[/QUOTE] Another thing I noticed in that video was they said there wasn't any blood around his nose from a broken nose. It made me realise there wasn't actually any blood on him as far as I could see. He has a light t-shirt on which blood stains would be fairly obvious. I would have thought if Trayvon was on top of him when he was shot there would be at least some blood on his clothes I imagine gun shot wounds are reasonably messy but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Bloody noses dont always bleed, the same goes with gunshot wounds. As a hunter many times have i shot a deer and not one drop of blood was found. Gunshot wounds can be weird it all depends on the impact and the internal organs.
On March 30 2012 06:50 BrownBagin wrote: Bloody noses dont always bleed, the same goes with gunshot wounds. As a hunter many times have i shot a deer and not one drop of blood was found. Gunshot wounds can be weird it all depends on the impact and the internal organs.
What bullets do you normally use for hunting? I imagine the bullet fired from Zimmerman's gun was a hollow point which tends to do more damage to soft tissue. Also seeing as Trayvon died from a single shot I would guess it did some reasonably severe organ damage which makes it messier.
On March 30 2012 06:50 BrownBagin wrote: Bloody noses dont always bleed, the same goes with gunshot wounds. As a hunter many times have i shot a deer and not one drop of blood was found. Gunshot wounds can be weird it all depends on the impact and the internal organs.
What bullets do you normally use for hunting? I imagine the bullet fired from Zimmerman's gun was a hollow point which tends to do more damage to soft tissue. Also seeing as Trayvon died from a single shot I would guess it did some reasonably severe organ damage which makes it messier.
I use a .270 to a 30-06 which both of those are way bigger rounds than a pistol. Ive also seen a show of Cops on TV where they actually showed a guy that was shot by another person and his bullet wound had no blood on the outside and it was a through and through. Like i said gunshot wounds are weird, Trayvon could have bleed internally we dont know anything about it. But i dont find it weird that he had no blood on him because we dont know exactly how the shooting went and if Trayvon bleed out at all.
On March 30 2012 06:50 BrownBagin wrote: Bloody noses dont always bleed, the same goes with gunshot wounds. As a hunter many times have i shot a deer and not one drop of blood was found. Gunshot wounds can be weird it all depends on the impact and the internal organs.
What bullets do you normally use for hunting? I imagine the bullet fired from Zimmerman's gun was a hollow point which tends to do more damage to soft tissue. Also seeing as Trayvon died from a single shot I would guess it did some reasonably severe organ damage which makes it messier.
I use a .270 to a 30-06 which both of those are way bigger rounds than a pistol. Ive also seen a show of Cops on TV where they actually showed a guy that was shot by another person and his bullet wound had no blood on the outside and it was a through and through. Like i said gunshot wounds are weird, Trayvon could have bleed internally we dont know anything about it. But i dont find it weird that he had no blood on him because we dont know exactly how the shooting went and if Trayvon bleed out at all.
Yeah it's really something I had no idea about, hence my curiousness. Thank you for the informative answers.
A slide titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," features an exchange between Trayvon and a friend about getting high. Another slide, "Trayvon Martin was a Drug Dealer" features Facebook messages and photos that supposedly prove Martin dealt drugs, including a picture of Martin posing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand." It's impossible to verify the hacked messages' authenticity—like other anti-Trayvon Martin propaganda, they're probably a mix of real and fake content— but they are now being passed around as gospel among the racist underbelly of the internet, including message boards like the neo-Nazi hive Stormfront, which Klanklannon apparently frequents.
But Klanklannon included none of Martin's emails in his leak, because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college. A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."
On March 30 2012 06:35 Nothingtosay wrote: I really do have to contest your update of the OP with the pictures from the video. I saw the same video from a different source.
