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And America gets outraged... at the advertiser???
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/11/showbiz/all-american-muslim-lowes/index.html?npt=NP1
(CNN) -- Lowe's has pulled its advertising from the reality TV show "All-American Muslim," which the retail store called a "lightning rod."
"All-American Muslim" is an eight-part series that follows five Muslim families living in Dearborn, Michigan.
... The conservative Florida Family Association, which is pushing advertisers to drop "All-American Muslim," cheered Lowe's decision. The group called the TLC show "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values." Read the rest on CNN. Fair use and all that copyright jazz.
How is this Lowe's fault? It what crazy world do we live in were bigoted group make advertiser pull ads off a show, and we...get outraged at the advertiser??? Thats it. I'm outraged at Lowes, Home depot, and everyone else who isn't advertising on Sister Wives. bigots, all of them. Really, the only mistake Lowes made was advertising on this show to start with. So because of this misplaced angry, no other big name advertiser will every make this mistake again.
Loews is a place were I buy home supplies from, not take moral stance on hot button issues. Which is all well because then Loews would have to charge more, and I would just go to Home depot. The root problems here are the bigoted groups. And that's who America should be outraged at.
But I guess it generates more news and outrage to blast Loews then conservative Florida Family Association, Common sense and reason be damned.
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EDIT: It's pretty common in everyday speak to use the words bigoted and racist interchangeable. It's kinda like how people call the US a democracy when it's technical a constitutional republic. No one care but that one guy at the party who didn't say anything the whole night till someone said the magic word.
I would change the title, but I don't know how.
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Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
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Why are you so strange, OP? They're outraged because Lowe's pulled it in reaction to the FFA threat. This is turn-coat behaviour. Not only that, but it's giving in to bigotry. I don't see how you don't understand this simple fact. You may say they're just a corporation, but hey, where I spend my money seems to be one of the biggest forms of democracy these days.
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There's a "Conservative Florida Family Association"? I actually live in Florida, maybe I'll take the time to go fireb- I mean, uh, write them a nasty letter.
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Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny.
Basically, sucks to be Lowes.
On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased?
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Islam isn't a race.
Lowe's is a private company, let them advertise when and where they want for whatever reasons they want. Like the OP says, they don't exist to make political statements, but to improve their bottom line.
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On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
If I remember correctly, all of the members of the show are of Arabic descent (or like 9.9/10ths of them)
But yeah technically you're correct
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I can't follow your line of reasoning, OP. A small neo-conservative group from Florida put pressure on a large national chain to pull their funding from a TV show that is meant to increase tolerance toward Muslims by showing that they're just normal people because the neo-conservative group believes that all Muslims are evil terrorists looking to undermine American democracy. Of course we should be angry at Lowes, they reversed their decision to support an entire culture of underrepresented and unfairly reviled people simply because a small group of extremist Christians decided they don't want people to know that Muslims are hard working, caring, and altogether normal human beings.
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hahah its good to know Lowe's can be scared off by the "Florida Family Association". Are they all American's practising the Muslim religion? Wonder if they would do the same if it was Christianity in question here...
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"propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
Are they too peacefull or normal?I think they want it down because of the idea that they generally try to convey that arabs "just aren't like us westerners",Xenophobia not racism.
Sad to see the U.S spiralling down because of these "loud" self righteous minorities that the corporate media always devotes attention to.
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Kinda telling that you chose to call them racists at the start. I mean this is more a religious issue, not the specific races of people involved. Not even mentioned are if these are white muslims, black muslims, muslims of middle-eastern descent. You're really saying here -- I've made up my mind, come join me on my opinion.
Consider if a show that follows five Orthodox Jewish families around another city. A Muslim group called Minnesota Servants of Allah pushes advertisers off the show. You come here, make a post calling the muslim group racists? Bigoted?
Religious issues in the US is still a hotly debated subject. The labels you're placing here are unfounded. Racist US group forces advertiser to pull ads. Oh please, I think I need some air. Let's call all the groups I like compassionate, fair-minded, and normal, and everything I don't racist.
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On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny. Basically, sucks to be Lowes. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased?
No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent.
Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours.
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On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
I suppose as much as being a jew
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On December 13 2011 08:27 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny. Basically, sucks to be Lowes. On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased? No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent. Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours.
And we're free to express our discontent for them, thank you.
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Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real.
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On December 13 2011 08:28 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? I suppose as much as being a jew
Pretty much, I don't even know what constitutes being a Jew other than one who follows Judaism. But people seem to label them as some sort of entirely distinct race.
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it's surprising nobody has done something similar with jersey shore then...
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Rather have censorship than propaganda? (not to say it even is propaganda, since I havn't watched it)
This logic is completely flawed. Censorship and propaganda is meant to go hand in hand.
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You forgot the most important part of the news article.
"This is NOT about standing up for All-American Muslim - This is about Standing Up Against Bigotry and Hatred in this Country Founded on Peace, Justice, and Equality. Let's Stand United against Bigotry," Amen-McDermott wrote.
