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InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 06:16:48
December 13 2011 05:23 GMT
#101
While the brand of radical politicized Islam that can be found in some countries in the Middle East scares me(as does the growing trend of politicized evangelical Christianity), its disgusting that this sort of bigotry exists in America. The immigrant population from Islamic countries are here because they like it here better, they aren't part of some giant conspiracy to undermine America(people said the same thing about Catholics 100 years ago). In two or three generations they will assimilate more fully and it wont even be a lightning rod for Xenophobes. A local mosque will be no more or less controversial then a local Church, Cathedral, or Synagogue.

As far as the racism vs bigotry debate, its important to note that most of the Muslim population in the United States are of Semetic, African or South Asian descent, so bigotry and racism go hand in hand in this case.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 05:43:13
December 13 2011 05:39 GMT
#102
Thank you for the mod changing the title. Now we can get pasted this "that's not racism, it's bigotry noob", and talk about the issue.
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
December 13 2011 06:05 GMT
#103
On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this.


Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message?

Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever.

This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality.

thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course.

The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me

but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers.


Uh, there's actually a lot of silent support for suicide bombing in the muslim world. I have no idea and can't judge the % but just concider the amount of people harbouring and assisting suicide bombers and affiliated terrorists. Only very select few actually carry out the action but a lot of people concider it a just fight (which imo does have some merits, even if suicide bombing in itself is a silly and stupid way to go about things).

ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims.

The only thing he errs in is assuming that muslims in western countries are equal to muslims in islamic countries. Very rarely is this true, because as he himself pointed out they are not compatible.
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 06:14:59
December 13 2011 06:12 GMT
#104
On December 13 2011 15:05 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this.


Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message?

Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever.

This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality.

thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course.

The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me

but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers.



ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims.



You sound like the person that was on Anderson Cooper arguing against this show. Completely baseless banter about a religion you know nothing of. Even the person arguing on the show admitted to not reading the whole Qur'an and still argued. Ignorant people are ridiculous.
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
December 13 2011 06:18 GMT
#105
On December 13 2011 15:12 Shaok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 15:05 HellRoxYa wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:30 hytonight wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:21 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:58 hytonight wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:49 ShineOnYou wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:11 Skwid1g wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:00 starcraft911 wrote:
Islam is a religion (not a race) and like all religions I hope they never advertise or recite their fictitious fairy tales. That goes for all religions. I'm okay with this.


Why? They shouldn't be able to speak because you disagree with their message?

Theres no debate, its not a case of opinions where there are arguments of both sides, religious people have no argument whatsoever.

This show does sound like propaganda because it portrays an image of islam which does not fit reality.

thats a lovely way of thinking. so what WOULD fit reality, in your opinion of course.

The secular, average america type muslim simply isnt the norm. Islam is in direct incompatibility with secularity and freedom of expression. For every muslim terrorist there are a million muslims who agree with it but wouldnt go up to blowing themselves. Not saying this is the majority, but certainly a huge chunk. Then comes those in between which are indifferent to it. And then theres this fairy tale version of western muslims portrayed in this show, which even if it made up for 35% of them, seems like deceptive to me

but......none of thats true. the only people who agree with suicide bombers are other suicide bombers or future suicide bombers.



ShineOnYou also has a point about islam being incompatible with western society. In its current form this is absolutely true. Only when you leave the current core of muslim faith is it not true. However most immigrants (first, second and third generation) seem to adopt a more lenient form of islam when integrating in to western society. Only a very select few still remain hardcore, by the book, muslims.



You sound like the person that was on Anderson Cooper arguing against this show. Completely baseless banter about a religion you know nothing of. Even the person arguing on the show admitted to not reading the whole Qur'an and still argued. Ignorant people are ridiculous.


It's actually irrelevant what is said in the Qur'an. What is relevant is how islam is practiced. Just as how it matters not what it says in the bible but what parts you adhere to, and what you add on top of it. I realize I said "by the book" muslims, this was a bad choice of words on my part. What I meant to refer to was how islam is practiced in the muslim world today.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
December 13 2011 06:21 GMT
#106
On December 13 2011 08:32 Asshat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 08:28 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?


I suppose as much as being a jew


Pretty much, I don't even know what constitutes being a Jew other than one who follows Judaism. But people seem to label them as some sort of entirely distinct race.

