On July 14 2013 03:23 hifriend wrote: Is bringing your gun and stalking random people on the streets a common practice in USA? Just seems like a recipe for disaster.
he is a neighbourhood watchman, so not that strange.
On July 14 2013 03:23 hifriend wrote: Is bringing your gun and stalking random people on the streets a common practice in USA? Just seems like a recipe for disaster.
Yes, literally everyone in the US has multiple guns and is just looking for a chance to use them.
I would like to know what the jury is talking about after 8 hours.
On July 14 2013 03:26 Kaitlin wrote: Can anybody point to what the prosecution has so much as suggested that George Zimmerman could have done something else to stop the ongoing attack by Trayvon Martin. I could see arguing that he shouldn't have shot him because he had other less lethal alternatives, but they have yet to suggest, let alone prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he had any alternative to stop the attack.
not sure if they said anything, but an inexperienced mma fighter is basically sol when mounted, the one witness mentioned this pretty well and made it clear gz was not experienced haha. Yelling for help was his best option
On July 14 2013 02:39 boredrex wrote: you know, I've been reading people saying Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull his gun from that position. Then I realized that if Trayvon Martin dressed like a thug and had his pants around his knees, Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull his gun. How would have thought that having your pants around your knees could save you!
Actually, if you look at the 7-11 video, you can see how his pants are worn. I noticed that I think it was yesterday. They were down, thug-like.
not mom jeans = "thug-like"
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Is he wearing a "I just voted", or a "I just gave blood to the redcross Sticker"? I guess it could be the Obama logo?
he was 17 so i dont think it was i just voted maybe blood
On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote: [quote] Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
What you are not getting is that the extent of Zimmerman's injuries do not matter. How many more punches, head slams or head injuries should Zimmerman have waited to receieve before he shot in self defense? This incident lasted about 45 seconds of one man continuously beating on another. One has injuries and the other doesn't. One eye witness who was right in front of where this happened identified Trayvon as the one on top throwing a beatdown on the guy on the bottom. He also identified Zimmerman was the one calling for help.
There is 0 evidence that GZ started the confrontation let alone the fight or struggle itself. As I said again, the fact that Trayvon had 4 minutes to go or run home and didn't says to me he waited and confronted GZ. There is 0 evidence that GZ continued to follow TM after the operator said he didn't need to follow him and there is 0 evidence that counters what GZ said about going through the T to get an address.
Evidence nor common sense is on your side.
This is whats funny to me...u guys make it seem like its so cut and dry and the prosecution has no case at all...then why hasnt a not guilty verdict come back yet? If it was so obvious they wouldve came back with a non guilty verdict in the first few hours. Apparently some in the jury agree with me that facts and common sense are not both against me.
They haven't come back because if they were to rule too fast, they'll definitely going to be backlash because its seen as an important case. That and I'm sure they'll want to make sure that they all agree with the final decision whether he's guilty or not. Majority of the evidence points towards the defense and there isn't much working for the prosecution. Did you watch this trial unfold? Majority of people in this thread have been watching it daily, including myself. The prosecution was reduced to using comments like use your heart and common sense and screaming over the top to try and intimidate the jury to find him guilty. They are that desperate because of the lack of evidence. Did Zimmerman lie about his account? Possibly but the whole thing? I doubt it. I feel that he may have fixed up the story a bit at certain points to make it more in his favour however there hasn't been anything pointed to his account in regards to it as well as the fact that his account for the most part(aside from the smaller stuff) fits with the evidence. The gun wound pattern, density, spread, John Good's testimony, gym trainer saying he's soft and not a fighter(for Zimmerman) etc... all massively work in his favour. Let's not forget the two lacerations on the back of his head, the side damage(forgot names lol) and the fractured nose he got while Trayvon had a scratch on his knuckles and nothing else. Point is, when looking at the evidence, majority of it is for Zimmerman and not Trayvon. Is it sad he lost his life? yes and I dislike Zimmerman's approach to the situation but he did nothing illegal thus he can't be punished by 2nd degree or manslaughter.
On July 14 2013 03:23 hifriend wrote: Is bringing your gun and stalking random people on the streets a common practice in USA? Just seems like a recipe for disaster.
Zimmerman followed and not stalked. Stalking is when you repeatedly do the aforementioned action. I believe that keeping the gun on you is normal for people with concealed gun license. After all, why buy the gun if not to use for self-defense?