The young turks are clearly on the side of the Martin family that being said;
if you watch their version of the video you do not see anything that resembles a gash in Zimmerman's head. I even took two screenshot of their version
The Images in the OP to which I referring to are spoilered
Clearly one of our sources has manipulated the footage. Seeing as TYT has a reputation for being honest and they have provided a whole video not merely still images which are much easier to doctor I am going to have to take their side. The source in the OP also states that they "enhanced" the second image to make what they say "May be a gash" more visible.
At this point the we can be sure that someone is distorting the facts.
Pause at 1:56 of TYT's video. Clear gash. It isn't even hard to see, the media, especially left wing media, are just desperately looking for what they want to see. They should all be embarrassed, along with everyone who believes their narrative uncritically.
I've yet to take sides or post in this thread, but I feel there may be something fishy going on. As someone who has had a gash on the back of his head (basketball injury, required 4 staples to close), the wound causes blood to literally go everywhere. There was blood down my face, blood down the back of my head. I was cleaned but before I went to the emergency room and afterwards. There was still blood on my shirt and under my hair and down my face. He looks completely clean.
I've been in a fight where I had 2 (1cm, 2 cm) gashes open up on the side of my face. The police came and took pictures etc. I was cleaned up by paramedics and yet I had blood on my shirt and literally everywhere. I also had to visit the hospital to get my gashes skin-glued together. This guy just looks way too clean.
My point is that any type of facial/cranial injury, in his case, gash to the back of the head and a broken nose would leave blood everywhere. From what I can tell this guy didn't even check into a hospital. His clothes are also completely clean.
What gives? Were the injuries simply not as severe as they've been stating? Were there injuries at all?
Again I'm not trying to draw conclusions and I will wait until further evidence comes out, but the video is quite fishy.
The young turks are clearly on the side of the Martin family that being said;
if you watch their version of the video you do not see anything that resembles a gash in Zimmerman's head. I even took two screenshot of their version
The Images in the OP to which I referring to are spoilered
Clearly one of our sources has manipulated the footage. Seeing as TYT has a reputation for being honest and they have provided a whole video not merely still images which are much easier to doctor I am going to have to take their side. The source in the OP also states that they "enhanced" the second image to make what they say "May be a gash" more visible.
At this point the we can be sure that someone is distorting the facts.
Pause at 1:56 of TYT's video. Clear gash. It isn't even hard to see, the media, especially left wing media, are just desperately looking for what they want to see. They should all be embarrassed, along with everyone who believes their narrative uncritically.
you are watching a different video then. There is nothing. Also you cant dispute the things the reporters say should exist yet dont.
On March 30 2012 06:50 BrownBagin wrote:
Bloody noses dont always bleed, the same goes with gunshot wounds. As a hunter many times have i shot a deer and not one drop of blood was found. Gunshot wounds can be weird it all depends on the impact and the internal organs.
a bloody nose, by definition bleeds. Thats why they're called "bloody noses".
The young turks are clearly on the side of the Martin family that being said;
if you watch their version of the video you do not see anything that resembles a gash in Zimmerman's head. I even took two screenshot of their version
The Images in the OP to which I referring to are spoilered
Clearly one of our sources has manipulated the footage. Seeing as TYT has a reputation for being honest and they have provided a whole video not merely still images which are much easier to doctor I am going to have to take their side. The source in the OP also states that they "enhanced" the second image to make what they say "May be a gash" more visible.
At this point the we can be sure that someone is distorting the facts.
Pause at 1:56 of TYT's video. Clear gash. It isn't even hard to see, the media, especially left wing media, are just desperately looking for what they want to see. They should all be embarrassed, along with everyone who believes their narrative uncritically.
you are watching a different video then. There is nothing. Also you cant dispute the things the reporters say should exist yet dont.
The young turks are clearly on the side of the Martin family that being said;
if you watch their version of the video you do not see anything that resembles a gash in Zimmerman's head. I even took two screenshot of their version
The Images in the OP to which I referring to are spoilered
Clearly one of our sources has manipulated the footage. Seeing as TYT has a reputation for being honest and they have provided a whole video not merely still images which are much easier to doctor I am going to have to take their side. The source in the OP also states that they "enhanced" the second image to make what they say "May be a gash" more visible.