I never quite understood this. :| It seems to be bigoted in its own respect that people would label Jews as some separate entity rather than being people from wherever following the culture and lifestyle of the land :S. The issue is that so many people talk that way, it gets a bit bothersome.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
December 13 2011 06:44 GMT
#107
On December 13 2011 08:27 Necrophantasia wrote:
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On December 13 2011 08:00 JinDesu wrote:
Just so people understand as well - Home Depot pulled ads out and are not subjected to the same scrutiny.

Basically, sucks to be Lowes.

On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?


If the OP re-wrote that to "bigoted", would you be appeased?


No. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Your "racist" group even points out what they have issue with is Islam not their Arabic descent.

Religious issues are rife in America, but this conservative group is free to express what they want. Funny how free speech applies even when people's beliefs conflict with yours.



And I will always be happy to live in a country where free speech does not apply to bigotry. Saying the "n" word here can get you in jail, and I'm happy for it.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
December 13 2011 06:44 GMT
#108
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure out for the life of me where you came up with "America is outraged at Lowes" from that article.
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
December 13 2011 06:58 GMT
#109
it's their loss. Apparently the ad spots on the show are now sold out!

http://globalgrind.com/news/all-american-muslim-sold-out-rush-card-buys-out-inventory-details

And yes i would get mad at the advertiser along with the group advocating the removal of the ads.
HULKAMANIA
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States1219 Posts
December 13 2011 07:16 GMT
#110
On December 13 2011 15:58 LittleAtari wrote:
it's their loss. Apparently the ad spots on the show are now sold out!

http://globalgrind.com/news/all-american-muslim-sold-out-rush-card-buys-out-inventory-details

And yes i would get mad at the advertiser along with the group advocating the removal of the ads.

The best part is that now Lowe's has become an advertiser for American Muslim rather than the other way around. Sucks to be Lowe's.
If it were not so, I would have told you.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
December 13 2011 11:50 GMT
#111
On December 13 2011 15:58 LittleAtari wrote:
it's their loss. Apparently the ad spots on the show are now sold out!

http://globalgrind.com/news/all-american-muslim-sold-out-rush-card-buys-out-inventory-details

And yes i would get mad at the advertiser along with the group advocating the removal of the ads.


Well it's all one rich guy.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 21:26:04
December 13 2011 21:24 GMT
#112
On December 13 2011 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 09:08 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On December 13 2011 08:37 Krowser wrote:

Stay stagnant, America....


Keep making generalizations, Canada.


LOL the irony of this statement cracks me up


That's good, because that was the intent. Me generalizing, in order to make fun of his generalizing. I'm glad you managed to process that - good. Your humor meter is fully functional!
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 21:25:19
December 13 2011 21:24 GMT
#113
doubbble post!!
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
December 13 2011 21:27 GMT
#114
Sad that Lowe's would kowtow to loons, but they're within their rights to do so. It doesn't make for very good PR, though.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
December 13 2011 21:31 GMT
#115
By the way, as a Canadian I feel the need to apologize for Little Mosque on the Prairie. That show is (was?) awful.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 21:35:27
December 13 2011 21:34 GMT
#116
On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?

Because to bigots in the US, you don't need to be Islamic to feel the wrath of "Islamophobia." It's about brown skin and beards. Sikhs are often the ones who get targeted as "Muslim terrorists" by ignorant yokels. The same type of ignorant yokels who run that lobbyist group.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Playguuu
Profile Joined April 2010
United States926 Posts
December 13 2011 21:36 GMT
#117
On December 14 2011 06:31 bonifaceviii wrote:
By the way, as a Canadian I feel the need to apologize for Little Mosque on the Prairie. That show is (was?) awful.


It's ok we got Michael J. Fox :D
I used to be just like you, then I took a sweetroll to the knee.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
December 13 2011 21:40 GMT
#118
On December 13 2011 08:32 Asshat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 08:28 Skilledblob wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:57 Necrophantasia wrote:
Racist? What does Islam have to do with race?


I suppose as much as being a jew


Pretty much, I don't even know what constitutes being a Jew other than one who follows Judaism. But people seem to label them as some sort of entirely distinct race.

having a jewish mother
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 16 2011 20:29 GMT
#119
This makes me embarrassed to be both conservative and American... I disown these people
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