For fuck's sake, you have religious nutbags protesting everywhere and these guys who seem to be properly assimilated Americans with arabic ancestry and muslim faith are not allowed to make a show on the grounds that they are terrorists. Yes I'm twisting words but as a neighbor of the US I'm getting pretty damn tired of hearing the words Freedom and Terrorism. I've been hearing that crap for 10 years and it's as boring as checking the weather channel!
If anything they should welcome this series as a show of good faith from the Muslim community, to show everyone that they aren't all bad people and most importantly:
TO MOVE ON!!!!
Stay stagnant, America....
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What show and why do I suddenly care about anything that is or isn't on TLC?
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What I'm more surprised at is that Lowe's would actually listen to a bunch of racists/bigots and pull their show.
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On December 13 2011 08:27 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny. Basically, sucks to be Lowes. On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased? No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent. Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. Funny how people think that free speech means the content of said speech is something worthwhile. At least most people still have the decency to back out of saying stupid things, even if they were within their legal right to say said stupid stuff.
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On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
Don't be such a wanker, it is obvious what he means, this is just semantics. Even then, it isn't correct semantics, a race can be just a group of people united by a common culture, making racism a perfectly fine word to use, go check a dictionary or something.
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People are upset at Lowes for caving to the demands of some group of loudmouthed bigots.
Really though, we should be upset with TLC. All reality-TV is terrible and TLC should be ashamed for airing it.
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Not going to endorse white supremacists, but a surprisingly large number of Muslims view their mass immigration/colonization as a form of warfare. Much of Europe is on track to be conquered from within in the next 50-100 years, so they do have some cause for concern.
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On December 13 2011 08:37 Krowser wrote:
Stay stagnant, America....
Keep making generalizations, Canada.
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On December 13 2011 08:43 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:27 Necrophantasia wrote:On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny. Basically, sucks to be Lowes. On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased? No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent. Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. Funny how people think that free speech means the content of said speech is something worthwhile. At least most people still have the decency to back out of saying stupid things, even if they were within their legal right to say said stupid stuff.
What's even more interesting is the fact people aren't even questioning whether this group has the right to say what they want. I think the issue at hand is the fact that this group attributes rather terribly beliefs to Muslims that they clearly should not be. I should clear up what I'm saying instead of being vague.
So, to preface this, I was raised Muslim (more on this later) and I came here with my family from Pakistan when I was too young to even speak. So, I have some connection with this issue, even though I was only briefly watching the news before I left for a final. Also, I will admit, I am not as well versed in the religion as my parents are, nor am I a practicing Muslim. Now, from personal experience I have met many people who were just flat out confused about Islam. This confusion ranged from "Muslim=Terrorist?" to "So you're a vegetarian, right?"
Despite this, I am consistently surprised when anyone makes a claim in the vicinity of "the values of Islam are <blah> and therefore bad." It seems quite easy for someone to just figure out whether or not many Muslims believe any of this. I guess this is why I believe the issues lies where it does. The mere fact that people seem to bathe in this ignorance makes me feel like the world is one giant shit hole, but what can you do? This brings me to my next point.
I have come to he realization that, by now, if people still buy the crap then they will continue to buy it even if you tell them to smell it. I do not claim to know why, and I will say this is all from personal experience, but it is what I sincerely believe. So, in reality, while I should be pissed about the fact that this is happening, all it has caused me to do is sigh audibly and move on with my life. Things have gotten much better, and nowadays when I tell people I'm a Muslim (it's a huge part of how I was raised), they're just surprised that I've never had bacon (yes, I have heard it's delicious, and no I am not going to try it). On the other hand, there are just some really stubborn people out there.
Anyway, this disorganized mass of thought is just a way for me to say "Fuck it" and move on with my life. Some people are stubborn and ignorant, but loads more are actually pretty good about figuring out what's really going on (or so it seems).
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On December 13 2011 08:58 bone577 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? Don't be such a wanker
Made me laugh 
As an American, let me call my brothers into arms. Raise your hand if you're actually surprised. Anyone? Anyone? Oh that's right, we know the power of special interest groups. And we know that white people here just on average don't like "brown" people. Crackers hide behind the flag, the bible, 9/11, all that good shit. Remember when everyone blew their brains when they said they might build a Mosque on Ground Zero? Yeah... moving forward, indeed.
I like living in the Pacific Northwest. We don't suffer a lot of this melodrama here, comparatively, to the midwest and south.
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I will condemn both this racist group and anyone who acknowledges their message, takes their instructions, or anyone who gives them any credibility at all. Shame on them but shame on the advertiser too.
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On December 13 2011 09:04 Stark1 wrote:
Not going to endorse white supremacists, but a surprisingly large number of Muslims view their mass immigration/colonization as a form of warfare. Much of Europe is on track to be conquered from within in the next 50-100 years, so they do have some cause for concern.
I would like to you show that a "large" number of Muslims feel this way. You actually have anything to back that up?
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On December 13 2011 08:31 forgottendreams wrote:
Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real.
You don't know nothing man, they are coming. You may laugh at this, but mark my words.
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On December 13 2011 09:08 FallDownMarigold wrote:Keep making generalizations, Canada.
LOL the irony of this statement cracks me up
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This story makes me so angry, and I hope Lowe's gets boycotted. But I dont support the stupid politicians trying to use this to further their careers either.
