EPTShooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 401
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Aloki
France38 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:00 jeremycafe wrote: The fact they didn't come back right away and agree self defense means they are either split are arguing the two charges. Just my opinion, I don't see a not guilty verdict. Either split or guilty is my prediction Be careful speculating based just on time with the jury. There could be many different reasons they didn't come back immediately with a "Not Guilty" including taking their charge seriously, fighting over a verdict, the "OJ Effect", and others. The jury still being out means one thing, the jury is still out. So much of the speculation about what various requests from the jury and time is wrong so many times with these cases. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:34 Aloki wrote: Stupid question : when is the verdict expected ? Is there a defined time for the deliberation or can it last as long as necessary ? Usually how long does it last ? As long as necessary. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one No, that's not self defense. Luckily that isn't at all what happened here or the guilty verdict would be straight forward. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one Well: 1) Do we have evidence that Zimmerman continually harassed Trayvon, or at any point "[ran] up to [him]"? 2) Self-defense has been defined so many times here that it's becoming tiresome. Yes, the aggressor can claim self-defense, even if he has gone against police orders. Imagine this scenario: I am drunk and angry, and I hit someone. They proceed to start beating me down, and I try to disengage and run away. They prevent me from escaping, and continue beating on me. Then they pull out a knife and say they are going to slit my throat. Should I allow them to kill me? In that instance, I would be legally justified in drawing my gun and killing them. I would still be guilty of assault, but would (probably) not be guilty of murder. 3) Do we have any evidence that Zimmerman was the aggressor? (Aggressor as in: he is the one who initiated physical contact) 4) It is not illegal to go against police advise, nor is it illegal to follow someone. Neither of those are crimes and however foolish they may or may not be, should not be treated as "acts of aggression" in of themselves. 5) Don't accuse people who disagree with you of being "wannabe lawyers". | ||
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Juggernaut477
United States379 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one He was not harassing Treyvon, he followed him briefly and there is nothing wrong with that. He initiated nothing, after following him he went back to his truck then was attack. | ||
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TmixX
United States3 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:04 TmixX wrote: sweet mary mother of god I can't believe there are people that actually think like you do. you want to convict someone of manslaughter because he legally followed someone, and "continually harassed" them? "going against police advice"...non-emergency (and emergency. a lot of departments use the same employees for both) 911 dispatchers are not police and have zero authority over anyone, and even if they did, he clearly said "we dont need you to do that", NOT "dont follow him". dispatchers don't need a degree and some you don't even need a full high school diploma, just a ged. have you even watched the trial at all, or are you just coming up with your crap based off of twitter? Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple | ||
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ConGee
318 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote: Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote: Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. There's no evidence that he didn't!!! Guilty until proven innocent, imo. + Show Spoiler + Sad that I have to point out that I am being sarcastic | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:19 sc2superfan101 wrote: Jesus Christ, reading some of those comments on the gawker articles is so horrifying... the contrast between that shithole and this thread cannot be more stark: http://gawker.com/will-george-zimmerman-get-away-with-murder-757850043 I love this quote from the article: "So we get a self-defense case, because self-defense is what a killer claims when no other claim can possibly work." (Yeah, because we all know that self-defense is a myth and never really exists.) I'm just happy that people who are on this thread (generally), be they convinced of guilt or not, actually pay some kind of attention... rather than just make shit up willy-nilly and accuse everyone who thinks Zimmerman isn't guilty of being a racist. You should try going to Huffington Post and The Young Turks on Youtube about this. The bias they both have is disgusting. | ||
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Juggernaut477
United States379 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:13 antelope591 wrote: Nah I wanna convict someone of manslaughter because he killed someone...Trayvon's still dead last time I checked? The fact is that Zimmerman killed Trayvon this is undisputable. Based on Zimmerman's actions and the fact that he was the initiator I dont believe his killing was justified in the least...therefore I think he deserved the manslaughter charge. Pretty simple Trayvon initiated the fight. Zimmerman walked back to his car then was attacked. If I say hello to someone and they get spooked and try to beat me to death is it my fault for being the initiator? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:52 antelope591 wrote: Funny to see how everyone on here seems to be a lawyer...personally I think Zimmerman deserves the manslaughter charge. Hes the one who initiated everything....if I run up to someone and continually harrass them then I start fighting them and decide to pull out a gun and kill them thats self defense? How can the agressor claim self defense especially after going against police advice and continuing to follow TM around? Ill let the wannabe lawyers on here handle that one you don't need to be a lawyer to decide if the man is guilty (juries would have been made of all lawyers if that was the case). Whether it will be a quilified oppinion is irrelevant. P.S. there the perceived quality of the posts in this thread goes. | ||
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DrSeRRoD
United States490 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:15 ConGee wrote: Once again, what proof do you have that Zimmerman started the confrontation. Use your heart. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
I don't have any evidence. Just use common sense. | ||
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TmixX
United States3 Posts
On July 14 2013 00:24 SnipedSoul wrote: I don't have any evidence. Just use common sense. think about it, you decide | ||
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dotHead
United States233 Posts
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