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On July 14 2013 06:43 Zenocide wrote:
Its pretty clear to me that Trayvon WANTED the confrontation. First off George Zimmerman walked to the "T" part of the sidewalk, and there was no Trayvon. He walk a bit more foward, then turned around to go back to his car. When he got back to the "T", that's where the fight happened. Now why in the world is Trayvon back at the "T" if he wasn't there the first time Zimmerman walked to there? He had what, 4 minutes to run away?
When listening to the Non emerg call and his walk through it's clear that is not at all what happened.
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On July 14 2013 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 06:43 Zenocide wrote:
Its pretty clear to me that Trayvon WANTED the confrontation. First off George Zimmerman walked to the "T" part of the sidewalk, and there was no Trayvon. He walk a bit more foward, then turned around to go back to his car. When he got back to the "T", that's where the fight happened. Now why in the world is Trayvon back at the "T" if he wasn't there the first time Zimmerman walked to there? He had what, 4 minutes to run away? When listening to the Non emerg call and his walk through it's clear that is not at all what happened.
He walked past the "T", no Trayvon, he walked down to the street, turned back around. The fight took place at the "T" did it not? What did Trayvon do for those 4 minutes that he was supposedly running according to his girlfriend?
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On July 14 2013 06:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
If GZ is found not guilty I expect "justifiable" homicides in Florida to rise significantly.
It will be totally legal for you to follow someone to their home convince them to hit you or hit them if no one is looking. start losing the fight (or in many peoples eyes here just get punched back) then it is reasonable to shoot the person you were fighting. Or better yet just shoot the guy for punching you in the first place since it's been hammered home that a small bump to the head is potentially life threatening.
So according to many people here if someone starts a fight it is totally justified for either party of a fight to shoot the other one.
So with the idea that someone can punch you then you punch them back they fear for their life and they shoot you, the only sensible thing is not to fight back but shoot anyone who punches you before they shoot you for punching them.
Besides the fact that many people have maintained it doesn't matter who actually started the fight, there is no reason GZ's accounts should be taken seriously. He clearly has left out the actual facts leading up to the fight in every presentation so what actually happened in those moments is most definitely incriminating to GZ otherwise there would be no reason to lie about it and leave it out.
i highly doubt this trial will have any effect on future criminal activities. you sound really bitter. i guess you finally have come to realize there is a good chance zimmerman is going to get off.
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Jury question. Time to see where they're at.
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On July 14 2013 06:52 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 06:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
If GZ is found not guilty I expect "justifiable" homicides in Florida to rise significantly.
It will be totally legal for you to follow someone to their home convince them to hit you or hit them if no one is looking. start losing the fight (or in many peoples eyes here just get punched back) then it is reasonable to shoot the person you were fighting. Or better yet just shoot the guy for punching you in the first place since it's been hammered home that a small bump to the head is potentially life threatening.
So according to many people here if someone starts a fight it is totally justified for either party of a fight to shoot the other one.
So with the idea that someone can punch you then you punch them back they fear for their life and they shoot you, the only sensible thing is not to fight back but shoot anyone who punches you before they shoot you for punching them.
Besides the fact that many people have maintained it doesn't matter who actually started the fight, there is no reason GZ's accounts should be taken seriously. He clearly has left out the actual facts leading up to the fight in every presentation so what actually happened in those moments is most definitely incriminating to GZ otherwise there would be no reason to lie about it and leave it out. i highly doubt this trial will have any effect on future criminal activities. you sound really bitter. i guess you finally have come to realize there is a good chance zimmerman is going to get off.
Got to love when evidence gets the emotionally charged all mad.
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On July 14 2013 06:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
If GZ is found not guilty I expect "justifiable" homicides in Florida to rise significantly.
It will be totally legal for you to follow someone to their home convince them to hit you or hit them if no one is looking. start losing the fight (or in many peoples eyes here just get punched back) then it is reasonable to shoot the person you were fighting. Or better yet just shoot the guy for punching you in the first place since it's been hammered home that a small bump to the head is potentially life threatening.
So according to many people here if someone starts a fight it is totally justified for either party of a fight to shoot the other one.
So with the idea that someone can punch you then you punch them back they fear for their life and they shoot you, the only sensible thing is not to fight back but shoot anyone who punches you before they shoot you for punching them.
Besides the fact that many people have maintained it doesn't matter who actually started the fight, there is no reason GZ's accounts should be taken seriously. He clearly has left out the actual facts leading up to the fight in every presentation so what actually happened in those moments is most definitely incriminating to GZ otherwise there would be no reason to lie about it and leave it out.
I hope you don't overexaggerate everything this much.
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On July 14 2013 06:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
If GZ is found not guilty I expect "justifiable" homicides in Florida to rise significantly.
