• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:45
CET 21:45
KST 05:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down21ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League99
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash Rollback Netcode in Brood War Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11123 users

President Obama Re-Elected - Page 1211

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1504 Next
Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
November 06 2012 03:42 GMT
#24201
Obama hwaiting~!
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 03:54:02
November 06 2012 03:43 GMT
#24202
Nate Silver and the 538 updated his prediction yet again today
7.8% for Romney
92.2% for Obama

Not much change from his earlier update today but Blue improved again.

Edit: Biggest changes are

Ohio at 91% for Obama
Florida flipped over to favor Obama slightly at 53%
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 03:47:07
November 06 2012 03:46 GMT
#24203
On November 06 2012 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.


If Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Brian Sandoval, and (hopefully) Jon Huntsman are the prime Republican presidential candidates for 2016 I can't see the party radicalizing/staying as right as it was this primary cycle.

If those are the republican candidates they would have a really good shot at the white house, but if you add in Santorum and other tea party darlings the primary will go so far to the right that they will scare off moderates and even Huntsman will have to win back independents who fled because of the rhetoric in the primary. Basically the tea party has to fizzle out or at least lose some power with-in the gop or the party will stay really far to the right.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Reps won't lose seats. I think with census shifts and incumbents dropping like flies they'll gain seats.

Definitely support Christie in 2016. He's bluntly honest and makes it work.

I might be able to support that.


Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and co might run again but it's really hard to shake the dirt off of the loss to someone who lost without money backers like Romney had. They could try to frame Romney as losing because of not being conservative enough, but most of the big hitters in the party are smart enough to know that's not why Romney lost (if he loses) and more importantly will be able to state it eloquently.

It helps that they all came off terribly favorability-wise in the primaries if I remember right. Maybe Palin will actually run this go around, but Christie et al will swat her off as easily as they'd swat off Paul Ryan.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
November 06 2012 03:49 GMT
#24204
On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer.


Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red.


Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies.

I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
November 06 2012 03:51 GMT
#24205
On November 06 2012 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.


If Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Brian Sandoval, and (hopefully) Jon Huntsman are the prime Republican presidential candidates for 2016 I can't see the party radicalizing/staying as right as it was this primary cycle.

If those are the republican candidates they would have a really good shot at the white house, but if you add in Santorum and other tea party darlings the primary will go so far to the right that they will scare off moderates and even Huntsman will have to win back independents who fled because of the rhetoric in the primary. Basically the tea party has to fizzle out or at least lose some power with-in the gop or the party will stay really far to the right.

On November 06 2012 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Reps won't lose seats. I think with census shifts and incumbents dropping like flies they'll gain seats.

Definitely support Christie in 2016. He's bluntly honest and makes it work.

I might be able to support that.


Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and co might run again but it's really hard to shake the dirt off of the loss to someone who lost without money backers like Romney had. They could try to frame Romney as losing because of not being conservative enough, but most of the big hitters in the party are smart enough to know that's not why Romney lost (if he loses) and more importantly will be able to state it eloquently.

It helps that they all came off terribly favorability-wise in the primaries if I remember right. Maybe Palin will actually run this go around, but Christie et al will swat her off as easily as they'd swat off Paul Ryan.

Or, if that fails, he can always sit on them. Or eat them.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
November 06 2012 03:53 GMT
#24206
On November 06 2012 12:32 Signet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.

One thing to keep in mind, with the district maps we had from the 2000 redistricting, the median congressional district in this country had a partisan voter index of R+2, meaning that in a year when the national vote was split 50/50, that district would be 52% Republican. (alternatively, the Democrats would need to win 52% of the vote nationwide to be expected to win 50% of the vote in that district) The 2010 redistricting changed that to R+3. The House should be safely Republican until 2022 unless the party really screws up. This year, I think the worst-case scenario for the GOP is losing 15 house seats, and I expect the actual result to be a gain of less than 10 for either party.


They don't need to lose the House. That's far too unrealistic. What needs to happen in the House needs to lose some republican seats so that house members are actually scared of losing their jobs. There's a lot of really close tea party races right now, so I imagine they'll lose a couple. More they lose, the more moderate they'll be after.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
November 06 2012 03:54 GMT
#24207
On November 06 2012 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.


If Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Brian Sandoval, and (hopefully) Jon Huntsman are the prime Republican presidential candidates for 2016 I can't see the party radicalizing/staying as right as it was this primary cycle.

If those are the republican candidates they would have a really good shot at the white house, but if you add in Santorum and other tea party darlings the primary will go so far to the right that they will scare off moderates and even Huntsman will have to win back independents who fled because of the rhetoric in the primary. Basically the tea party has to fizzle out or at least lose some power with-in the gop or the party will stay really far to the right.

On November 06 2012 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Reps won't lose seats. I think with census shifts and incumbents dropping like flies they'll gain seats.

