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On November 03 2011 20:07 ninini wrote:
I can't believe ppl are still discussing this. If you hit someone, it's assault. If you hit a child it's much much worse than that, because children are defenseless. To abuse your child is much worse than to abuse your wife. And why is that? Your wife is an adult and she can opt to leave you if she wish to do so. A child can't do that. A child, living in a abusive home is trapped. He/she doesn't have the option of moving out. You don't own a child, so you can't do whatever you wish with it. You own the welfare of it, which means you have to make sure that the child is eating well, gets education and is feeling safe. Corporal punishment have no part in that, not even the less excessive kind.
There are so many creative ways you can teach your children, if you just use your brain. I hate the word discipline when it involves parenting, because it assumes that the parent is right, and we know that is not always the case, and most of the time a compromise is the real answer. For instance, if a parent complains that the child plays too much video games, don't ban games entirely, but try to decrease it to a more healthy level.
Teach your children, encourage them to think for themselves and help them by influencing them with ideas that stems from your own experience, logics and morals. If you teach a child to fear you, you fail as a parent and as a human being, because they have learned to fear superiors rather than learning what they did wrong.
Welcome to the 21st century!
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok.
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She had 16 years old, she was old enough to defend herself
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On November 03 2011 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok.
Why are you assuming you know the whole story. Maybe she had done other things in the past, maybe she was forbidden to play on her computer. Maybe we shouldn't talk about things we don't know anything about.
But you certainly are very judgmental.
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On November 03 2011 20:49 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok. Why are you assuming you know the whole story. Maybe she had done other things in the past, maybe she was forbidden to play on her computer. Maybe we shouldn't talk about things we don't know anything about. But you certainly are very judgmental.
I'm sorry but in my opinion there is nothig a child can do to deserve such phisical punishment. Were not living in 19th century anymore.
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On November 03 2011 20:49 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok. Why are you assuming you know the whole story. Maybe she had done other things in the past, maybe she was forbidden to play on her computer. Maybe we shouldn't talk about things we don't know anything about. But you certainly are very judgmental.
so theres a situation where some issue revolving around a computer makes it ok to pull out a belt and lash at your child over and over again with a belt?
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On November 03 2011 20:49 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:08 kellymilkies wrote:
Wait what, there are people in this thread that actually thinks this is ok?
I don't even know what to say. If you think this is ok, you are not ok. Why are you assuming you know the whole story. Maybe she had done other things in the past, maybe she was forbidden to play on her computer. Maybe we shouldn't talk about things we don't know anything about. But you certainly are very judgmental.
theres nothing a child can do to deserve a beating if child does somethink wrong parents are guilty not the child
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On November 03 2011 19:11 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:02 judochopaction wrote:On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote:On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this. yeah she needed some discipline, not ABUSE you idiots respect opinions please
Sorry, I CANNOT respect child abusers, or people who think it is okay to abuse a child like this. They are pathetic and sick individuals.
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On November 03 2011 20:52 voy wrote:
I'm sorry but in my opinion there is nothig a child can do to deserve such phisical punishment. Were not living in 19th century anymore.
On November 03 2011 20:55 Slipspace wrote:
so theres a situation where some issue revolving around a computer makes it ok to pull out a belt and lash at your child over and over again with a belt?
On November 03 2011 20:57 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
theres nothing a child can do to deserve a beating if child does somethink wrong parents are guilty not the child
Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ?
I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing.
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Dude like alright if he didn't go all out but this guy fucking mashed the belt against that poor girl wtf full force
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On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:52 voy wrote:
I'm sorry but in my opinion there is nothig a child can do to deserve such phisical punishment. Were not living in 19th century anymore. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:55 Slipspace wrote:
so theres a situation where some issue revolving around a computer makes it ok to pull out a belt and lash at your child over and over again with a belt? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:57 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
theres nothing a child can do to deserve a beating if child does somethink wrong parents are guilty not the child Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ? I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing.
cant think of any culture or religion wich says beat your child :D
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On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:52 voy wrote:
I'm sorry but in my opinion there is nothig a child can do to deserve such phisical punishment. Were not living in 19th century anymore. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:55 Slipspace wrote:
so theres a situation where some issue revolving around a computer makes it ok to pull out a belt and lash at your child over and over again with a belt? Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 20:57 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
theres nothing a child can do to deserve a beating if child does somethink wrong parents are guilty not the child Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ? I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing.
This isn't a matter of opinion. This is child abuse.
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no comment to this stuff -.- mad world
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Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child."
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Its funny with all the people who support abuse of children because they recieved it themselves while sounding like complete psychopaths. I wonder how much this guy understans about human emotions for example:
On November 03 2011 12:03 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:33 Bigtony wrote:On November 03 2011 09:54 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Lol at the people saying its "disgusting, horrible, despicable ect...". Its a beating what do you expect? Beatings aren't suppose to be pretty.What's funnier - for me at least- is that those posts are primarily coming from the US. It was a house RULE - no matter how stupid we make it out to be - it was put in place. She broke it - she got punished. The end.
Also this brought back memories. *Sigh* good times lol. I remember doing the exact same thing she did. Took 15-20 lickings to my legs because I wouldn't give my parents my ass to be beat. Legs hurt 10x more so I don't know why I ever did it. This isn't bad at all. There's really no mental scars. You'll be hurting for the next 2-3 days but really that's all. She's not even really crying at all towards the end. And the parents do explain why she got beat and why they were upset with her.
Its not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Last beating I had was 14. My younger sister was 16 because she did something really stupid. All in all instilled discipline/made me learn. Have nothing against my parents for beating me. 99% of the beatings I got I KNEW I did something wrong.
