On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Zimmerman had injuries, Trayvon had none apart from the bullet wound. The evidence is on Zimmerman's side.
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Zimmerman had injuries, Trayvon had none apart from the bullet wound. The evidence is on Zimmerman's side.
Not to mention the only eyewitness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Antelope is all emotion and avoiding looking at any actual evidence.
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
And all the evidence in the case and the witness at the end of the conflict. There is little evidence that Zimmerman started the fight or did anything illegal.
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one
sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote: [quote] sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote: [quote] sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them?
"going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged.
have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter?
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
Just because someone is hitting you doesn't mean it's impossible to reach into your pocket and pull out a gun.
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
Where do I say I think he should be convicted?? There is no evidence, he should walk free. Fact is no one knows what happened besides GZ and TM, too many people here say TM attacked and GZ is victim, while there are many possibilities and GZ's story is quite incredible.
For instance, GZ who says he was in fear, could have gotten spooked by being approached by TM who he did not see at that point, and fight or flight reponse may have kicked in, where he took a swing at TM, who dodged and threw him on the ground.
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
It doesn't matter if Zimmerman was the instigator. Please read the 100000 posts about self defense in this thread.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
It doesn't matter if Zimmerman was the instigator. Please read the 100000 posts about self defense in this thread.
If it doesnt matter why did the defense trying so hard to paint Zimmerman as a victim and show that Trayvon was the agressor? Obviously it matters to the jury otherwise they wouldve just said "well Zimmerman picked on the kid but he started losing the fight and decided to shoot him, whelp self defense"
On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote: [quote] Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
It doesn't matter if Zimmerman was the instigator. Please read the 100000 posts about self defense in this thread.
If it doesnt matter why did the defense trying so hard to paint Zimmerman as a victim and show that Trayvon was the agressor? Obviously it matters to the jury otherwise they wouldve just said "well Zimmerman picked on the kid but he started losing the fight and decided to shoot him, whelp self defense"
Probably to counter the emotional arguments that the prosecution is attempting to elicit. There seems to be more factual evidence on the defense's side, but it could still be a tricky case for the defense if all the sympathy is aimed at TM instead of GZ.
I find it amazing the amount of ill-informed opinions on other websites, especially twitter. There was this one thing about 15 most powerful moments in Mr. Guys last statement, and not one was evidence based, or if it had evidence behind it, was meaningful. http://globalgrind.com/news/john-guys-george-zimmerman-trial-rebuttal-videos-quotes
People are getting riled up about this and want to hang George Zimmerman, but if they want to stop something from this happening again, they need to teach the youth that they need to sort out arguments with words, not with fist fights.
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
What you are not getting is that the extent of Zimmerman's injuries do not matter. How many more punches, head slams or head injuries should Zimmerman have waited to receieve before he shot in self defense? This incident lasted about 45 seconds of one man continuously beating on another. One has injuries and the other doesn't. One eye witness who was right in front of where this happened identified Trayvon as the one on top throwing a beatdown on the guy on the bottom. He also identified Zimmerman was the one calling for help.
There is 0 evidence that GZ started the confrontation let alone the fight or struggle itself. As I said again, the fact that Trayvon had 4 minutes to go or run home and didn't says to me he waited and confronted GZ. There is 0 evidence that GZ continued to follow TM after the operator said he didn't need to follow him and there is 0 evidence that counters what GZ said about going through the T to get an address.
Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
Just because someone is hitting you doesn't mean it's impossible to reach into your pocket and pull out a gun.
If he's sitting on you and hitting you "MMA style" and the gun is on your back right hip (and these are the defense's claims) then things get a little iffier.
Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
Says Zimmerman
Stop being a dumbo. Zimmerman has the injuries to prove he was attacked and beaten up. Trayvon didn't even have a scratch on him to suggest he was attacked and beaten other than a cut on his knuckle that is consistent with punching someone.
Injuries prove he was not winning the confrontation, who attacked is uncertain. The facts are GZ has some minor injuries and at some point near the end Trayvon was on top.
According to GZ, despite being pummeled, grounded and pounded, having his head smacked into the concrete, being smothered on mouth and nose, and being generally overpowered he is somehow quicker to the gun than Trayvon, after Trayvon spotting it and grabbing for it with his 6th hand, who is mysteriously unable to do anything about the weak and powerless GZ shooting him.....
You understand that Zimmerman didn't even need to have ANY injuries in order to shoot and kill TM in self defense right? They had two doctors testify that Zimmerman's injuries were not minor and that he should have been sent to a hospital for x-rays. Zimmerman was attacked for 40-45 seconds before he killed TM in self defense. Trayvon had no injuries consistent with being attacked.
It is obvious who attacked who first. TM had plenty of time to go back home but he decided not to. This tells me he confronted George Zimmerman.
If GZ really wanted to execute or murder TM why would he call the police beforehand and do all what he did.
His injuries only show he was losing the fight which is irrelevant...they were minor and not life threatening by any means. What makes it obvious that TM attacked first besides Zimmerman's word? To me it seems more likely Zimmerman was the instigator due to his proven actions during that night. Thats really the crux of the argument and what will decide his fate...I guess what remains is to see who's side the Jury believes
Head injuries are never minor, by definition. Do you know what a subdural hematoma is? It's when you have bleeding inside of the cranial cavity. It's undetectable other than a small headache right before it kills you. You can get one from taking a small hit to the head.
Also, MOM had a great question he asked one of the state's forensic pathologists that cuts right to the heart of the law. "So the injuries he had now were not life threatening. What about the next injury?"
On July 14 2013 02:20 boredrex wrote: I find it amazing the amount of ill-informed opinions on other websites, especially twitter. There was this one thing about 15 most powerful moments in Mr. Guys last statement, and not one was evidence based, or if it had evidence behind it, was meaningful. http://globalgrind.com/news/john-guys-george-zimmerman-trial-rebuttal-videos-quotes
People are getting riled up about this and want to hang George Zimmerman, but if they want to stop something from this happening again, they need to teach the youth that they need to sort out arguments with words, not with fist fights.
Agreed. I've seen countless Facebook and Twitter posts that basically strawman the case into "A racist man shoots an innocent black kid and might get away with murder!" And then when I ask them if they've been keeping up with the trial, they tend to say "Psh I don't need to!"
EPT
