EPTShooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 21
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
The leading cause of death for black male teenagers is homicide, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Of all the black homicide victims, about 93% are killed by other black people. In 2011, nearly 85% of all people murdered in Philadelphia were black. Where are the marches and protests for these victims? Is it justice people seek or are they looking and even hoping for signs of white racism so they can exploit it? I hate statements like these. They're irrelevant. A) Trayvon's circumstance is unique because justice -- not even an arrest --- has NOT been served. And let's cut the bullshit -- If Zimmerman was a Black man that shot and killed another Black man, I'm going to assume he would NOT be given the benefit of the doubt and would have arrested almost on the spot. B) There ARE marches and protests. There's tons of independent non-profits organization that are trying to stop violence and crime in their minority communities. It's just that the media doesn't give a shit because no White people are involved. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:55 BlackJack wrote: Roseanne Barr tweeted the address of Zimmerman's parents. She's another celebritiy that all too often offers her opinion despite her intellectual shortcomings. She removed the tweet but said she reserves the right to re-tweet it if she feels it to be necessary. I like Spike Lee's movies and I liked Roseanne's sitcom. Unfortunately they're both ego-centric, sophistic morons. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
It could do something like this: -WTF is Your problem man, why are You fallowing me? Zimmerman is pulling his gun out of his jacket or whatever. Trayvon sees it, jumps on him trying to take disable him, they strugle, Trayvon hits Zimmerman few times (hence the injuries), then Zimmerman finaly manges to grab his gun and shots him dead. The point is, even if Zimmerman had some injuries inflicted by Trayvon, that doesnt man he is innocent, Trayvon felt threatend being fallowed by some armed stranger, he had the right to defend himself. He did (injuring Zimmerman in the process) but that wasnt enough. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Just imagine similiar situation, young unarmed man is walking home after shoping, he is fallowed by some random guy, the guy closes on him, is hostile towadrs him, starts to pull out his gun. Now does this Yound unarmed man has the right to defend himself? He sure do, running is better options probably, but he can defend himself, thats what Trayvon did. He standed his ground, was shot dead for it. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:32 Defacer wrote: I like Spike Lee's movies and I liked Roseanne's sitcom. Unfortunately they're both ego-centric, sophistic morons. Spike Lee came to speak at my university last semester. In all honestly, he was a twit. All he did was ramble about how "the man" has it out for black people, and how he had Oprah on speed dial. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:55 BlackJack wrote: Roseanne Barr tweeted the address of Zimmerman's parents. She's another celebritiy that all too often offers her opinion despite her intellectual shortcomings. She removed the tweet but said she reserves the right to re-tweet it if she feels it to be necessary. Spike Lee apparently apologized to the elderly couple whose address he tweeted (their son is named something George Zimmerman), and he paid them an undisclosed amount to settle any claims. | ||
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Diomedes7
67 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:55 BlackJack wrote: Roseanne Barr tweeted the address of Zimmerman's parents. She's another celebritiy that all too often offers her opinion despite her intellectual shortcomings. She removed the tweet but said she reserves the right to re-tweet it if she feels it to be necessary. I am befuddled. What kind of logic do celebrities use to justify actions like this? Does not being a racist gives you the right to hurt other people? | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:40 dAPhREAk wrote: Spike Lee apparently apologized to the elderly couple whose address he tweeted (their son is named something George Zimmerman), and he paid them an undisclosed amount to settle any claims. That's irrelevant to my opinion of him because what he did wrong isn't that he sent a lynch mob to the wrong house, it's that he sent a lynch mob to any house. It's like he's saying "my bad I had the wrong house" when he should be saying "my bad, I'm a damn fool." | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:47 BlackJack wrote: That's irrelevant to my opinion of him because what he did wrong isn't that he sent a lynch mob to the wrong house, it's that he sent a lynch mob to any house. It's like he's saying "my bad I had the wrong house" when he should be saying "my bad, I'm a damn fool." 110% in agreement with you; he is an irresponsible dipshit. I was just trying to give an update on the facts for people who haven't been following the news. =) | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:43 DannyJ wrote: The idea that Roseanne is alive and has a twitter account has me taken aback. Well then your head might explode when you learn she is running for President | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