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this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them..
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On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them..
wow, what? idiot
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On December 13 2011 09:04 Stark1 wrote:
Not going to endorse white supremacists, but a surprisingly large number of Muslims view their mass immigration/colonization as a form of warfare. Much of Europe is on track to be conquered from within in the next 50-100 years, so they do have some cause for concern.
Colour me surprised. Who exactly thinks that the children of the children of the children of these immigrants, no matter how fundie they are, will have the same views?
Much of Europe is on track to split up the Euro zone and start fighting amongst each other, same as last century also. I would infact say thats a much bigger concern.
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On December 13 2011 09:11 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:31 forgottendreams wrote:
Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real. You don't know nothing man, they are coming. You may laugh at this, but mark my words.
Islam, like few other cultures, successfully resists full assimilation into new countries. This means brown people are going to be celebrating a religion and practice different from yours for the next few generations and that will do plenty to piss off American bigots. You're deranged if you think America is getting out of our two-party, corporatist, WASP system anytime soon.
Note that ad money was the only thing strong enough to get Glenn Beck off a regular Fox show.
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saw this coming a few weeks ago.. either.. michael medved or fox news was blurbing it around..
so sad really. the worst is this is probably their best show, next to married midgets and polygamists
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On December 13 2011 09:11 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:31 forgottendreams wrote:
Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real. You don't know nothing man, they are coming. You may laugh at this, but mark my words.
I came a little bit, just reading that. So I guess your statement is correct.
Also I am in the US and I am taking your jobs and houses. I imagine that does make me some sort of an invader right?
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Incidentally I am not the least bit upset at Lowes. Yes I am going to boycott it personally but I can't imagine Lowes wanting to put ads on a show which is bound to create feelings of extreme hatred in your common everyday fascist - and thats like half the republican voters. Way too many people to piss off.
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On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them..
Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then.
See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super?
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On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them..
the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ?
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On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then. See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super? the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ?
What in gods name are you talking about? Why do threads like this always attract such idiots...
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On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then. See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super? the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ?
I was gonna say that Tunisia is located in Northern Africa, but then I realized that I am a fat American. I guess I should switch my answer to somewhere in Asia.
Xenophobia, Racism, Bigotry, whatever you want to call it, the point is that the attacks are all fueled by the same dislike of a foreign component in our country, by which we feel threatened. I think its unwarranted and that Lowes shouldn't give in to such ridiculous demands.
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American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently.
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On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then. See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super? the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ?
Emerick is afraid that some muslim or other eastern european will steal their hot-dog, so they riot. What do you expect?
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What the fuck is this -_-
Islamic agenda? What is wrong with these nutters?
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On December 13 2011 09:11 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:31 forgottendreams wrote:
Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real. You don't know nothing man, they are coming. You may laugh at this, but mark my words.
Well as a graduating student with a bacholers in political science whose studied demographic trends I'd have to laugh. Yeah they are coming, but the immediate threat to the white middle class American is the Hispanic and will be for some time.
Hispanics and whites will together drown out the voice of the Islamic presence, and add on top of that the demographic transition of declining birth rates and immigration rates is anticipated for both Hispanic and peoples identified as "Islamic" is projected by the end of the century.
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Muslims have been living in the US as American citizens since the 1940s. If they haven't done the majority any harm then, they won't do any now. Fuck rednecks.
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Im Rick Perry, and I approve this message.
More seriously, how can a group even say something like that? If it was a jewish thing, they wouldn't have a problem, or if they were athiests or agnostics, and especially christians. Oh no, but as soon as the word Muslim comes into the picture, they just jump all over it and claim its the "root of all evil"
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On December 13 2011 09:35 Chargelot wrote:
American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently.
That was the entire point of my post. Give bigoted idiocy another face so those practising it can perhaps see it for what it is.
Did you miss the part where I even called it "idiotic"? I thought my post was fairly clear. : /
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On December 13 2011 09:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:35 Chargelot wrote:
American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently. That was the entire point of my post. Give bigoted idiocy another face so those practising it can perhaps see it for what it is. Did you miss the part where I even called it "idiotic"? I thought my post was fairly clear. : /
Being an idiot doesn't make him being an idiot look more idiotic, it just makes you both look like idiots.
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On December 13 2011 09:48 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:35 Chargelot wrote:
American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently. That was the entire point of my post. Give bigoted idiocy another face so those practising it can perhaps see it for what it is. Did you miss the part where I even called it "idiotic"? I thought my post was fairly clear. : / Being an idiot doesn't make him being an idiot look more idiotic, it just makes you both look like idiots.
Except I specifically stated that it was an idiotic view, so it was clear that it wasn't my own. Yet you somehow got the impression that I was bigoted. Strange.
I think illustrating the fact that your bigotry is mirrored in others in ways you probably find offensive is actually a pretty good method of combating it. Never mind, though. Guess the point of my post wasn't as obvious as I thought, so I shall have to work on my clarity.
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There should be a show called All-Canadian-Chinese centering on Han families that speak neither english or french, and have been living in Montreal for decades, and are celebrated as citizens just as much as everyone else.
Or just a show called Canada about worldwide tolerance?
