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On November 06 2012 13:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 13:01 holy_war wrote:On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.
Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.
WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!
It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind. And sadly, neither Obama nor Romney can do much about that debt. It's either fix the debt at the cost of double dip recession or keep the debt while restoring the economy. Obama leans toward the former, Romney the latter. Not a good.position to be in.
Romney promised to 'fix' the debt sometime far in the future, admitting that any cuts would bring about a recession and therefore he would not institute any cuts in his first year on the office. He then went on to note that he believes just by the dint of his election the economy will improve because of 'increased confidence'. So not much of a budget help there. And if he runs on the Ryan budget, the debt goes up and is only fixed sometime in 2040.
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On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.
Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.
WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!
It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.
The high fiving will be a result of avoiding a president who wants to give out a five trillion dollar tax cut that can not be payed for, and wants to expand the military beyond even what the pentagon wants. What needs to happen to avoid the debt is a mix of tax hikes and spending cuts, and only one candidate seems to acknowledge this, even if it is not as well as most people would like. If Obama wins i will celebrate not because it four more years of Obama, but because it isn't 4 years of Romney and 4 more years of trickle down economics.
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On November 06 2012 13:04 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.
Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.
WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!
It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind. What's the national debt when you add 5 to 7 trillion to it, as Romney has essentially proposed?
You are right, there is no real choice when it comes to this issue. There hasn't been for decades.
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If anyone in this thread played HoN you might enjoy this tidbit, I found it on their forums:
MidRomney wrote:
Hello all, I happened to be campaigning with my good teal Chris Christie in New Jersey when I was waylayed by Stormspirit Sandy. My lightbrand has just now returned (my power supply went out), and I wanted to let everyone know that I am re-energizering my campaign against Barracks Obama to become President of Newerth. He must be insanitarius if he thinks that this setback would cause me to concede against a person who looks like a shrunken head with everything but his ears. I only have one night to go before the election, but I will be playing matchmaking with everyone on US East and US West tonight in one final push to win this thing. Moving past my own personal struggle, the most important thing to remember about all this is the strength those people of New Jersey showed me in sustainering through these trying times. If I am able to hit 1900 tonight, I will personally donate $20 million to the victims of Hurricane Sandy with the Church of Latter Day Heroes matching me in my donation. If I do not hit 1900, I will donate $1 million for every 5 mmr above 1800 that I end the night with, again with the Church matching my donation.
Thank you all, and I tablet of command all of you to go out and vote tomorrow. After I win, Obama can go back to getting null stoned.
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On November 06 2012 13:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:If anyone in this thread played HoN you might enjoy this tidbit, I found it on their forums: Show nested quote +MidRomney wrote:
Hello all, I happened to be campaigning with my good teal Chris Christie in New Jersey when I was waylayed by Stormspirit Sandy. My lightbrand has just now returned (my power supply went out), and I wanted to let everyone know that I am re-energizering my campaign against Barracks Obama to become President of Newerth. He must be insanitarius if he thinks that this setback would cause me to concede against a person who looks like a shrunken head with everything but his ears. I only have one night to go before the election, but I will be playing matchmaking with everyone on US East and US West tonight in one final push to win this thing. Moving past my own personal struggle, the most important thing to remember about all this is the strength those people of New Jersey showed me in sustainering through these trying times. If I am able to hit 1900 tonight, I will personally donate $20 million to the victims of Hurricane Sandy with the Church of Latter Day Heroes matching me in my donation. If I do not hit 1900, I will donate $1 million for every 5 mmr above 1800 that I end the night with, again with the Church matching my donation.
Thank you all, and I tablet of command all of you to go out and vote tomorrow. After I win, Obama can go back to getting null stoned.
LoL and DotA made me understand this enough to laugh lol
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On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l.
My side hurts.
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Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS!
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
I think it's just trying to avoid culpability when it inevitably causes fatal stomach parasites. Sorry.
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
Jill Stein for president, the trees are saved.
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
It's okay, my fortune today said "you don't have to worry about your future." And I want a job in an agency in Romney will probably cut, sooooo...
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On November 06 2012 13:07 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 13:04 Defacer wrote:On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.
Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.
WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!
It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind. What's the national debt when you add 5 to 7 trillion to it, as Romney has essentially proposed? You are right, there is no real choice when it comes to this issue. There hasn't been for decades.
Clawing back the debt will probably take a generation, to be honest. The real question is how do you do it without crippling the largest consumer class in the world and tanking the economy.
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
Suddenly Texas votes for Obama and the Northeast all become red states
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On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l.
You do realize where I get this information, don't you? GOP numbers have him within striking distance. I still paint it blue, but he's got a legit shot. The Philly poll problems will come into play.
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On November 06 2012 13:21 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l. You do realize where I get this information, don't you? GOP numbers have him within striking distance. I still paint it blue, but he's got a legit shot. The Philly poll problems will come into play.
It is a waste of time to point out anything that contradicts Nate Silver around here. Best just wait til tomorrow.
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On November 06 2012 13:21 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l. You do realize where I get this information, don't you? GOP numbers have him within striking distance. I still paint it blue, but he's got a legit shot. The Philly poll problems will come into play.
You do realize why he's laughing, don't you? Well evidently not. No shit GOP numbers have him within striking distance, you think they'll leak information days before the election telling you they're making a desperate last ditch hail marry?
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
Third party upset? :-D *crosses fingers*
Some of you might find this "poll" of sorts interesting. Friend of mine recommended it and it seems very unbiased and thorough. I suggest you give it a shot and post your results. I'll be posting mine in a sec.
http://www.isidewith.com/#52574784
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On November 06 2012 13:21 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l. You do realize where I get this information, don't you? GOP numbers have him within striking distance. I still paint it blue, but he's got a legit shot. The Philly poll problems will come into play.
I always wondered, how are internal polling numbers superior to analysis of aggregated polls? What insight or data do they have that external polls don't?
Honest question here.
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On November 06 2012 13:26 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 13:21 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer. Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red. Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies. I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it. l.o.l. You do realize where I get this information, don't you? GOP numbers have him within striking distance. I still paint it blue, but he's got a legit shot. The Philly poll problems will come into play. You do realize why he's laughing, don't you? Well evidently not. No shit GOP numbers have him within striking distance, you think they'll leak information days before the election telling you they're making a desperate last ditch hail marry?
.... sigh. Nevermind, I forget I'm talking to a bunch of liberals with fingers in their ears. I'm not relating partisan information, you know. Just remember this tomorrow. It's much closer than RCP has it. I'll just leave it at that.
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On November 06 2012 13:17 Souma wrote:
Guys, the fortune from the fortune cookie I just ate says, "A surprise will come from an unexpected source."
That doesn't sound good~
Talk about redundancy, lol.
As for Romney in PA, I live in western PA and have my whole life, and in my general experience it's just gradually becoming more conservative over time as things like blue-collar unions become less powerful entities (Pittsburgh used to be a huge union place, not nearly as much now). Other than in the City of Pittsburgh (where not that many people actually live) everything's just sort of socially conservative and old-fashioned which is now becoming the dominant characteristic. I really think Obama will do horribly here, worse than last time, so this is where I think the chance comes in.
It's all about the eastern PA turnout and interest though, cause Obama is so strong there in both the Philly suburbs and city and I don't think his appeal there is diminishing and it's also the more populated side of the state.
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