Why is it that these people never speak up against real racism against white people while in this case racism most likely didn't even have anything to do with it? It's scary to see the whole mob mentality quickly spread like a wild fire, it really scares me. Also before you call me racist ( which will happen) I do have black friends but guess what? None of them are like this trayvon guy. They don't sell drugs, they don't rob people, they don't assault innocent people. No matter if this guy was shot legitimately or not he was a bad apple and I doubt anyone can argue against that User was warned for this post | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:35 Nothingtosay wrote: I really do have to contest your update of the OP with the pictures from the video. I saw the same video from a different source. I'm pretty darn shocked this video was released, I have to wonder what's going through the head of the Florida special procecuter. If they decide to charge Zimmerman with something, how the hell can anyone gaurentee this guy a fair trial at this point? This video would be a key piece of evidence in any court case, and now virually the entire country has scene it with talking news heads telling them what to think about it. Seriously, how would you find any potential jurors in Florida who don't already have an opinion about this guy's guilt or innocence?? What a mess. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:39 ticklishmusic wrote: Spike Lee came to speak at my university last semester. In all honestly, he was a twit. All he did was ramble about how "the man" has it out for black people, and how he had Oprah on speed dial. They were talented artists when they were younger, but at some point their ego-bubbles got bigger and their brain stopped maturing. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
some excerpts (I bolded a portion): Robert Zimmerman detailed his son's account of the night, claiming Martin beat his son for over a minute and told him something along the lines of, "You're going to die tonight." ... Robert Zimmerman claims his son was going to the store when he spotted Martin walking through his neighborhood. George Zimmerman, he said, found it odd the teen was walking in between the town homes on a rainy night, rather than on the street or on the sidewalk. Police told George Zimmerman not to follow Martin, and asked him where he was. However, because he was behind the town homes he could not see the nearest address. This is why, Robert Zimmerman claims, his son decided to keep following Martin, so he could obtain an address to give to police. "(George Zimmerman) went to the next street, realized where he was and was walking to his vehicle," Robert Zimmerman said. "It's my understanding, at that point, Trayvon Martin walked up to him and asked him, 'Do you have a [expletive] problem?' " Robert Zimmerman says his son told Martin he did not have a problem, and reached for his cellphone. Then, Robert Zimmerman claims, Martin punched George Zimmerman in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground. "Trayvon Martin got on top of him, and just started beating him," Robert Zimmerman claims. "In his face, on his nose, hitting his face on the concrete." "After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, in the grass. In doing so, his firearm was shown. Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of, 'You're going to die now,' or 'You're going to die tonight' or something to that effect," Robert Zimmerman said. Robert Zimmerman said Martin continued to beat his son, and George Zimmerman at some point pulled out his gun and "did what he did." Robert Zimmerman also responded to the 911 tape audio that has been widely publicized in the case, in which someone can be heard screaming for help. Martin's family claims it was their son screaming on the tape, and the fact that the screaming stopped after a gunshot is heard proves it. "All of our family, everyone who knows George, knows absolutely that is George screaming," Robert Zimmerman said. "There's no doubt in anyone's mind." .... Robert Zimmerman said his son, who is reportedly in hiding, had a broken nose and injuries to his head after the incident. ... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/ | ||
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Biglarry
United States9 Posts
zimmerman was a 28 year old man with a gun pursuing a 17 year old minor who was a couple blocks from home. the police dispatcher told zimmerman to step down and he did not. zimmerman is 200 plus pounds trayvon weighed no more than 160 so is zimmerman that bad in a fight that he let the kid take him down and pummelhis head into the ground i think not. trayvon was suspended from school for possesion of an empty marijuana bag. zimmerman has been arrested for assaulting a police officer and for domestic violence,his ex says that he told the police the same story she attacked him and he defended himself which she denies so lets let this thing play out and stop comparing it to the duke case because the only thing they have in common is being sensationolized in the media thats it. | ||
