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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote: the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ? Do you not see the irony here? + Show Spoiler [hint] + your both ignorant dipshits stereotyping eachother. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
I guess other big names like McDonald's, Wal-Mart, and Bank of America have also stopped airing their ads on this show. But unlike Lowe's, they smartly just stopped buying ad space and made little to no PR statement. http://www.nationofchange.org/lowe-s-bank-america-and-others-pull-ads-muslim-reality-tv-show-after-pressure-1323621702 http://lunapics.tumblr.com/post/14023098111/ms-blaspheming-bitch-full-list-of-companies-that If you believe advertiser just all stopped airing ads on a show that is about to get a major influx in viewership had nothing to do with this PR cow crap storm going, while I have a bridge to sell you. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9105 Posts
On December 13 2011 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Do you not see the irony here? + Show Spoiler [hint] + your both ignorant dipshits stereotyping eachother. True that. I wish people were capable of making more accurate thread titles (no one was forced to do anything, I think anti-muslim would be a better term than racist.) Sounds like Lowe's didn't want to take the risk of supporting a program which depicted Muslims in a positive light. While I doubt it was necessary for them to do, it wasn't worth the risk from their perspective I guess. | ||
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Alexstrasas
302 Posts
Lol gotto love these sensationalist titles. Its funny how liberals like to throw the word "racism" at anything that doesnt agree with them, so much that i am really convinced that they dont even know the definition of the word. Whether or not what this association did was justified they were within their right, the same right that allows other associations to criticize a show for having a cast that is "too white" and demand for ethnic quotas. Also as far as i understand Lowe didnt had any contractual obligations to the show, so again they were within their right to pull the ads. They stated that : "Lowe's has received a significant amount of communication on this program, from every perspective possible. Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views. As a result we did pull our advertising on this program," So : - The show is just too political and draws too much polemic, they dont want to take part in it so they pulled the ads. - Apparently not only Florida Family Association" contacted them but other groups and/or individuals. So i dont really see the angle that is making people foam from their mouths at this.Also note that im not "right wing" or "left wing", i just try to look at things from a balanced point of view and without hypocrisy. On December 13 2011 09:09 InTheFade wrote: Made me laugh  As an American, let me call my brothers into arms. Raise your hand if you're actually surprised. Anyone? Anyone? Oh that's right, we know the power of special interest groups. And we know that white people here just on average don't like "brown" people. Crackers hide behind the flag, the bible, 9/11, all that good shit. Remember when everyone blew their brains when they said they might build a Mosque on Ground Zero? Yeah... moving forward, indeed. I like living in the Pacific Northwest. We don't suffer a lot of this melodrama here, comparatively, to the midwest and south. Just to be clear, do you call "non-crackers" sand-niggers, ragheads, niggers etc. ? You need to be careful, because thats racist. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On December 13 2011 10:36 Alexstrasas wrote: Lol gotto love these sensationalist titles. Its funny how liberals like to throw the word "racism" at anything that doesnt agree with them, so much that i am really convinced that they dont even know the definition of the word. Whether or not what this association did was justified they were within their right, the same right that allows other associations to criticize a show for having a cast that is "too white" and demand for ethnic quotas. Also as far as i understand Lowe didnt had any contractual obligations to the show, so again they were within their right to pull the ads. They stated that : So : - The show is just too political and draws too much polemic, they dont want to take part in it so they pulled the ads. - Apparently not only Florida Family Association" contacted them but other groups and/or individuals. So i dont really see the angle that is making people foam from their mouths at this.Also note that im not "right wing" or "left wing", i just try to look at things from a balanced point of view and without hypocrisy. Just to be clear, do you call "non-crackers" sand-niggers, ragheads, niggers etc. ? You need to be careful, because thats racist. Are you really apologizing for the FFA and Lowe's submitting to pressure? I don't see anything else substantial in your post. If the show is too political, then why did Lowe's pull the ads only after the FFA threatened them? Why didn't they just not make the ads anyways? | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On December 13 2011 10:37 Kaitlin wrote: I haven't read through all posts, but isn't this basically akin to groups going after Glenn Beck advertisers, resulting in their ads being pulled from that show ? Seems the same behavior, just from the other side of the political spectrum. Ultimately I don't give a shit. When we're not in the voting booth, we vote with our wallets. You don't give a shit because you're lazy, although that was pretty easily evidenced by the fact you admit you don't read the posts for further info. Glenn Beck advertisers pulled out by their own will after Beck called Obama a "racist", an unsubstiantiated claim to this day. The reality TV show in question shows nothing remotely inflammatory, I don't see how the two can even be related. | ||
