If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting hap…

On March 16 2019 02:18 Cricketer12 wrote:
I woke up at 4 am, checked cricinfo.com and saw a headline for the shooting. I go back to sleep, wake up a few hours later and see it being posted about by everyone. All I could think was "wait this is newsworthy"? "People are shocked by this, surprised that it happened"? Radicalization isnt happening on the fringes, the instigators are as mainstream as they come. When so many government members around the world spew hate and bigotry, what else can be expected of our citizens? Muslims, don't take this as an opportunity to invite pity, recognize what is happening and what we are doing wrong and fix it.

On March 16 2019 02:29 Excludos wrote:


This one's especially newsworthy because it didn't happen in America..as royally sad as that sentence was to type out.

On March 15 2019 22:30 Nebuchad wrote:
People have ignored and will ignore Youtube for way longer than they should.

All of these dudes are radicalized on Youtube, by the Ben Shapiros, the Lauren Southerns, the Stefan Molyneux. Lauren Southern used this day to remind everyone that she is the worst sort of garbage and say that when the left attacks her after Christchurch, it's exactly the same as when people attack all muslims after a muslim terrorist attack, and it's therefore a bad thing. It's unbelievable how bad these people are, like, I almost legitimately can't believe it.

On March 16 2019 04:52 farvacola wrote:
Gun laws in NZ are not anywhere close to “draconian,” they contrast significantly with the stricter rules of Australia.

On March 16 2019 06:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Those assault rifles are designed for military combat. Their purpose is to maximize lethal capability against humans. It's just nuts to think they should be owned by private citizens.

On March 16 2019 03:40 JimmiC wrote:


Thank you, that makes it much clearer. I agree with you and wish more people had this attitude. To often people want to place blame on others instead of looking what they can do to make things better. This doesn't mean that others are not at fault or also also at fault, it is just that you are not in control of them but you are of yourself. So you can enact way more change by doing something different rather then hoping or telling others to do something different.

On March 16 2019 03:10 Cricketer12 wrote:

Sure. First let me clarify that I include myself in all of this. We have two things we need to work on political and social engagement. Muslims need to be active in their neighborhoods and communities. Show everyone how normal we are. How many Americans still don't know anyone in their life who is Muslim. People fear what they dont know. Invite your neighbor over for dinner etc. Reflect on why the West views us so negatively and figure out how to change that mentality. I'm not saying 70 people got shot because of our faults, but I am saying people will continue to get hurt until we do our part.

Believe me when I say many Muslims have done loads in this regard, but there are many who do nothing and overall clearly we need to do more.

On March 16 2019 04:59 Anc13nt wrote:


I remember Molyneux made a tweet wearing a crusader helmet a few days ago. I hope he and is ilk are ashamed of themselves.

On March 16 2019 07:57 Excludos wrote:


And sports. I'm completely fine with these types of guns being sold to people who compete with them. But they should require active membership of a gun club at the very least.

On March 16 2019 08:53 Sermokala wrote:

Obligatory nitpick correction about their design being to wound and but hunting nitpicking.

I don't think deep vetting and tracking of assault rifles is a divisive issue. the issue comes in the creeping definition of an assault rifle or assault weapon. Like the Texas rangers had a 15 round clip for a semi automatic rifle at the turn of the century.

On March 16 2019 08:45 Kerotan wrote:


I almost completely disagree with this. The onus is not on Muslims to act normative.

"Show everyone how normal we are. How many Americans still don't know anyone in their life who is Muslim. People fear what they dont know. Invite your neighbor over for dinner etc."

This is just good practice, and therefore hard to argue against.

"Reflect on why the West views us so negatively and figure out how to change that mentality"

Ask yourself what the west is here. In my view the west is a pretty yucky/useless category. If someone from "the west" thinks that all Muslims follow a prophet who was a paedophile (and ergo all Muslims are bad people), it should not be on the Muslim on the street to change their minds.

Which leads me to my final part:

"I'm not saying 70 people got shot because of our faults, but I am saying people will continue to get hurt until we do our part.

Believe me when I say many Muslims have done loads in this regard, but there are many who do nothing and overall clearly we need to do more."

You are kinda saying this. Not being murdered should not be contingent and will not be contingent on doing "your part". The sort of person that records their mass murder on film is not going to be swayed by how many open days your mosque has, outreach or how much of a community figurehead you are.

On a more day to day level, then yes it might help stem verbal abuse and discrimination.

My key point: No one should be coerced into behaving like archetypal white Anglo-Saxon protestant; both from a moral stand point, but also because I believe that it will be ineffective.

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As much as as disagree, thank you for sharing - I'm in too minds about it, if being normal was effective, I would be more spilt, it would not be right, but pragmatically it would be required.