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On December 13 2011 10:06 Abraxas514 wrote:
There should be a show called All-Canadian-Chinese centering on Han families that speak neither english or french, and have been living in Montreal for decades, and are celebrated as citizens just as much as everyone else.
Or just a show called Canada about worldwide tolerance?
Let's not get ridiculous. Canada is discriminitory towards not only Aboriginals but to an extent the French speaking population, particularly in Quebec (although the feeling from what I understand is reciprocated).
Granted not to the extent the United States is/has gone but its stil there.
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Why do we give so much attention to bigots like these? It sounds like we are giving them more power even though we wish them to do poorly.
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On December 13 2011 10:12 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 10:06 Abraxas514 wrote:
There should be a show called All-Canadian-Chinese centering on Han families that speak neither english or french, and have been living in Montreal for decades, and are celebrated as citizens just as much as everyone else.
Or just a show called Canada about worldwide tolerance? Let's not get ridiculous. Canada is discriminitory towards not only Aboriginals but to an extent the French speaking population, particularly in Quebec (although the feeling from what I understand is reciprocated). Granted not to the extent the United States is/has gone but its stil there.
I live in Montreal, and from what I've seen most discrimination is a product of french hillbillies hating on anything that's not french.
We have a supermarket chain called "Kim Phat", where you can buy vegetables and weird ass meat that is not normally sold in north america, and not one person who works there could speak to me in english, yet it is a very popular franchise as we respect their culture and the authenticity it brings.
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On December 13 2011 09:35 Chargelot wrote:
American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently.
It was clear to me that the Scot and the Tunisian were both both making sarcastic replies to mindbogglingly ignorant comments from that specific American.
And I promise, I'm not trying to take sides here. Please do read what those comments are quoting!
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On December 13 2011 09:31 GumThief wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:On December 13 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then. See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super? the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ? What in gods name are you talking about? Why do threads like this always attract such idiots...
Seriously, he quotes the exact content of the previous poster and exchanges words to point out the previous poster's prejudice. It's the most obvious example of sarcasm there can be! How can some people fail to see it?
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On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ?
Do you not see the irony here?
+ Show Spoiler [hint] +your both ignorant dipshits stereotyping eachother.
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On December 13 2011 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ? Do you not see the irony here? + Show Spoiler [hint] +your both ignorant dipshits stereotyping eachother.
True that.
I wish people were capable of making more accurate thread titles (no one was forced to do anything, I think anti-muslim would be a better term than racist.)
Sounds like Lowe's didn't want to take the risk of supporting a program which depicted Muslims in a positive light. While I doubt it was necessary for them to do, it wasn't worth the risk from their perspective I guess.
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Lol gotto love these sensationalist titles.
Its funny how liberals like to throw the word "racism" at anything that doesnt agree with them, so much that i am really convinced that they dont even know the definition of the word.
Whether or not what this association did was justified they were within their right, the same right that allows other associations to criticize a show for having a cast that is "too white" and demand for ethnic quotas.
Also as far as i understand Lowe didnt had any contractual obligations to the show, so again they were within their right to pull the ads.
They stated that :
"Lowe's has received a significant amount of communication on this program, from every perspective possible. Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views. As a result we did pull our advertising on this program,"
So :
- The show is just too political and draws too much polemic, they dont want to take part in it so they pulled the ads.
- Apparently not only Florida Family Association" contacted them but other groups and/or individuals.
So i dont really see the angle that is making people foam from their mouths at this.Also note that im not "right wing" or "left wing", i just try to look at things from a balanced point of view and without hypocrisy.
On December 13 2011 09:09 InTheFade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:58 bone577 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? Don't be such a wanker Made me laugh As an American, let me call my brothers into arms. Raise your hand if you're actually surprised. Anyone? Anyone? Oh that's right, we know the power of special interest groups. And we know that white people here just on average don't like "brown" people. Crackers hide behind the flag, the bible, 9/11, all that good shit. Remember when everyone blew their brains when they said they might build a Mosque on Ground Zero? Yeah... moving forward, indeed. I like living in the Pacific Northwest. We don't suffer a lot of this melodrama here, comparatively, to the midwest and south.
Just to be clear, do you call "non-crackers" sand-niggers, ragheads, niggers etc. ? You need to be careful, because thats racist.
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I haven't read through all posts, but isn't this basically akin to groups going after Glenn Beck advertisers, resulting in their ads being pulled from that show ? Seems the same behavior, just from the other side of the political spectrum. Ultimately I don't give a shit. When we're not in the voting booth, we vote with our wallets.