Definitely support Christie in 2016. He's bluntly honest and makes it work.

I might be able to support that.


Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and co might run again but it's really hard to shake the dirt off of the loss to someone who lost without money backers like Romney had. They could try to frame Romney as losing because of not being conservative enough, but most of the big hitters in the party are smart enough to know that's not why Romney lost (if he loses) and more importantly will be able to state it eloquently.

It helps that they all came off terribly favorability-wise in the primaries if I remember right. Maybe Palin will actually run this go around, but Christie et al will swat her off as easily as they'd swat off Paul Ryan.

I hope you are right, but living in a area with a fair number of tea party true believers, they honestly think Romney was to moderate to get elected, and that someone like Sanoturm (or palin) could have won this year. There will be people pushing for those candidates to run again, and they will be vocal enough to attract attention. And in politics yelling loud enough is sometimes enough to have an effect.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 03:56:19
November 06 2012 03:55 GMT
#24208
On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer.


Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red.


Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies.

I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it.


Anderson Cooper tried to pin down that Cutter chick from the DNC on this.

He asked her....Did the PA ad spend from Romney mean anything...

She said..Nope..act of desperation.

Then he came back with... Well why did you send Bill Clinton to Pennsylvania then?...the last campaign day?

And she flubbed some weak response.


Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 06 2012 03:55 GMT
#24209
On November 06 2012 12:49 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:38 Unholy_Prince wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:36 BluePanther wrote:
allegedly the internal polls are very close in PA. That could be a game-changer.


Internal polls have around a 6 point bias towards the party they come from. PA isn't going red.


Internal polls are they ones where they base their spending money on and are far more elaborate and accurate than polling agencies.

I'm not talking out of my ass here. Apparently Romney's move there wasn't based on desperation; they actually think they can win it.

l.o.l.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
November 06 2012 03:57 GMT
#24210
On November 06 2012 12:53 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:32 Signet wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.

One thing to keep in mind, with the district maps we had from the 2000 redistricting, the median congressional district in this country had a partisan voter index of R+2, meaning that in a year when the national vote was split 50/50, that district would be 52% Republican. (alternatively, the Democrats would need to win 52% of the vote nationwide to be expected to win 50% of the vote in that district) The 2010 redistricting changed that to R+3. The House should be safely Republican until 2022 unless the party really screws up. This year, I think the worst-case scenario for the GOP is losing 15 house seats, and I expect the actual result to be a gain of less than 10 for either party.


They don't need to lose the House. That's far too unrealistic. What needs to happen in the House needs to lose some republican seats so that house members are actually scared of losing their jobs. There's a lot of really close tea party races right now, so I imagine they'll lose a couple. More they lose, the more moderate they'll be after.

I definitely agree with your last line. I don't see the total change being more than 10 for either party, but there are always a lot of close House races and there is always the possibility that, for all the talk about Republican undersampling, the polls have actually undersampled Latinos again or something like that.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 06 2012 03:58 GMT
#24211
On November 06 2012 12:51 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.


If Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Brian Sandoval, and (hopefully) Jon Huntsman are the prime Republican presidential candidates for 2016 I can't see the party radicalizing/staying as right as it was this primary cycle.

If those are the republican candidates they would have a really good shot at the white house, but if you add in Santorum and other tea party darlings the primary will go so far to the right that they will scare off moderates and even Huntsman will have to win back independents who fled because of the rhetoric in the primary. Basically the tea party has to fizzle out or at least lose some power with-in the gop or the party will stay really far to the right.

On November 06 2012 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Reps won't lose seats. I think with census shifts and incumbents dropping like flies they'll gain seats.

Definitely support Christie in 2016. He's bluntly honest and makes it work.

I might be able to support that.


Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and co might run again but it's really hard to shake the dirt off of the loss to someone who lost without money backers like Romney had. They could try to frame Romney as losing because of not being conservative enough, but most of the big hitters in the party are smart enough to know that's not why Romney lost (if he loses) and more importantly will be able to state it eloquently.

It helps that they all came off terribly favorability-wise in the primaries if I remember right. Maybe Palin will actually run this go around, but Christie et al will swat her off as easily as they'd swat off Paul Ryan.

Or, if that fails, he can always sit on them. Or eat them.


He could just eat all his political opponents, get elected, and make all the other countries feel bad about themselves.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
November 06 2012 03:59 GMT
#24212
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
November 06 2012 04:01 GMT
#24213
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.


And sadly, neither Obama nor Romney can do much about that debt.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 06 2012 04:02 GMT
#24214
On November 06 2012 12:54 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:38 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 06 2012 12:26 DoubleReed wrote:
I think the rightness of the republicans will be determined by how many seats they lose in the election. If they manage to be relatively unscathed, then they'll probably stay right and uncompromising. If they lose seats and barely squeeze seats out, I can see them becoming more reasonable.


If Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Brian Sandoval, and (hopefully) Jon Huntsman are the prime Republican presidential candidates for 2016 I can't see the party radicalizing/staying as right as it was this primary cycle.

If those are the republican candidates they would have a really good shot at the white house, but if you add in Santorum and other tea party darlings the primary will go so far to the right that they will scare off moderates and even Huntsman will have to win back independents who fled because of the rhetoric in the primary. Basically the tea party has to fizzle out or at least lose some power with-in the gop or the party will stay really far to the right.

On November 06 2012 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Reps won't lose seats. I think with census shifts and incumbents dropping like flies they'll gain seats.

Definitely support Christie in 2016. He's bluntly honest and makes it work.

I might be able to support that.


Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and co might run again but it's really hard to shake the dirt off of the loss to someone who lost without money backers like Romney had. They could try to frame Romney as losing because of not being conservative enough, but most of the big hitters in the party are smart enough to know that's not why Romney lost (if he loses) and more importantly will be able to state it eloquently.

It helps that they all came off terribly favorability-wise in the primaries if I remember right. Maybe Palin will actually run this go around, but Christie et al will swat her off as easily as they'd swat off Paul Ryan.

I hope you are right, but living in a area with a fair number of tea party true believers, they honestly think Romney was to moderate to get elected, and that someone like Sanoturm (or palin) could have won this year. There will be people pushing for those candidates to run again, and they will be vocal enough to attract attention. And in politics yelling loud enough is sometimes enough to have an effect.
That may be the case, but all that means is that the conservative vote will be split. The people with money picked Romney for the simple reason that he seemed the most electable out of a bad lot once Perry proved to be incapable of public speaking. The same will happen to either Rubio or Christie. Both of those guys can appeal to voters in Ohio and Virginia and Colorado. The Tea Party types like Santorum or Bachman or whatever could only get votes in the Confederacy and probably not even Virginia and Florida. Whatever you can say about the GOP in general, the people who give over hundreds of millions to it arent stupid. [Although I guess if Mitt does lose, they will feel pretty pretty dumb considering the vast sums of money that went into this]
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
November 06 2012 04:03 GMT
#24215
On November 06 2012 13:01 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.


And sadly, neither Obama nor Romney can do much about that debt.

Even more sadly (for deficit hawks), both have promised to avoid the "fiscal cliff" that would bring the deficit somewhat under control.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 06 2012 04:03 GMT
#24216
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.


Yes, because Romney has campaigned so hard on fixing our terrible generational accounting. I mean, he's even said he's not going to make any cuts to Medicare for the baby boomers and raged against the cuts Obama did make to the program!

Oh wait, that's actually not going to fix our long-term entitlement problem? And neither will repealing all the comparative effectiveness and public health infrastructure in the ACA? Huh...
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 06 2012 04:03 GMT
#24217
On November 06 2012 13:01 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.


And sadly, neither Obama nor Romney can do much about that debt.


It's either fix the debt at the cost of double dip recession or keep the debt while restoring the economy. Obama leans toward the former, Romney the latter.

Not a good.position to be in.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 06 2012 04:04 GMT
#24218
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.

Ya. And the women. And the African Americans. And the college educated urban dwellers. And the Latinos. But you see the light, and only if the genius of Ron Paul could turn America back to the wonders of the 19th century all problems would be solved.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 06 2012 04:04 GMT
#24219
Didn't McCain/Palin try the Pennsylvania Hail Mary in 08?
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 06 2012 04:04 GMT
#24220
On November 06 2012 12:59 Zaqwert wrote:
Obama will probably win and this thread will erupt in high fives and celebration.

Meanwhile every person under 18 in this country is inheriting $218,676 in national debt.

WOW, we did it you guys! FOUR MORE YEARS!

It's a great irony in life that all the silly children supporting him this time will be the one inheriting the disaster of a country his policies will leave behind.


What's the national debt when you add 5 to 7 trillion to it, as Romney has essentially proposed?

Prev 1 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1504 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
02:00
#68
RotterdaM869
TaKeTV 305
TKL 257
SteadfastSC174
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 869
ByuN 574
TKL 257
Nina 244
SteadfastSC 174
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1098
Dewaltoss 139
ProTech94
HiyA 48
Shinee 43
Aegong 23
scan(afreeca) 10
Dota 2
qojqva2871
420jenkins904
monkeys_forever277
PGG 214
capcasts65
Counter-Strike
allub85
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3613
Liquid`Hasu921
Other Games
tarik_tv7350
Liquid`RaSZi2864
ceh92076
Mlord518
C9.Mang0199
XaKoH 156
Mew2King76
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL608
Other Games
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 15
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3603
Other Games
• imaqtpie684
• Shiphtur654
• WagamamaTV429
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 15m
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
16h 15m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 4h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
4 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-01
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Proleague 2026-11-02
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.