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On November 03 2011 21:36 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:21 PolSC2 wrote:
Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child." Hey guys, the clinical instructor in psychology and child abuse expert has spoken. Thread is over. If there is one man you can count on for an unbiased, well-researched opinion, it's got to be the child abuse expert.
I really have to ask this... are you an idiot?
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On November 03 2011 21:39 PolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:36 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:21 PolSC2 wrote:
Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child." Hey guys, the clinical instructor in psychology and child abuse expert has spoken. Thread is over. If there is one man you can count on for an unbiased, well-researched opinion, it's got to be the child abuse expert. I really have to ask this... are you an idiot?
No.
Do you ask a hairdresser if you need a haircut?
Do you ask a stock broker where you should invest your money?
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On November 03 2011 21:24 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:
Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ?
I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing. Are they really? I personally do not care what his cultural or religious beliefs are, what he is doing to his daughter is unacceptable and wrong. I'm shocked to read people in this thread are actually defending him. I can understand it if people think of disciplinary spanking as acceptable, but I hope you realize this was not disciplinary spanking but plain abuse. No father who loves his children would batter them while they scream in agony. It's disgusting.
Where do you see me defending him, narrow-minded and mentally challenged fellow human ?
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On November 03 2011 20:49 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok. Why are you assuming you know the whole story. Maybe she had done other things in the past, maybe she was forbidden to play on her computer. Maybe we shouldn't talk about things we don't know anything about.
Because "the whole story" doesn't matter. There is no imaginable context or background or story that can make this in any way acceptable. No matter what she had done in the past, it still won't be enough to justify it.
We aren't talking about things we don't know anything about - we're talking about the things we know everything about, which is what can be seen by everyone in the video.
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On November 03 2011 19:11 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:02 judochopaction wrote:On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote:On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this. yeah she needed some discipline, not ABUSE you idiots respect opinions please
What a waste of a post.
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On November 03 2011 20:07 ninini wrote:
I can't believe ppl are still discussing this. If you hit someone, it's assault. If you hit a child it's much much worse than that, because children are defenseless. To abuse your child is much worse than to abuse your wife. And why is that? Your wife is an adult and she can opt to leave you if she wish to do so. A child can't do that.
can't get more Q.E.D. than this quote right here.
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On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this.
Who doesn't get this?
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On November 03 2011 21:41 Nash wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:39 PolSC2 wrote:On November 03 2011 21:36 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:21 PolSC2 wrote:
Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child." Hey guys, the clinical instructor in psychology and child abuse expert has spoken. Thread is over. If there is one man you can count on for an unbiased, well-researched opinion, it's got to be the child abuse expert. I really have to ask this... are you an idiot? No. Do you ask a hairdresser if you need a haircut? Do you ask a stock broker where you should invest your money?
I have to wonder how you become an expert in child abuse though. I know you don't become an expert hairdresser without cutting hair.
+ Show Spoiler +Do not take this seriously.
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On November 03 2011 11:26 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:19 SilentchiLL wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Egyptian_Head wrote:On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote:
smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this. Happened 7 years ago I believe, the kid doesn't live with her parents, she has her own income now. The games she pirated were not available for purchase at the time. Thats what the youtube description says. Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything. Maybe she knew what would be coming, the punishment doesn't always follow immedeatly after the "crime" is found out, maybe her mother found out what she was doing and told her that she'll tell her father when he'll be back from work in the evening. I mean it would have seemed better if she had just bent over the bed. From a third person perspective this is clearly the optimal short term solution.
But when you're extremely emotional the optimal self-maximizing solution is not always apparent.
"She is without a doubt provoking her parents. " "By refusing to obey."
Ridiculous.
"Now personally I think she is in the right refusing, I have no problem with hitting a child as punishment but a 16 year old is not a child. "
Do you possess any evidence that hitting a child has any positive effects, and that it's not simply assault?
"But it is something to think about, she planted the camera, she is intentionally inflaming the situation, is it a stretch to think she might be exaggerating everything a little? Don't get me wrong I do think the parents are way out of line and something should be done to them. But it is something to consider all the same."
What is your evidence? Please support your claims of fact with some evidence.
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On November 03 2011 21:44 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:11 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:On November 03 2011 19:02 judochopaction wrote:On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote:On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this. yeah she needed some discipline, not ABUSE you idiots respect opinions please What a waste of a post.
What a double waste of a post...
AH FUCK! I just made it triple! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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On November 03 2011 21:51 Egyptian_Head wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:41 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:39 PolSC2 wrote:On November 03 2011 21:36 Nash wrote:On November 03 2011 21:21 PolSC2 wrote:
Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child." Hey guys, the clinical instructor in psychology and child abuse expert has spoken. Thread is over. If there is one man you can count on for an unbiased, well-researched opinion, it's got to be the child abuse expert. I really have to ask this... are you an idiot? No. Do you ask a hairdresser if you need a haircut? Do you ask a stock broker where you should invest your money? I have to wonder how you become an expert in child abuse though. I know you don't become an expert hairdresser without cutting hair. + Show Spoiler +Do not take this seriously.
Hmm, now that I think about it I could be a pretty good child abuse expert.