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On December 13 2011 10:36 Alexstrasas wrote:Lol gotto love these sensationalist titles. Its funny how liberals like to throw the word "racism" at anything that doesnt agree with them, so much that i am really convinced that they dont even know the definition of the word. Whether or not what this association did was justified they were within their right, the same right that allows other associations to criticize a show for having a cast that is "too white" and demand for ethnic quotas. Also as far as i understand Lowe didnt had any contractual obligations to the show, so again they were within their right to pull the ads. They stated that : Show nested quote +"Lowe's has received a significant amount of communication on this program, from every perspective possible. Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views. As a result we did pull our advertising on this program," So : - The show is just too political and draws too much polemic, they dont want to take part in it so they pulled the ads. - Apparently not only Florida Family Association" contacted them but other groups and/or individuals. So i dont really see the angle that is making people foam from their mouths at this.Also note that im not "right wing" or "left wing", i just try to look at things from a balanced point of view and without hypocrisy. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:09 InTheFade wrote:On December 13 2011 08:58 bone577 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? Don't be such a wanker Made me laugh As an American, let me call my brothers into arms. Raise your hand if you're actually surprised. Anyone? Anyone? Oh that's right, we know the power of special interest groups. And we know that white people here just on average don't like "brown" people. Crackers hide behind the flag, the bible, 9/11, all that good shit. Remember when everyone blew their brains when they said they might build a Mosque on Ground Zero? Yeah... moving forward, indeed. I like living in the Pacific Northwest. We don't suffer a lot of this melodrama here, comparatively, to the midwest and south. Just to be clear, do you call "non-crackers" sand-niggers, ragheads, niggers etc. ? You need to be careful, because thats racist.
Are you really apologizing for the FFA and Lowe's submitting to pressure? I don't see anything else substantial in your post. If the show is too political, then why did Lowe's pull the ads only after the FFA threatened them? Why didn't they just not make the ads anyways?
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On December 13 2011 10:37 Kaitlin wrote:
I haven't read through all posts, but isn't this basically akin to groups going after Glenn Beck advertisers, resulting in their ads being pulled from that show ? Seems the same behavior, just from the other side of the political spectrum. Ultimately I don't give a shit. When we're not in the voting booth, we vote with our wallets.
You don't give a shit because you're lazy, although that was pretty easily evidenced by the fact you admit you don't read the posts for further info.
Glenn Beck advertisers pulled out by their own will after Beck called Obama a "racist", an unsubstiantiated claim to this day.
The reality TV show in question shows nothing remotely inflammatory, I don't see how the two can even be related.
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The group called the TLC show "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
I couldn't agree more
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The amount of posts going 'Islam not a race' on the first page alone is depressing.
Who. Fucking. Cares. Prejudice is prejudice, whether you use a technically incorrect umbrella term or not. Address the content not a single word used in the wrong way. You know what he meant.
On December 13 2011 10:37 Kaitlin wrote:
I haven't read through all posts, but isn't this basically akin to groups going after Glenn Beck advertisers, resulting in their ads being pulled from that show ? Seems the same behavior, just from the other side of the political spectrum. Ultimately I don't give a shit. When we're not in the voting booth, we vote with our wallets.
Well, no. Why do you assume that the two groups putting on the pressure are equals on each side of the political spectrum? I mean, do the people that said this;
'"propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."
sound reasonable to you? *
Whereas thinking Glenn Beck is a raving fool is a perfectly reasonable opinion for either side of the spectrum; only the most extreme or indeed the dumbest right wingers think he's anything but (I state this as objective because...come on).
*Context;
The organization attacked advertisers on Degrassi because the teen show included a gay, bisexual and transgender characters, calling it “salacious and irresponsible propaganda,” and also criticized Degrassi for promoting The Trevor Project, an anti-suicide group that specifically focuses on at-risk LGBT youth. “Degrassi’s targeting of children and teens with homosexual and transgender content and promotions which encourage kids to call homosexual hotlines is irresponsible,” the group wrote.
The group went after Campbell’s soup for boosting the “advancement of Islam and Sharia law in the United States” because the company made halal soups and sponsored a conference held by a Canadian Muslim relief organization.
The FFA went after Chaz Bono’s appearance on Dancing With The Stars, saying “Chaz’s appearance on this show looks like nothing more than social engineering to mainstream extreme parts of the homosexual agenda.”
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On December 13 2011 10:23 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:35 Chargelot wrote:
American who is bigoted against muslims.
Tunisians and Scots who are bigoted against Americans.
Classy guys. Bigotry begets bigotry apparently. It was clear to me that the Scot and the Tunisian were both both making sarcastic replies to mindbogglingly ignorant comments from that specific American. And I promise, I'm not trying to take sides here. Please do read what those comments are quoting! Edit: Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:31 GumThief wrote:On December 13 2011 09:25 FaRess wrote:On December 13 2011 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 13 2011 09:17 teer wrote:
this family represents the 1% of muslims that aren't short tempered, ignorant, violent and loud. We need more like them.. Sounds like this family doesn't belong in the US then. See, I can make idiotic comments too. Isn't that super? the 1 % ? you're probably part of those 99% fat americans who can't put more then 5 countries on a map right ? What in gods name are you talking about? Why do threads like this always attract such idiots... Seriously, he quotes the exact content of the previous poster and exchanges words to point out the previous poster's prejudice. It's the most obvious example of sarcasm there can be! How can some people fail to see it?
What? No.... Really?
Oh shit was he replying to the original poster? I was confused to whom he was replying to as he quoted the other bloke. My mistake
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Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this.
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On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this.
Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message?