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QuXn
Germany71 Posts
well according to the video, there is definatly a head wound! ![[image loading]](http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Zimmerman-ABC-video-enhanced-caption.jpg) | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:31 Defacer wrote: I hate statements like these. They're irrelevant. A) Trayvon's circumstance is unique because justice -- not even an arrest --- has NOT been served. You are implicitly saying that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. What makes you so sure that this is the case? With what little we know of the case so far, it's perfectly possible that what Zimmerman did was completely within the scope of the law, in which case justice would be served, precisely, by NOT arresting him. On March 31 2012 03:16 Biglarry wrote: i agree with all the people saying we should wait until all the facts come out but these are the facts that matter to me: zimmerman was a 28 year old man with a gun pursuing a 17 year old minor who was a couple blocks from home. the police dispatcher told zimmerman to step down and he did not. zimmerman is 200 plus pounds trayvon weighed no more than 160 so is zimmerman that bad in a fight that he let the kid take him down and pummelhis head into the ground i think not. trayvon was suspended from school for possesion of an empty marijuana bag. zimmerman has been arrested for assaulting a police officer and for domestic violence,his ex says that he told the police the same story she attacked him and he defended himself which she denies so lets let this thing play out and stop comparing it to the duke case because the only thing they have in common is being sensationolized in the media thats it. You want an accurate representaion of facts? Fine. The typical pic you see of Zimmerman is a mugshot, whereas the typical pic you see of Martin is 5 years old. Look at more recent pictures, and you could see Martin beating Zimmerman in a fight, especially if he attacks by surprise and has the other guy pinned to the ground like Zimmerman claims it happened: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://jimgoad.net/images/trayvonzimmerman.jpg) Minor or not, Martin was huge at 6'2 and there was no way Zimmerman could have known that he did not have a weapon. From hacked facebook messages you clearly get the impression that Martin did drugs and probably sold drugs as well; this is on top of having been suspended three times from school in the past few months, having punched a bus driver and supposedly having stolen women's jewelry. I'm not saying that Martin was at fault or that he knocked Zimmerman to the ground and bashed his head against the concrete; I'm saying that he could have, being both physically and psychologically capable of such a thing- especially if he was on drugs, as Zimmerman thought he was when he first saw him. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:14 dAPhREAk wrote: "After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, in the grass. In doing so, his firearm was shown. Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of, 'You're going to die now,' or 'You're going to die tonight' or something to that effect," Robert Zimmerman said. ... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-father-claims-trayvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/[/QUOTE] Both Zimmerman's father and Trayvon's father (via his girlfriend) account's are heresay right now. Zimmerman's father's account is even more problematic since people can argue Zimmerman has had three weeks to craft his version of the events. I'm really interested in Zimmerman's interviews with the police shortly after the confrontation. This isn't available yet -- is it? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:57 Zato-1 wrote: You are implicitly saying that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. What makes you so sure that this is the case? With what little we know of the case so far, it's perfectly possible that what Zimmerman did was completely within the scope of the law, in which case justice would be served, precisely, by NOT arresting him. That was not my intent. I think people are outraged because there is a perceived -- and possibly valid -- double-standard in how this case was handled by the Sanford police. Obviously, a lot of people are unfamiliar with the self-dense laws in Florida -- but that does nothing to placate people. If anything, that enrages them more. They think to themselves, "How can following a stranger with almost no cause, resulting a confrontation that results in death -- one that could have been easily avoided -- be fair or legal? Why does this citizen have seemingly more leeway and freedom to shoot someone than a police officer?" I apologize if my point inferred Zimmerman was automatically guilty. I'm merely addressing the question of why people are outraged, while meanwhile Black people are murdered by Black people every day. The answer is simple: plenty of people are often outraged by that as well, but because of double-standards in media and society, no one cares. That, and people can't help but speculate and fear that if Zimmerman was Black, or Trayvon was White, the case would be handled differently. | ||
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