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On November 23 2011 22:19 Nothingtosay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. All of those things are disgusting and should not be tolerated. Of course we have problems with out culture aswell, I for one think that death penalty is ridiculous, also I don't understand how gay marriage is still illegal etc....... You don't HAVE to tolerate other cultures, you can be reasonable, when you see something like this and be RIGHTFULLY DISGUSTED.
You see, if you understand what you are saying, at its deepest discursive level, you would have avoided using the word "tolerate". It is such a philosophically loaded word dripping with false assumptions, and at worse, misguided moral perspective that, if you notice, no public intellectual, no matter how liberal, uses it in public discourse... since the 90s maybe.
And who decides if something is worth being "rightfully disgusted" about or not?
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wow...what a way to start a morning. I feel bad for this girl. She had absolutely no control in the situation. Surely there is some way to persecute the rapist.
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That is one of the more ridiculous reads lately for sure...
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On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself.
In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference.
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On November 23 2011 22:24 Nothingtosay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. While you're calling us culturally ignorant you might want realize that those tribes that have that disgusting semen ritual are from papau new guinea not "Africa". If you're going to insult us for being intolerant you could atleast be correct and not a hypocrite.
See. This is the danger of opening your mouth. Now everyone knows you don't know what you are talking about. What about sticking to your ID now... less harm for you.
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[QUOTE]On November 23 2011 22:19 Nothingtosay wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself.[/QUOTE]
Ignorance or unchecked elitism? Are you serious? What is wrong with you? There's a line where your "culture" is no longer an excuse. If the Germans had just kept their extermination of the Jews in Germany would that be fine? It would be their culture. The moral ambiguity of some people is staggering. For the world to ever move forward there has to be some baseline of human decency. To each their own but there has to be limits for fucks sake. If people don't speak out if everyone is silent about things in the name of "tolerance and culture" no progress will ever be made. Look at apartheid. It was eventually ended due to the world coming together and saying no. No we aren't going to trade with you. We aren't going to give you aid. We aren't going to work with you in anyway till you fix these abuses.
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That's just so tragic . . . the twisted sick irony in this is mortifying.
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On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam
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On November 23 2011 22:31 TheLOLas wrote:
wow...what a way to start a morning. I feel bad for this girl. She had absolutely no control in the situation. Surely there is some way to persecute the rapist. Welcome to Islam (when implemented correctly according to the Hadiths and Qu'ran.
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Things like this make me crazy and shows the folly of cultural relativism. There are absolute rights and wrongs and a culture that supports things like this is just plain wrong.
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On November 23 2011 22:44 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:31 TheLOLas wrote:
wow...what a way to start a morning. I feel bad for this girl. She had absolutely no control in the situation. Surely there is some way to persecute the rapist. Welcome to Islam (when implemented correctly according to the Hadiths and Qu'ran.
The Rapist is probably angry for his victim putting shame on his family. He's probably being celebrated as a True Muslim *TM*
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And in the west women complain about not having more rights than men. Well ...
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On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam
You could substitute 'muslim' for 'christian' and then 'white people' for 'non-christian' and have an equally objective descreption of bible believing christians.
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On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam
On November 23 2011 22:44 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:31 TheLOLas wrote:
wow...what a way to start a morning. I feel bad for this girl. She had absolutely no control in the situation. Surely there is some way to persecute the rapist. Welcome to Islam (when implemented correctly according to the Hadiths and Qu'ran.
Well my own kid's nurse is actually muslim. Like going to the mosque and all. I don't exactly feel like she or her family has been taught from young that i'm "just dirt". Your ignorance is sickening.
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On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself.
Umm no I feel 100% confident that there is moral high ground here to take and a clear judgement to make. This new age cultural relativism is plain moronic.
You are just wrong here Zvek 100% wrong there are absolute wrongs and rights. I think we can all agree that killing someone who is not threat to you for fun would be wrong, even if it was normal in a society (lets say nazi germany), from there we can take a short walk to putting someone in prison for being raped. Yes it is wrong
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On November 23 2011 22:51 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam You could substitute 'muslim' for 'christian' and then 'white people' for 'non-christian' and have an equally objective descreption of bible believing christians. Yes for the destruction/judgement part, no for everything else. God wants all to come to repentance. And the God of this universe is not some detached God who doesn't care about anything (islamic Allah) but one who came to earth to be ridiculed by those who sinned against Him, scourged, and pay for our sins on the cross. One whose name is Love. One who created the world in love and made us in His image.
The islamic Allah for anyone who is well versed in the Qu'ran, is not a loving God. Nor did he create us in his image. He is described as an impersonal God, detached emotionally, unreachable, indescribable and like no human. To say otherwise is blasphemy. He also does not have a definite way of dealing with sin, but arbitrarily lets people up into heaven, others into destruction. a muslim is not guaranteed salvation. His best hope is to follow the pillars and do his prayers every day and hope Allah has mercy on him.