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On December 13 2011 10:42 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 10:36 Alexstrasas wrote:Lol gotto love these sensationalist titles. Its funny how liberals like to throw the word "racism" at anything that doesnt agree with them, so much that i am really convinced that they dont even know the definition of the word. Whether or not what this association did was justified they were within their right, the same right that allows other associations to criticize a show for having a cast that is "too white" and demand for ethnic quotas. Also as far as i understand Lowe didnt had any contractual obligations to the show, so again they were within their right to pull the ads. They stated that : "Lowe's has received a significant amount of communication on this program, from every perspective possible. Individuals and groups have strong political and societal views on this topic, and this program became a lightning rod for many of those views. As a result we did pull our advertising on this program," So : - The show is just too political and draws too much polemic, they dont want to take part in it so they pulled the ads. - Apparently not only Florida Family Association" contacted them but other groups and/or individuals. So i dont really see the angle that is making people foam from their mouths at this.Also note that im not "right wing" or "left wing", i just try to look at things from a balanced point of view and without hypocrisy. On December 13 2011 09:09 InTheFade wrote:On December 13 2011 08:58 bone577 wrote:On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? Don't be such a wanker Made me laugh As an American, let me call my brothers into arms. Raise your hand if you're actually surprised. Anyone? Anyone? Oh that's right, we know the power of special interest groups. And we know that white people here just on average don't like "brown" people. Crackers hide behind the flag, the bible, 9/11, all that good shit. Remember when everyone blew their brains when they said they might build a Mosque on Ground Zero? Yeah... moving forward, indeed. I like living in the Pacific Northwest. We don't suffer a lot of this melodrama here, comparatively, to the midwest and south. Just to be clear, do you call "non-crackers" sand-niggers, ragheads, niggers etc. ? You need to be careful, because thats racist. Are you really apologizing for the FFA and Lowe's submitting to pressure? I don't see anything else substantial in your post. If the show is too political, then why did Lowe's pull the ads only after the FFA threatened them? Why didn't they just not make the ads anyways?
Like i said in the previous post (that you in theory just read), i am not apologizing nor condemning the FFA, what they did is whithin their right, many other association and lobbies apply pressure according to their agendas without people throwing a debate about it.
And Lowe is a busyness, they decided to invest in the series but then came the hipotesis that they could lose money by keeping funding it so they pulled out, what is so weird about it ? Its not like we are talking about a major production that has guaranteed returns, so if it was a risky investment to begin with, from a busyness point of view it would make 0 sense to keep backing them up.
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On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message?
Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever.
This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality.
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On December 13 2011 08:37 Krowser wrote:
You forgot the most important part of the news article.
"This is NOT about standing up for All-American Muslim - This is about Standing Up Against Bigotry and Hatred in this Country Founded on Peace, Justice, and Equality. Let's Stand United against Bigotry," Amen-McDermott wrote.
For fuck's sake, you have religious nutbags protesting everywhere and these guys who seem to be properly assimilated Americans with arabic ancestry and muslim faith are not allowed to make a show on the grounds that they are terrorists. Yes I'm twisting words but as a neighbor of the US I'm getting pretty damn tired of hearing the words Freedom and Terrorism. I've been hearing that crap for 10 years and it's as boring as checking the weather channel!
If anything they should welcome this series as a show of good faith from the Muslim community, to show everyone that they aren't all bad people and most importantly:
TO MOVE ON!!!!
Stay stagnant, America....
This is pretty much the way I feel every time I hear about "Conservative" America's inability to come to terms with the separation of government and religion, or freedom of religion. Sure, corporations aren't the government, but we all know they have influence. Fanaticism clearly exists on both sides of the fence and it seems like the fanatics' voices are still heard clearly over the calm voices of tolerance and sensibility.
The quote from the group pretty much sums up their stupidity. Freedom or no freedom, Islam itself is not a threat to America and for them to make such a ridiculous assertion as the grounds for why advertisers should pull their commercials is completely fucked. It's not true, so why are they free to say it like it is?
Damn right people are pissed off and ashamed at the companies who've pulled their ads as a result of this dipshit group's pressure; they're being spineless if they're caving to it because the group is a joke. If a letter like that arrived on my desk as the pres. of a company like Lowes I would think I was being trolled and throw it in the garbage.
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On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality.
thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course.
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anti arabic or anti muslim?
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On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course.
The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me
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Before posting in this thread: Please understand the distinction between a race, a religion and a group of extremists. The use of your words matter in discussions like this, so choose them carefully.
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This is awful. I would be for it if the group backing this movement was also calling for companies to pull ads from Christian shows, but since that's never been a problem, the irony of the situation kills me. It's unfair to call them racist but it's perfectly fine to call them ignorant and pitifully fearful.
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On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me
but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers.
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What are you basing this on, Shine? Your own conjecture and limited knowledge of Islam and the many millions that make up the religion, or actual facts?
Anyone else smile when they saw the banners for Lowes on TL? They'll support us gamers, but not them muslims. Kinda wondering why Lowes paid so much attention to this association from Florida. I've never heard of them, do they have national clout? Apparently now they do.
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This is really sad news. Why is world so much hate?
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This is silly. Xenophobes are really ruining all remaining avenues of decency we have
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On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me
How is it so the "secular, average american type muslim isn't the norm"? Muslims have the second highest income and education levels (secular education) next to Judaism and are the least likely of any major religious group to vote.