At this point the we can be sure that someone is distorting the facts.
Pause at 1:56 of TYT's video. Clear gash. It isn't even hard to see, the media, especially left wing media, are just desperately looking for what they want to see. They should all be embarrassed, along with everyone who believes their narrative uncritically.
you are watching a different video then. There is nothing. Also you cant dispute the things the reporters say should exist yet dont.
bad gateway. if its really a pic, someone should be able to create a post with the button for inserting pictures directly into the thread from the address.
On March 30 2012 09:41 Spieltor wrote: bad gateway. if its really a pic, someone should be able to create a post with the button for inserting pictures directly into the thread from the address.
Otherwise its inadmissible.
Person above already spoilered.
It's visible. Not conclusive for me, but it's there. And I saw it in the video too.
I still want to know the answer to what I asked before though.
On March 30 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote: I'm confused by one other thing, and I wholly apologize if I missed this in the thread.
I remember in the original thread that a short time-line based on the call times and lengths was created. The time in between Trayvon Martin's last call and the time before the police arrived to find Trayvon Martin shot was very short, if I remember correctly. I am trying to track down that information, but if someone has that information on hand I would appreciate if you can post it.
The current OP states that the phone records has Trayvon Martin on the phone when the incident/attack occurs.
Disregarding the girlfriend's hearsay, who on earth remains on the phonecall with the girlfriend when he is planning to attack someone right at that moment?
Zimmerman claimed self-defense, telling police he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on, when Martin attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck. He said he fired the semiautomatic handgun because he feared for his life.
I do not understand how Trayvon Martin was on the phone, and proceeds to attack Mr. Zimmerman from behind (as though unawares)?
I see the gash, and I heard that based on the trajectory of the guan shot it matchs up with him shooting the guy while he was ontop of him. At this moment I see it as self defence.
Side note: I see people overreacting to this issue, as evident by some members of congress's action and the raid at the wallgreens in Florida. People need to get their acts together and let the court systemt make the final judgement.
On March 30 2012 09:41 Spieltor wrote: bad gateway. if its really a pic, someone should be able to create a post with the button for inserting pictures directly into the thread from the address.
Otherwise its inadmissible.
Person above already spoilered.
It's visible. Not conclusive for me, but it's there. And I saw it in the video too.
I still want to know the answer to what I asked before though.
On March 30 2012 06:26 JinDesu wrote: I'm confused by one other thing, and I wholly apologize if I missed this in the thread.
I remember in the original thread that a short time-line based on the call times and lengths was created. The time in between Trayvon Martin's last call and the time before the police arrived to find Trayvon Martin shot was very short, if I remember correctly. I am trying to track down that information, but if someone has that information on hand I would appreciate if you can post it.
The current OP states that the phone records has Trayvon Martin on the phone when the incident/attack occurs.
Disregarding the girlfriend's hearsay, who on earth remains on the phonecall with the girlfriend when he is planning to attack someone right at that moment?
Zimmerman claimed self-defense, telling police he had stepped out of his truck to check the name of the street he was on, when Martin attacked him from behind as he walked back to his truck. He said he fired the semiautomatic handgun because he feared for his life.
I do not understand how Trayvon Martin was on the phone, and proceeds to attack Mr. Zimmerman from behind (as though unawares)?
i remember reading another poster say that the timeline was about one minute between when the call with his girlfriend ended, and the police arrived. i have never tried to figure that out myself though.
the family has referred to the girlfriend's testimony as contradicting zimmerman's account of what happened. whether the girlfriend's story is true is one of many issues that have yet to be determined. also, you will need to reconcile it with other witness testimony, including "John" and "Austin" who claim to have seen a portion of the fight.
i have also seen numerous statements as to what zimmerman told the police, so thats another issue yet to be determined.
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