EPTRaped, impregnated, then jailed - Page 2
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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Ixas
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
“If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days." Did he ever pay the girl's father the silver he owed him? Religious laws are so stupid. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 23 2011 20:41 Sickkiee wrote: Hence the backwardness state that the Middle East is in (no offence, just an observation). Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. It is located in South Asia. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:04 Ixas wrote: Would it be workings of Islam and the Sharia court or a flawed judiciary of a patriarchy? That is exactly what a Sharia court is about. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:05 Aeres wrote: As much as this churns my guts to read, I can't help but feel that there are better places to post such articles. There's only one side to the argument; who's reading this going, "Yeah, I think it was a good choice to jail the woman who got raped"? No point to a news article here if you can't debate it. I agree to 50%. The remaining 50% would be to discuss if there is a "systemical" thing wrong with this culture who can allow such "laws" to be in effect. One basic thing that we can learn from history is that no legal system normally prevails for long if there's overwhelming resitance against it in society. Best example, the middle ages: everybody believed that everything the church told them was true. As soon as people started realizing that science isn't necessarily 100% evil, the system started to fade. Which leaves the question: how can a society allow for such atrocities to be called "law"? This is NOT just one crazy-ass bastard going on a killing spree in a ground school...this is frickin LAW in this country. Why isn't there a huge outrage among the people there? Are they "really" satisfied with such...."justice"....? | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:08 Redox wrote: Afghanistan is not in the Middle East. It is located in South Asia. "Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East.[7][8]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) | ||
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Ryndika
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:10 sleepingdog wrote: I agree to 50%. The remaining 50% would be to discuss if there is a "systemical" thing wrong with this culture who can allow such "laws" to be in effect. One basic thing that we can learn from history is that no legal system normally prevails for long if there's overwhelming resitance against it in society. Best example, the middle ages: everybody believed that everything the church told them was true. As soon as people started realizing that science isn't necessarily 100% evil, the system started to fade. Which leaves the question: how can a society allow for such atrocities to be called "law"? This is NOT just one crazy-ass bastard going on a killing spree in a ground school...this is frickin LAW in this country. Why isn't there a huge outrage among the people there? Are they "really" satisfied with such...."justice"....? Fair enough. Your point is quite valid, but unfortunately, the OP isn't really set up to make this sort of debate. I think it focuses too much on this particular case, and not the state of Afghan law as a whole, which really would be an interesting thing to discuss. Hopefully, mizU will update the OP and we can get some substantial, quality conversation going on here. I retract my previous post. You win, sleepingdog.  | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:14 Aeres wrote: Fair enough. Your point is quite valid, but unfortunately, the OP isn't really set up to make this sort of debate. I think it focuses too much on this particular case, and not the state of Afghan law as a whole, which really would be an interesting thing to discuss. Hopefully, mizU will update the OP and we can get some substantial, quality conversation going on here. I retract my previous post. You win, sleepingdog. It's in the article if you read the bottom. The EU said it was concerned about the safety of the women in the film: they could be identified and might face reprisals. The filmmakers however suspect -- citing an email leaked from the EU delegation -- that the EU might also be motivated by its sensitive relationship with Afghan justice institutions, since he film shows the Afghan justice system in a very unflattering light. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:11 blackone wrote: "Afghanistan Listeni/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country located in the centre of Asia, forming South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East.[7][8]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) Thats a crap definition that only exist becuase of the stupid bush administration and their idea of the "greater middle east" but what ever. Yes this is disgusting. Hopely we can gain something from this tragedy by having more people become aware of the fact that millions of people around the world are still being ruled by strict religous law. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 23 2011 21:07 Tachion wrote: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days." Did he ever pay the girl's father the silver he owed him? Religious laws are so stupid. Yeah, it is kind of funny how Jewish/Christian people can be so critical of this practice and yet not remember that their own religion says this too, they're just ignoring it. Anyway, it is sad for it to have happened in this day and age but people need to remember the culture they live in. If you lived 1000 years ago, I doubt you'd find it that uncommon or even bad. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On November 23 2011 20:40 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well, I've seen quite a few topic here in teamliquid where some people would systematically take the defense of rapists rather than their victims. Afghanistan is screwed. When traditions are more important than the most elementary justice, there is not much to be done except fighting. That's what I meant to say last year when I got banned =3. Instead (in the context of the US presence there) I exaggeratedly said, "we'd probably be better off nuking that shithole." Lesson learned. I guess I'll just stick with a +1. Ughhhhh T_T | ||
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
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TheBomb
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But its a whole culture there that needs changing and the only way to do it, is by the Afghans themselves. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On November 23 2011 20:43 DarkRise wrote: Wow really? The problem is that she didn't report it so ofc it was consented as mutual and not RAPE. But still the laws are so silly and disgusting. Although i would like to have a law that prosecute adultery here in US and not just get away with "divorce". People should get imprisoned for having consentual sex? Sounds to me like you should move to Afghanistan then. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Jesus Christ, how is this even fair? | ||
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