At max Muslims make up 2% of our population, are the least likely to vote of any major religious affiliation and have high levels of secular education. I fail to see how American Muslims are inherently subversive to governance and "liberties".
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Good for Lowe's honestly. No religion should be be supported directly, or indirectly. I don't care what the reasons are for pulling the ads (even though I know what they are. I DID read the article), any action that speeds up the demise of religion as a whole is welcome. The sooner we stop believing in stone age nonsense, the sooner we can put all those minds to work on things that actually matter.
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On December 13 2011 12:49 ayaz2810 wrote:
Good for Lowe's honestly. No religion should be be supported directly, or indirectly. I don't care what the reasons are for pulling the ads (even though I know what they are. I DID read the article), any action that speeds up the demise of religion as a whole is welcome. The sooner we stop believing in stone age nonsense, the sooner we can put all those minds to work on things that actually matter.
The sooner everyone adopts my worldview (or at least one not too radically different from it), the sooner we can progress as a species!
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On December 13 2011 12:49 ayaz2810 wrote:
Good for Lowe's honestly. No religion should be be supported directly, or indirectly. I don't care what the reasons are for pulling the ads (even though I know what they are. I DID read the article), any action that speeds up the demise of religion as a whole is welcome. The sooner we stop believing in stone age nonsense, the sooner we can put all those minds to work on things that actually matter.
This is just my genuine curiosity at work here, but what is wrong exactly with religion? I don't mean to sound rude and I certainly do not mean to start a shit storm, I am actually just curious. The reason I ask is mainly due to the last sentence, which makes me wonder how believing in a religion would preclude someone from working on things that actually matter. Though, it may very well be the case that I read this wrong. If so, feel free to enlighten me.
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I don't like religion either.
But religion is also heritage, and family history. You need to at least respect the different religions as having equal right to exist in society.
Lowe's wouldn't pull ads, and wouldn't have groups advocating them to pull ads, if this were a show about a Christian family espousing Christianity. Would they? No.
Pretty shameful. I won't start being a Lowe's customer anytime soon.
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On December 13 2011 13:14 HULKAMANIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:49 ayaz2810 wrote:
Good for Lowe's honestly. No religion should be be supported directly, or indirectly. I don't care what the reasons are for pulling the ads (even though I know what they are. I DID read the article), any action that speeds up the demise of religion as a whole is welcome. The sooner we stop believing in stone age nonsense, the sooner we can put all those minds to work on things that actually matter. The sooner everyone adopts my worldview (or at least one not too radically different from it), the sooner we can progress as a species!
Yes! Who needs freedom of thought to progress as a species!?
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Religion does not restrict freedom of thought when used responsibly. It merely provides an explanation for the existence of our species and a moral code to live by during mortal life.
Edit: Also, I don't get why people think that Islam is trying to kill us. It is one of the largest religions in the world. A small group of a couple thousand people blow the doctrine of Jihad out of proportion, and we decide that people with Middle-Eastern blood are all out to get us.
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Funny how some people in this thread think that because a few hundred people in this organization think there is some islamic threat, that every american does.
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On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me
"Christianity is in direct incompatibility with secularism and freedom of expression. For every person who murders abortion clinic doctors, there are a million Christians who agree with it, but wouldn't go around murdering people. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between who are indifferent to it. And then there's this fairy tale version of western Christians, which even if it made up 35% of them, it still seems deceptive to me."
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On December 13 2011 09:11 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:31 forgottendreams wrote:
Islam is a danger to our "American" liberties according to this org?
What a joke, at no point even 1,000 years from now will Islamic peoples be a majority nor have the voting bloc to change any of our rather secular and mundane governance philosophy.
Get real. You don't know nothing man, they are coming. You may laugh at this, but mark my words.
I love it when people say "you don't know nothing"
Get your double negatives straight, please.
If you know nothing, it means you're clueless.
If you DON'T know nothing, it obviously must mean you know something.
On December 13 2011 13:16 MrBludgeon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:49 ayaz2810 wrote:
Good for Lowe's honestly. No religion should be be supported directly, or indirectly. I don't care what the reasons are for pulling the ads (even though I know what they are. I DID read the article), any action that speeds up the demise of religion as a whole is welcome. The sooner we stop believing in stone age nonsense, the sooner we can put all those minds to work on things that actually matter. This is just my genuine curiosity at work here, but what is wrong exactly with religion? I don't mean to sound rude and I certainly do not mean to start a shit storm, I am actually just curious. The reason I ask is mainly due to the last sentence, which makes me wonder how believing in a religion would preclude someone from working on things that actually matter. Though, it may very well be the case that I read this wrong. If so, feel free to enlighten me.
Almost every religion in the world indoctrinates children at a young and vulnerable age before they are capable of logical and rational thought to decide for themselves if religion is something they want to be a part of.
I will never support a religion that survives on the fact that it indoctrinates minors into it's belief system. Even worse is when said religion actively disregards currently proven/accepted facts (such as evolution, that is a huge one) in order to propagate the factual inadequacies which support said religion (such as creationism).
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the batman of the internet
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people were upset that the show portrayed American Muslims as normal people.