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On November 03 2011 21:51 arbitrageur wrote:
From a third person perspective this is clearly the optimal short term solution.
But when you're extremely emotional the optimal self-maximizing solution is not always apparent.
if she wasn't recording at the time you might have a point. The fact is she knowing recorded the event with the purpose of gathering evidence against her father. You cannot assume she is a neutral agent in this, despite her parents being the ones at fault. She had intention here, that intention was not to avoid being beaten, why record not being beaten? She wanted proof her father was abusing her, I cannot help but think that is exactly what she set out to provide.
On November 03 2011 21:51 arbitrageur wrote:
"She is without a doubt provoking her parents. " "By refusing to obey."
This is called a non-sequitur. The latter does not constitute evidence for the claim you've made.
Makes sense to me. Your parents tell you to do something, you disobey, they get more mad. Its how the world works.
On November 03 2011 21:51 arbitrageur wrote:
"Now personally I think she is in the right refusing, I have no problem with hitting a child as punishment but a 16 year old is not a child. "
Do you possess any evidence that hitting a child has any positive effects, and that it's not simply assault?
Thousands of years of humans turning out pretty ok with a sense of discipline. That doesn't mean it is the best method, but if you are seriously going to claim that there is no benefit at all I don't have time for you.
On November 03 2011 21:51 arbitrageur wrote:
"But it is something to think about, she planted the camera, she is intentionally inflaming the situation, is it a stretch to think she might be exaggerating everything a little? Don't get me wrong I do think the parents are way out of line and something should be done to them. But it is something to consider all the same."
What is your evidence? Please support your claims of fact with some evidence.
She planted the camera, obvious fact is obvious. She was in possession of the video, what more do you want?..
She was intentionally inflaming the situation - read above the stuff about intention. Its not proof but you cannot have 100% proof in things like this. It is enough to cast suspicion.
About her exaggerating, same as above..
If you want 100% proof you are clearly trolling as there is no such thing in this context. All I can do is provide some reasoning which is suggestive of what happened. It does not mean that it did happen as you can read in the spoiled part. I am simply giving a possible version of events which does not cast the victim as guiltless.
My previous post is in spoilers which most of this comes directly from
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I don't see how the positions are contradictory. They go hand in hand.
Maybe clearly is a little to strong but that is truly what it looks like to me. It looks like the girl did something she knew would lead to her getting beaten, then further inflamed the situation with the intention of making her farther over react and quiet possibly acted over the top. As I said no excuse for the parents behavior, but that is what it looks like to me.
As for your first point, if she wasn't recording at the time you might have a point. The fact is she knowing recorded the event with the purpose of gathering evidence against her father. You cannot assume she is a neutral agent in this, despite her parents being the ones at fault. She had intention here, that intention was not to avoid being beaten, why record not being beaten? She wanted proof her father was abusing her, I cannot help but think that is exactly what she set out to provide. But just to ensure no one misunderstands, even if everything I have said is true and hell it probably isn't not everyone would do it as I would that cannot excuse the behavior of her parents and they should be punished.
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On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:52 voy wrote:
I'm sorry but in my opinion there is nothig a child can do to deserve such phisical punishment. Were not living in 19th century anymore. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:55 Slipspace wrote:
so theres a situation where some issue revolving around a computer makes it ok to pull out a belt and lash at your child over and over again with a belt? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:57 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
theres nothing a child can do to deserve a beating if child does somethink wrong parents are guilty not the child Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ? I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing.
didn't realize telling others they shouldnt beat their children makes me a paragon of morality
this a joke post? or are you serious? LOL
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How can anyone even consider a child abuse victim as "not guiltless"?
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Had to quit watching after he started lashing at her legs, my parents did this shit to me when I was a child. So wrong on many levels.
I can understand you need to discipline your children but this isn't the way to do it.. Kids never forget shit like this.
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On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this.
discipline would of been taking the internet away or restricting computer access. This is just mindless brutality if you think beating a child senselessly for downloading music or games counts as discipline, then I would hate to have you as a parent.
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Why is this filmed in the first place? Was this a prepared incident from the daughter maybe? Did she know what will makes her father going to hit her and how did this leak anyway? Was this an act of vengeance from the girl?
And i have to agree to the general opinion: The father is an asshole. If those people are the Judges in Texas , the spines of the judical system then i don't know what to say.... I mean if a man can't feel mercy for his own daughter, how can he judge in an objective and not excessive manner when strangers are the subject of the discussion.... Poor Texas, Poor U.S.A.
But is it just me, or is the girl a bit exegerating infront of the camera, doing some extra crying show, cause ive been beating way worse when i was like 7 or 8 in school or when i played with the wrong kids and i did not scream and cry or at least this heavily
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On November 03 2011 22:12 PolSC2 wrote:
How can anyone even consider a child abuse victim as "not guiltless"?
Depends if a child made there parents life a living hell for 16 years are they guiltless? I don't think they are guiltless. I don't think anything should be done to them really but they certainly contributed to it happening if they intentionally provoked there parents for that length of time.
Pleas note I am not talking about this particular case, this is just an example in general. Parents are not super human they have limits. If a child is aware of this limits and continues to push at them they share a little guilt.
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