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
What you are not getting is that the extent of Zimmerman's injuries do not matter. How many more punches, head slams or head injuries should Zimmerman have waited to receieve before he shot in self defense? This incident lasted about 45 seconds of one man continuously beating on another. One has injuries and the other doesn't. One eye witness who was right in front of where this happened identified Trayvon as the one on top throwing a beatdown on the guy on the bottom. He also identified Zimmerman was the one calling for help.
There is 0 evidence that GZ started the confrontation let alone the fight or struggle itself. As I said again, the fact that Trayvon had 4 minutes to go or run home and didn't says to me he waited and confronted GZ. There is 0 evidence that GZ continued to follow TM after the operator said he didn't need to follow him and there is 0 evidence that counters what GZ said about going through the T to get an address.
Evidence nor common sense is on your side.
This is whats funny to me...u guys make it seem like its so cut and dry and the prosecution has no case at all...then why hasnt a not guilty verdict come back yet? If it was so obvious they wouldve came back with a non guilty verdict in the first few hours. Apparently some in the jury agree with me that facts and common sense are not both against me.
Go look at the presecutions case. go look at there closing statement. Find a fact. a single undisputed fact that supports there theory. Oh wait at this point they dont even have a theory of events anymore that hasnt been debunked by the defense.
The reason people here assume its cut and dry is because there is utterly no evidence that supports zimmerman as being guilty of anything.
Lol see what I mean...Zimmerman's completely innocent and the defense has a slam dunk case. Yet the Jury's been deliberating for what, 8 hours now? Are they talking about their vacation plans maybe? Or could it be the defense's case isnt as strong as youd like to believe. Lets wait for the verdict and see what happens
On July 14 2013 03:36 antelope591 wrote: Lol see what I mean...Zimmerman's completely innocent and the defense has a slam dunk case. Yet the Jury's been deliberating for what, 8 hours now? Are they talking about their vacation plans maybe? Or could it be the defense's case isnt as strong as youd like to believe. Lets wait for the verdict and see what happens
I'm going to bet that the verdict will either be out today at 5 or not for a long time.
On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote: [quote] Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
What you are not getting is that the extent of Zimmerman's injuries do not matter. How many more punches, head slams or head injuries should Zimmerman have waited to receieve before he shot in self defense? This incident lasted about 45 seconds of one man continuously beating on another. One has injuries and the other doesn't. One eye witness who was right in front of where this happened identified Trayvon as the one on top throwing a beatdown on the guy on the bottom. He also identified Zimmerman was the one calling for help.
There is 0 evidence that GZ started the confrontation let alone the fight or struggle itself. As I said again, the fact that Trayvon had 4 minutes to go or run home and didn't says to me he waited and confronted GZ. There is 0 evidence that GZ continued to follow TM after the operator said he didn't need to follow him and there is 0 evidence that counters what GZ said about going through the T to get an address.
Evidence nor common sense is on your side.
This is whats funny to me...u guys make it seem like its so cut and dry and the prosecution has no case at all...then why hasnt a not guilty verdict come back yet? If it was so obvious they wouldve came back with a non guilty verdict in the first few hours. Apparently some in the jury agree with me that facts and common sense are not both against me.
You're making an argumentum ad populum fallacy here:
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so." This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, and bandwagon fallacy, and in Latin as argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number"), and consensus gentium ("agreement of the clans"). It is also the basis of a number of social phenomena, including communal reinforcement and the bandwagon effect. The Chinese proverb "three men make a tiger" concerns the same idea.
It is fundamentally irrelevant whether or not there are undecided jurors/the jury is taking time in its deliberations. You need to debate the facts and arguments that Esk23 presented head-on if you want this argument to get anywhere.
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
What you are not getting is that the extent of Zimmerman's injuries do not matter. How many more punches, head slams or head injuries should Zimmerman have waited to receieve before he shot in self defense? This incident lasted about 45 seconds of one man continuously beating on another. One has injuries and the other doesn't. One eye witness who was right in front of where this happened identified Trayvon as the one on top throwing a beatdown on the guy on the bottom. He also identified Zimmerman was the one calling for help.
There is 0 evidence that GZ started the confrontation let alone the fight or struggle itself. As I said again, the fact that Trayvon had 4 minutes to go or run home and didn't says to me he waited and confronted GZ. There is 0 evidence that GZ continued to follow TM after the operator said he didn't need to follow him and there is 0 evidence that counters what GZ said about going through the T to get an address.
