importantly, your utterance of "right-wing" sans any temporal context is quite telling of just how little you understand in terms of political ideology. The words we use to represent "liberalism" and "conservatism" are consantly in flux as they seek to more closely match their contemporary usage, just as the usage history of the words "Republican" and "Democrat" would suggest. If you are so inclined to make sweeping generalizations, at least couch them properly. I didn't say "conservative" or "liberal." I said "right-wing," and classical liberalism is a right-wing pro-capitalist pro-gun pro-freedom pro-small government ideology. Though my college American politics book refers to the American Revolution as the "Conservative Revolution."
What book is that?
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