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On November 23 2011 22:54 Kerm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:44 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 22:31 TheLOLas wrote:
wow...what a way to start a morning. I feel bad for this girl. She had absolutely no control in the situation. Surely there is some way to persecute the rapist. Welcome to Islam (when implemented correctly according to the Hadiths and Qu'ran. Well my own kid's nurse is actually muslim. Like going to the mosque and all. I don't exactly feel like she or her family has been taught from young that i'm "just dirt". Your ignorance is sickening. Says the French man whose country is.... crumbling? with immigration problems? Says Europe which will accuse ANYONE who speaks against the evils of Islam and label them "islamophobe"? There are muslims and there are muslims. There are muslims like ones in Iran who simply don't care about any of it but see it as culture. Then there are wahhabi's and those who correctly interpret the qu'ran. There are liberal muslims just as there are liberal Christians. I must clarify that I am referring to the ones who follow the qu'ran and it's hadiths to the word. Not the liberal muslims who think it's just all culture and eeeeh haaaaaa whatever.
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On November 23 2011 22:58 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:51 Vorenius wrote:On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam You could substitute 'muslim' for 'christian' and then 'white people' for 'non-christian' and have an equally objective descreption of bible believing christians. Yes for the destruction/judgement part, no for everything else. God wants all to come to repentance. And the God of this universe is not some detached God who doesn't care about anything (islamic Allah) but one who came to earth to be ridiculed by those who sinned against Him, scourged, and pay for our sins on the cross. One whose name is Love. One who created the world in love and made us in His image. The islamic Allah for anyone who is well versed in the Qu'ran, is not a loving God. Nor did he create us in his image. He is described as an impersonal God, detached emotionally, unreachable, indescribable and like no human. To say otherwise is blasphemy. He also does not have a definite way of dealing with sin, but arbitrarily lets people up into heaven, others into destruction. a muslim is not guaranteed salvation. His best hope is to follow the pillars and do his prayers every day and hope Allah has mercy on him.
Hail Satan.
Sorry, there's no way this guy is serious and I figured I would add to the ridiculousness.
At any rate, this is a prime example of a backwards culture. Really, there's nothing we can do to stop it short of annexing Afghanistan and bringing them McDonalds and Hummers (both kinds).
Horrible? Totally. Stupid? Even more so.
If you're looking for a great example of culturally-bound oppression, look no further.
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On November 23 2011 22:58 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 22:51 Vorenius wrote:On November 23 2011 22:42 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 22:34 CaptainCrush wrote:On November 23 2011 22:14 Zvek wrote:
What is disgusting is all the posters here on TL taking the "moral high ground".
Really, what do we/you know about culture/justice? I say they can handle on their own. Our disgust over it, no matter what it is, is a product of ignorance, or worse unchecked elitism. This cultural difference occur everywhere, why should Afganistan be singled out? In the USA, you can divorce, which is totally inhumane and completely idiotic for the Arabs. Not to mention all the wars the US has started in the name of "democracy". In some tribes in Africa, the boys are introduced to adulthood by making them have sex with their sisters, and drink the semen of older men.
Let them solve their "situation/problem". Keep your judgment to yourself. In all the time I have spent browsing team liquid, this is one of the most uneducated and ridiculously WRONG posts I have seen. Wrong on so many places that I dont even know where to start....You may actually be part of the problem if you think this is just an example of a cultural difference. So then CaptainCrush, what is your solution? Tell those countries Shari'a laws are wrong? Good luck. Good luck as a Dhimmi who has somehow subverted his position in their ideal islamic society and oppressed the Righteous muslims (for muslims see white people as a collective, as an entire Christian kingdom which has subjugated the muslim world for a long time). You most likely are not Christian (95% of TL-ers are not bible believing Christians). But they see you as one. And they think you're just dirt. You will be destroyed in the end. Muslims are taught from young that Islam and Allah are the truth. Everything else is false, lesser and demonic. Allah will destroy all the pigs (Jews and ChristiansWhite people) in the end. : )) Welcome to Islam You could substitute 'muslim' for 'christian' and then 'white people' for 'non-christian' and have an equally objective descreption of bible believing christians. Yes for the destruction/judgement part, no for everything else. God wants all to come to repentance. And the God of this universe is not some detached God who doesn't care about anything (islamic Allah) but one who came to earth to be ridiculed by those who sinned against Him, scourged, and pay for our sins on the cross. One whose name is Love. One who created the world in love and made us in His image. The islamic Allah for anyone who is well versed in the Qu'ran, is not a loving God. Nor did he create us in his image. He is described as an impersonal God, detached emotionally, unreachable, indescribable and like no human. To say otherwise is blasphemy. He also does not have a definite way of dealing with sin, but arbitrarily lets people up into heaven, others into destruction. a muslim is not guaranteed salvation. His best hope is to follow the pillars and do his prayers every day and hope Allah has mercy on him.
With the post (can't find it for the life of me LOL) of which you said Muslims think of white people etc as dirt.
To an extent, I think that's true also. Obviously, the ones raised in Australia, America etc won't certainly have that mindset, but if you go over to Afghanistan or of the likes, I do think that is the sentiment they have of us.
I also do know a few Muslims in my area that think like that. That Christians ( I am Roman Catholic, however not believing) will all go to hell, regardless if you believe or not. That is a negative aspect of their faith, no matter how people spin it.
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