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Good for them. According to that article they may even release info on people they believe related to (other) hate groups like the KKK. If any people are revealed for those reasons they deserve everything they get. Intolerance is one of the few things that get me truly angry.
Reading through all this has just disgusted me. How can people still have that mindset? Somehow these people/groups like the FFA can claim that there ignorance as grounds to suppress others. I can't help but wonder how groups like FFA would react if someone treated them to what they do to other people. Things like this truly show that some people are just children in adult bodies, that they haven't learned anything past elementary school and just listen to what their (probably prejudice) parents told them without thinking about it.
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While the brand of radical politicized Islam that can be found in some countries in the Middle East scares me(as does the growing trend of politicized evangelical Christianity), its disgusting that this sort of bigotry exists in America. The immigrant population from Islamic countries are here because they like it here better, they aren't part of some giant conspiracy to undermine America(people said the same thing about Catholics 100 years ago). In two or three generations they will assimilate more fully and it wont even be a lightning rod for Xenophobes. A local mosque will be no more or less controversial then a local Church, Cathedral, or Synagogue.
As far as the racism vs bigotry debate, its important to note that most of the Muslim population in the United States are of Semetic, African or South Asian descent, so bigotry and racism go hand in hand in this case.
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Thank you for the mod changing the title. Now we can get pasted this "that's not racism, it's bigotry noob", and talk about the issue.
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On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers.
Uh, there's actually a lot of silent support for suicide bombing in the muslim world. I have no idea and can't judge the % but just concider the amount of people harbouring and assisting suicide bombers and affiliated terrorists. Only very select few actually carry out the action but a lot of people concider it a just fight (which imo does have some merits, even if suicide bombing in itself is a silly and stupid way to go about things).
ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims.
The only thing he errs in is assuming that muslims in western countries are equal to muslims in islamic countries. Very rarely is this true, because as he himself pointed out they are not compatible.
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On December 13 2011 15:05 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers. ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims.
You sound like the person that was on Anderson Cooper arguing against this show. Completely baseless banter about a religion you know nothing of. Even the person arguing on the show admitted to not reading the whole Qur'an and still argued. Ignorant people are ridiculous.
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On December 13 2011 15:12 Shaok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 15:05 HellRoxYa wrote:On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this. Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message? Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever. This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality. thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course. The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers. ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims. You sound like the person that was on Anderson Cooper arguing against this show. Completely baseless banter about a religion you know nothing of. Even the person arguing on the show admitted to not reading the whole Qur'an and still argued. Ignorant people are ridiculous.
It's actually irrelevant what is said in the Qur'an. What is relevant is how islam is practiced. Just as how it matters not what it says in the bible but what parts you adhere to, and what you add on top of it. I realize I said "by the book" muslims, this was a bad choice of words on my part. What I meant to refer to was how islam is practiced in the muslim world today.
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On December 13 2011 08:32 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:28 Skilledblob wrote:On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? I suppose as much as being a jew Pretty much, I don't even know what constitutes being a Jew other than one who follows Judaism. But people seem to label them as some sort of entirely distinct race.
I never quite understood this. :| It seems to be bigoted in its own respect that people would label Jews as some separate entity rather than being people from wherever following the culture and lifestyle of the land :S. The issue is that so many people talk that way, it gets a bit bothersome.
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On December 13 2011 08:27 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny. Basically, sucks to be Lowes. On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased? No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent. Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours.
And I will always be happy to live in a country where free speech does not apply to bigotry. Saying the "n" word here can get you in jail, and I'm happy for it.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure out for the life of me where you came up with "America is outraged at Lowes" from that article.
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The best part is that now Lowe's has become an advertiser for American Muslim rather than the other way around. Sucks to be Lowe's.
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Well it's all one rich guy.
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On December 13 2011 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 09:08 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 13 2011 08:37 Krowser wrote:
Stay stagnant, America.... Keep making generalizations, Canada. LOL the irony of this statement cracks me up
That's good, because that was the intent. Me generalizing, in order to make fun of his generalizing. I'm glad you managed to process that - good. Your humor meter is fully functional!
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Sad that Lowe's would kowtow to loons, but they're within their rights to do so. It doesn't make for very good PR, though.
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By the way, as a Canadian I feel the need to apologize for Little Mosque on the Prairie. That show is (was?) awful.
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On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?
Because to bigots in the US, you don't need to be Islamic to feel the wrath of "Islamophobia." It's about brown skin and beards. Sikhs are often the ones who get targeted as "Muslim terrorists" by ignorant yokels. The same type of ignorant yokels who run that lobbyist group.
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On December 14 2011 06:31 bonifaceviii wrote:
By the way, as a Canadian I feel the need to apologize for Little Mosque on the Prairie. That show is (was?) awful.
It's ok we got Michael J. Fox :D
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On December 13 2011 08:32 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 08:28 Skilledblob wrote:On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race? I suppose as much as being a jew Pretty much, I don't even know what constitutes being a Jew other than one who follows Judaism. But people seem to label them as some sort of entirely distinct race.
having a jewish mother
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This makes me embarrassed to be both conservative and American... I disown these people
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