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On July 14 2013 00:31 dotHead wrote:
Most people don't understand how Law works. They watch a lot of television, are on the social media, and learn what it is through other means than studying Law books, taking tests, going to school etc. I myself don't even fully understand how it works, and don't claim to. A lot of people can't get over the fact that "Since GZ killed someone, and admits it, he is guilty". Using a very simple mind, I can see why people think that way. People want him to be guilty, and punished because he killed a kid, no matter what! If it was my kid that he killed, I don't know if I could feel any different. Even though right now, I think he isn't guilty. Once emotions get involved, you feel differently I guess.
lol actually how law works is a public debate than 6 random people decide who won.
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On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation.
Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
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On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Do you turn around and start fighting every single person who walks behind you? No. Especially when your fucking house is a half a block away. A normal response to someone following you is not to start fighting them. That's for stupid little ignorant kids.
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On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Yeah, thats not really how it works. Stalking and harassment are not the same as following someone. You need to tell them to stop before it becomes either. Zimmerman did nothing illegal
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On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work!
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On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
And what makes you think his side of the story is false? Because the evidence supports the key points of his self-defense claim.
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On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard
Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)".
Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
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On July 14 2013 00:36 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work!
So u follow specific people around in the middle of the night who u think might be up to no good while armed with a gun after being advised not to by a police dispacher? And u do this all the time? Interesting life you lead there friend
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On July 14 2013 00:42 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:36 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work! So u follow specific people around in the middle of the night who u think might be up to no good while armed with a gun after being advised not to by a police dispacher? And u do this all the time? Interesting life you lead there friend
It wouldn't be illegal for me to do those things. It might be stupid, but not illegal.
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On July 14 2013 00:42 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:36 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work! So u follow specific people around in the middle of the night who u think might be up to no good while armed with a gun after being advised not to by a police dispacher? And u do this all the time? Interesting life you lead there friend
Very interesting, but not illegal life he leads...
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On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)". Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to.
In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
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On July 14 2013 00:46 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)". Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to. In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
Of course it is more serious an offense. However, let's be clear. Zimmerman did not lie. His wife lied. He simply did not alert the court that his wife was lying. There is a difference, though perhaps it is only legal. However, it is all irrelevant to the case, as being a "known liar" is not enough to convict someone of murder or manslaughter, or any crime whatsoever.
No one should say that Martin had it coming for past behavior, and no one should say Zimmerman is guilty because of past behavior. Doubting his story is fine, but there is a burden upon the doubter to give a reasonable alternative story. Simply saying: "His version isn't true" is not enough. You must provide a more plausible version than the one he did.
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On July 14 2013 00:46 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:42 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:36 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work! So u follow specific people around in the middle of the night who u think might be up to no good while armed with a gun after being advised not to by a police dispacher? And u do this all the time? Interesting life you lead there friend It wouldn't be illegal for me to do those things. It might be stupid, but not illegal.
No but it speaks to his mindset and motives. We are supposed to believe Zimmerman was some kind of victim which is clearly not the case
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He had hatred in his heart and soul.
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On July 14 2013 00:51 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:46 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 14 2013 00:42 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:36 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Exactly how long was GZ following TM for? I guess I've been "harassing" dozens of people multiple times per day on my way to and from work! So u follow specific people around in the middle of the night who u think might be up to no good while armed with a gun after being advised not to by a police dispacher? And u do this all the time? Interesting life you lead there friend It wouldn't be illegal for me to do those things. It might be stupid, but not illegal. No but it speaks to his mindset and motives. We are supposed to believe Zimmerman was some kind of victim which is clearly not the case
A neighbourhood watchman watching someone? Holy crap! Put that madman away.
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On July 14 2013 00:46 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Everyone who has ever lived beyond the age of 10 years old has told a lie at one point or another, so I suppose we are all "known liar(s)". Interesting point. You would think that the prosecution would have provided an alternative story, as they usually do in criminal cases... it is quite telling that they were both incapable of providing one and unwilling to. In the same way people say Trayvon was asking for it because he smoked weed and got into a little trouble (even tho he was a teenager) Im not supposed to consider Zimmerman's poor character when it comes to his story? By lying Im referring to Zimmerman lying to the court about his finances, thats a bit more serious than a random 10 year old's lie wouldnt u agree?
He wasn't asking for it because he smoked weed. He was asking for it when he pummeled Zimmerman into concrete for 40 seconds while Zimmerman yelled for help.
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A friend of mine in Florida told me they could have already made a verdict because they are delaying the verdicts announcement for 2 hours to allow police to set up proper security or something.
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On July 14 2013 00:36 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 00:35 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote:On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote:On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote:On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote:
Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Who threw the first punch is up for debate...by initiating I mean Zimmerman's stalking/harrassment which is the only thing thats 100% fact. The facts dont favor him in my opinion. Zimmerman's also a known liar and his version of the story's the only one we heard Do you turn around and start fighting every single person who walks behind you? No. Especially when your fucking house is a half a block away. A normal response to someone following you is not to start fighting them. That's for stupid little ignorant kids.
Doesn't that make you wonder what actually happened? If given the limited 'facts' I have seen in this thread, it would be hard to judge whether the true situation is actually being represented in court. You said it yourself, start fighting someone that is following you is not a normal response. In the end I could care less about the outcome, first world problems blahdiblah, but it seems quite certain to me that the actual situation is going to remain a mystery for the public.
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On July 14 2013 01:02 dotHead wrote:
A friend of mine in Florida told me they could have already made a verdict because they are delaying the verdicts announcement for 2 hours to allow police to set up proper security or something.
I wouldn't doubt it. I was supposed to drive to Sanford today, and I've decided to stay here in Orlando. I really hope there are peaceful protests, not violent rioting.
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