Evidence nor common sense is on your side.
This is whats funny to me...u guys make it seem like its so cut and dry and the prosecution has no case at all...then why hasnt a not guilty verdict come back yet? If it was so obvious they wouldve came back with a non guilty verdict in the first few hours. Apparently some in the jury agree with me that facts and common sense are not both against me.
Go look at the presecutions case. go look at there closing statement. Find a fact. a single undisputed fact that supports there theory. Oh wait at this point they dont even have a theory of events anymore that hasnt been debunked by the defense.
The reason people here assume its cut and dry is because there is utterly no evidence that supports zimmerman as being guilty of anything.
Lol see what I mean...Zimmerman's completely innocent and the defense has a slam dunk case. Yet the Jury's been deliberating for what, 8 hours now? Are they talking about their vacation plans maybe? Or could it be the defense's case isnt as strong as youd like to believe. Lets wait for the verdict and see what happens
It can take time to convince others (since those that would say guilty or not guilty have to convince the other side for the jury to reach a decision, as far as I understand how it works). You and this very thread are the proof it takes effort to convince someone (on either side) no matter the evidence laid down on either side.
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
you can be the instigator and still claim self defense if the other party escalates the situation. see OP.
On July 14 2013 03:26 Kaitlin wrote: Can anybody point to what the prosecution has so much as suggested that George Zimmerman could have done something else to stop the ongoing attack by Trayvon Martin. I could see arguing that he shouldn't have shot him because he had other less lethal alternatives, but they have yet to suggest, let alone prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he had any alternative to stop the attack.
On July 14 2013 03:26 Kaitlin wrote: Can anybody point to what the prosecution has so much as suggested that George Zimmerman could have done something else to stop the ongoing attack by Trayvon Martin. I could see arguing that he shouldn't have shot him because he had other less lethal alternatives, but they have yet to suggest, let alone prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he had any alternative to stop the attack.
flashlight.
Point taken, but did they suggest he had access to it during the fight ? I know it was one of the pieces numbered around the scene, but was it near the fight or near the 'T' ?
On July 14 2013 03:26 Kaitlin wrote: Can anybody point to what the prosecution has so much as suggested that George Zimmerman could have done something else to stop the ongoing attack by Trayvon Martin. I could see arguing that he shouldn't have shot him because he had other less lethal alternatives, but they have yet to suggest, let alone prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that he had any alternative to stop the attack.
flashlight.
Point taken, but did they suggest he had access to it during the fight ? I know it was one of the pieces numbered around the scene, but was it near the fight or near the 'T' ?
i thought he was carrying it when he got out of his car. i could be mistaken though.
lol. as i write this i am reminded of the old white dude expert who laughed at the prosecutor when he suggested it was a weapon. lol.
On July 14 2013 02:39 boredrex wrote: you know, I've been reading people saying Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull his gun from that position. Then I realized that if Trayvon Martin dressed like a thug and had his pants around his knees, Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull his gun. How would have thought that having your pants around your knees could save you!
Actually, if you look at the 7-11 video, you can see how his pants are worn. I noticed that I think it was yesterday. They were down, thug-like.
not mom jeans = "thug-like"
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Is he wearing a "I just voted", or a "I just gave blood to the redcross Sticker"? I guess it could be the Obama logo?
he was 17 so i dont think it was i just voted maybe blood
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
Seems, maybe, perhaps. That's been the argument of the prosecution for the entire trial. An argument that's usually the realm of the defense to instill doubt into the prosecution's case of certainty. When people say 'maybe', aren't you asking the other side to prove it's case?
As far as Zimmerman attacking first, why would he want to get into a melee when he has a gun? Unless you think Zimmerman got into the fight to get his ass handed to him just to use the gun. All the while risk Trayvon taking the gun and using it against him. That's some serious meta.
On July 14 2013 04:28 xDaunt wrote: Well, given the length of deliberations so far, there clearly is at least one juror that wants to convict Zimmerman of something.
But someone died! They can't just let him go free!
On July 14 2013 04:28 xDaunt wrote: Well, given the length of deliberations so far, there clearly is at least one juror that wants to convict Zimmerman of something.
But someone died! They can't just let him go free!
Well, for as much as I have ragged on people in this thread for saying stupid shit, there is no denying that there are jurors and potential jurors out there who agree with that very same stupid shit. You really never know what you're gonna get when random members of the public walk through the door.
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