It will be totally legal for you to follow someone to their home convince them to hit you or hit them if no one is looking. start losing the fight (or in many peoples eyes here just get punched back) then it is reasonable to shoot the person you were fighting. Or better yet just shoot the guy for punching you in the first place since it's been hammered home that a small bump to the head is potentially life threatening.
So according to many people here if someone starts a fight it is totally justified for either party of a fight to shoot the other one.
So with the idea that someone can punch you then you punch them back they fear for their life and they shoot you, the only sensible thing is not to fight back but shoot anyone who punches you before they shoot you for punching them.
Besides the fact that many people have maintained it doesn't matter who actually started the fight, there is no reason GZ's accounts should be taken seriously. He clearly has left out the actual facts leading up to the fight in every presentation so what actually happened in those moments is most definitely incriminating to GZ otherwise there would be no reason to lie about it and leave it out.
Someone arrest this guy, he's clearly thinking along these lines.
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Don't misunderstand what a retrial is. It's a re-presentation of the evidence to the jury. It doesn't mean the pre-trial decisions, such as which evidence is to be admitted will be revisited.
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On July 14 2013 06:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
If GZ is found not guilty I expect "justifiable" homicides in Florida to rise significantly.
It will be totally legal for you to follow someone to their home convince them to hit you or hit them if no one is looking. start losing the fight (or in many peoples eyes here just get punched back) then it is reasonable to shoot the person you were fighting. Or better yet just shoot the guy for punching you in the first place since it's been hammered home that a small bump to the head is potentially life threatening.
So according to many people here if someone starts a fight it is totally justified for either party of a fight to shoot the other one.
So with the idea that someone can punch you then you punch them back they fear for their life and they shoot you, the only sensible thing is not to fight back but shoot anyone who punches you before they shoot you for punching them.
Besides the fact that many people have maintained it doesn't matter who actually started the fight, there is no reason GZ's accounts should be taken seriously. He clearly has left out the actual facts leading up to the fight in every presentation so what actually happened in those moments is most definitely incriminating to GZ otherwise there would be no reason to lie about it and leave it out.
if someone is doing something illegal which results in his being attacked, and he kills the person, he will most likely go to prison. if he is doing something LEGAL and someone attacks him, what do you suggest? that the person should just get his ass beat? he should have to wait until he is seriously injured before he stops the attacker? he should wait until death is eminent? how, in the heat of the moment, is he supposed to know that his death will 100% occur if he doesn't shoot the person right now? how is he supposed to know when his injuries have become serious while is adrenaline levels are going through the roof? should the law abiding citizen live in fear of the criminals? should we have to let them beat us and do nothing about it? no. the fact is that self defense laws will be abused and that is sad. I NEED to have the right to defend myself with deadly force. i shouldn't be expected to have a cool logical head when im being attacked. i should be able to follow someone who is acting suspicious in my neighborhood, and if that person attacks me and if i feel my life is in danger, i need to have the right to use deadly force to stop him. if Trayvon Martin was not a criminal, if he was not a fucking punk or an asshole, when he saw Zimmerman following him, he would have run away and called the police. Zimmerman's suspicions were reasonable, his actions leading up to the event were reasonable, and there is not a single shred of evidence that he did not act in self defense. there are so many reasonable doubts in this situation that to convict him of any crime is a travesty.
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oh shit, they want clarifications on the instructions regarding manslaughter.
zimmerman is fucked.
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ruh roh they need instructions on manslaughter.... that doesn't bode well
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what is this jury doing ... ?!
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On July 14 2013 06:58 clipzu wrote:
what is this jury doing ... ?!
deliberating.
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I take that as they want to convict him of manslaughter but they arent sure if they are allowed to...
Does not look good imo!
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zimmerman looks scared as shit.
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I'm going to be sick to my stomach if he gets manslaughter.
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On July 14 2013 06:57 boredrex wrote:
ruh roh they need instructions on manslaughter.... that doesn't bode well
I guess it does matter who starts it....
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On July 14 2013 06:40 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 06:27 Tennoji wrote:
I was thinking it would be interesting to hear about previous calls GZ made to the police (emergency or non-emergency line), so we can hear if he used similar "tactics" and expressions those times.
If he said things like "these assholes always get away" all the time and never got into a fight with someone he thought was suspicious, it would indicate he was not looking for a fight. The thing is non of this is really important to the case other then as a back drop. It doesnt matter if Zimmerman started the fight. So long as he was fearing for his life at the moment he shot Trayvon he is legally in his right. Since the only reliable witness saw Trayvon on top hitting Zimmerman and refusing to stop when called out plus the wounds on Zimmermans head plus the gun forensics it all matches as a case of legitimate self defense.
I agree, but it would debunk the message of the people saying Zimmerman had those intentions, it would rule out any race-related "rage".
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On July 14 2013 07:00 Gunther wrote:
I'm going to be sick to my stomach if he gets manslaughter.
same, this is gonna be disgusting
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