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Who. Fucking. Cares. Prejudice is prejudice, whether you use a technically incorrect umbrella term or not. Address the content not a single word used in the wrong way. You know what he meant. On December 13 2011 10:37 Kaitlin wrote: I haven't read through all posts, but isn't this basically akin to groups going after Glenn Beck advertisers, resulting in their ads being pulled from that show ? Seems the same behavior, just from the other side of the political spectrum. Ultimately I don't give a shit. When we're not in the voting booth, we vote with our wallets. Well, no. Why do you assume that the two groups putting on the pressure are equals on each side of the political spectrum? I mean, do the people that said this; '"propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values." sound reasonable to you? * Whereas thinking Glenn Beck is a raving fool is a perfectly reasonable opinion for either side of the spectrum; only the most extreme or indeed the dumbest right wingers think he's anything but (I state this as objective because...come on). *Context; The organization attacked advertisers on Degrassi because the teen show included a gay, bisexual and transgender characters, calling it “salacious and irresponsible propaganda,” and also criticized Degrassi for promoting The Trevor Project, an anti-suicide group that specifically focuses on at-risk LGBT youth. “Degrassi’s targeting of children and teens with homosexual and transgender content and promotions which encourage kids to call homosexual hotlines is irresponsible,” the group wrote. The group went after Campbell’s soup for boosting the “advancement of Islam and Sharia law in the United States” because the company made halal soups and sponsored a conference held by a Canadian Muslim relief organization. The FFA went after Chaz Bono’s appearance on Dancing With The Stars, saying “Chaz’s appearance on this show looks like nothing more than social engineering to mainstream extreme parts of the homosexual agenda.” | ||
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GumThief
Canada284 Posts
On December 13 2011 10:23 Gigaudas wrote: It was clear to me that the Scot and the Tunisian were both both making sarcastic replies to mindbogglingly ignorant comments from that specific American. And I promise, I'm not trying to take sides here. Please do read what those comments are quoting! Edit: Seriously, he quotes the exact content of the previous poster and exchanges words to point out the previous poster's prejudice. It's the most obvious example of sarcasm there can be! How can some people fail to see it? What? No.... Really? Oh shit was he replying to the original poster? I was confused to whom he was replying to as he quoted the other bloke. My mistake :-( | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote: Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? | ||
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Alexstrasas
302 Posts
On December 13 2011 10:42 Roe wrote: Are you really apologizing for the FFA and Lowe's submitting to pressure? I don't see anything else substantial in your post. If the show is too political, then why did Lowe's pull the ads only after the FFA threatened them? Why didn't they just not make the ads anyways? Like i said in the previous post (that you in theory just read), i am not apologizing nor condemning the FFA, what they did is whithin their right, many other association and lobbies apply pressure according to their agendas without people throwing a debate about it. And Lowe is a busyness, they decided to invest in the series but then came the hipotesis that they could lose money by keeping funding it so they pulled out, what is so weird about it ? Its not like we are talking about a major production that has guaranteed returns, so if it was a risky investment to begin with, from a busyness point of view it would make 0 sense to keep backing them up. | ||
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote: Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On December 13 2011 08:37 Krowser wrote: You forgot the most important part of the news article. "This is NOT about standing up for All-American Muslim - This is about Standing Up Against Bigotry and Hatred in this Country Founded on Peace, Justice, and Equality. Let's Stand United against Bigotry," Amen-McDermott wrote. For fuck's sake, you have religious nutbags protesting everywhere and these guys who seem to be properly assimilated Americans with arabic ancestry and muslim faith are not allowed to make a show on the grounds that they are terrorists. Yes I'm twisting words but as a neighbor of the US I'm getting pretty damn tired of hearing the words Freedom and Terrorism. I've been hearing that crap for 10 years and it's as boring as checking the weather channel! If anything they should welcome this series as a show of good faith from the Muslim community, to show everyone that they aren't all bad people and most importantly: TO MOVE ON!!!! Stay stagnant, America.... This is pretty much the way I feel every time I hear about "Conservative" America's inability to come to terms with the separation of government and religion, or freedom of religion. Sure, corporations aren't the government, but we all know they have influence. Fanaticism clearly exists on both sides of the fence and it seems like the fanatics' voices are still heard clearly over the calm voices of tolerance and sensibility. The quote from the group pretty much sums up their stupidity. Freedom or no freedom, Islam itself is not a threat to America and for them to make such a ridiculous assertion as the grounds for why advertisers should pull their commercials is completely fucked. It's not true, so why are they free to say it like it is? Damn right people are pissed off and ashamed at the companies who've pulled their ads as a result of this dipshit group's pressure; they're being spineless if they're caving to it because the group is a joke. If a letter like that arrived on my desk as the pres. of a company like Lowes I would think I was being trolled and throw it in the garbage. | ||
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hytonight
303 Posts
On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote: Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. | ||
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Diglett
600 Posts
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ShineOnYou
93 Posts
On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote: thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me | ||
HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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