I'd say 75% of my CLOSE family members cousins/uncles/aunts are heavy into drugs or in prison doing LONG sentences. Varying from drug trafficking to killing of their wife. Grew up in a bad part of town. I remember hearing jokes when I was younger from family about me being beat with the belt by my dad and how they were going to send their kids to live with us so they would learn to behave. I actually thank my parents for beating me looking back at things and comparing myself to the people I grew up with that were never touched.
<3 Rearing the Asian stories btw. No offense my friend, but I don't think you ever got beat like that and then had your dad leave and then come back again because "he didn't get his real licks in." The guy is fucked up, period. He's also a "judge." Someone who attests to being of good moral character, sound mind, and clear judgement. You think that's what he was exercising in this situation? I don't think so. [...]I love this subject. My mother would beat me then my father would usually follow up because my mother didn't really have a good enough swing to really make me learn. And I wasn't beaten by just a belt. There were a variety of house hold items that were used. The thing that made you REALLY cry (not like in the video towards the end) was the vacuum cleaner power cord. You would hear it whistle through the air as it was coming down to meet your legs/ass cheek. It was a good idea to start crying as loud so you would get some mercy on the following 2 whippings. [...] I'm actually laughing right now - remembering how my mom would tell me: move your hand, move your hand or its going to be FOUR whippings instead of THREE. And I would actually move my hand an just take it. [...] The most creative way I heard was from a female friend and her mom. She would never hit her right away she would always tell her she would get a beating later on the day. Sometimes she would wait for her to shower and go in to beat her when she was in the middle of the shower. She told me the story laughing so I'm sure she's not emotionally scared. She told me she was maybe 9 or 10 at the time. My parents got beat 10x worse than whatever they did to me. They've told me and my grandparents have told me what they did to them. It's what you take from the beatings. I really don't see anything wrong in the video. What he said he said to add emphasis. What effect would this have if you said: I do this because I love you directly afterwards? Maybe the following day would of been nice, but now I'm running on a tangent. So... yeah. :p
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On November 03 2011 21:03 Otolia wrote:
Hello paragon of morality, how are you doing ?
I never said I condoned such treatment. It's a difficult subject to judge. Culture, religious beliefs are to be considered and I know nothing of that man. So I shut up instead of trying to impose my opinion to others like you are doing.
Are they really? I personally do not care what his cultural or religious beliefs are, what he is doing to his daughter is unacceptable and wrong. I'm shocked to read people in this thread are actually defending him. I can understand it if people think of disciplinary spanking as acceptable, but I hope you realize this was not disciplinary spanking but plain abuse. No father who loves his children would batter them while they scream in agony. It's disgusting.
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On November 03 2011 07:18 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:08 Zuxo wrote:On November 03 2011 06:52 ayaz2810 wrote:On November 03 2011 06:48 Cirn9 wrote:
Its just a spanking isn't it?
Not slapping her around and truly beating her.
Maybe I'm just old and things have changed a lot, but spankings weren't anything but a fast punishment for doing something bad. Fuck, when I was little, I'd rather be spanked than grounded, because then I could go back to playing right after the butthurt wore off.
EDIT: Fuck off E-sports elephant! My adblock is disabled! I don't mind a good old fashioned spanking. That being said, no one should be beating on a 16 year old. That's wrong in and of itself. Secondly, a spanking is supposed to be about correcting a behavior. This beating was about anger. Look at how he beats her across the legs and such. And the language he and the mother use. This was not just a punishment, this was them losing control. That's not acceptable at any age. EDIT: Go go internet white knights!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/2nd EDIT: Yes, I spank my kids. I think it's fine in extreme circumstances and in moderation. How is it okay hitting your kids? You are using a behavior that is extremely tribal and can not even be classified as civilized. Try using methods of raising your children that won't cause mental damage. Religion causes more damage to more people than I ever could. Talk about tribal. People will be outspoken about spanking, but not that garbage. Brool story co. On topic, I generally only use physical discipline in a few circumstances. For example, my kids bedroom and playroom are on the 2nd floor of my house. I've told my kids repeatedly not to touch the windows or the lock things that stop the window from being opened. On one occasion, I walked upstairs and found one of the windows unlocked and partially open. And you can bet that I dished out a spanking in that case. A little bit of pain to avoid a lot more is fine with me. It's a good way to get your point across when something is very serious. I know people like to think that all children can be reasoned with, and that anything that is important to you is important to them. That's just not the case. My kids are super smart, and very mature, but sometimes you just can't get a point across without drastic action. Love it or hate it, it works. EDIT: I was spanked as a child. I think it's fine. I don't suffer any ill effects. I'm married, have 2 great kids, and an IT job that pays well to go along with a college degree that I earned. I don't fault my parents for it at all. It helped greatly imo.
You know when a culture accepts child beating the child can probably grow up thinking it was no harm to them. However if the child gets beaten and then grows up and new laws passes etc. to prevent child abuse the child will get a different perspective. Good luck having a minimal relationship with your kids if you continue this shit. The fact that you think hitting a defenseless child is okay sickens me. Try using methods of teaching that is not on the level of a barbarian (would involve brain usage). Also sure religion is tribal I never fucking said it wasn't and it is hysterical that you are surprised that I get upset in a thread about a girl being beaten when you say that you are beating your children.
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Think I actually want to kill this guy. Under no circumstances is it OK to beat your child. Like under no circumstances it's OK to beat your wife or your boss or your neighbour. It's weird to read all the arguments for beatings in this thread. "She deserved it", "she needs to learn discipline", "she knew the rules" and so on. Well take away her computer, give her a mouthful, make her do chores, or preferably explain to her why you think what she's doing is wrong. The world truly is an ugly place.
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On November 02 2011 10:30 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
O.O Oh my god...
This guy's a judge?
Where is Aransas? I assume this refers to Aransas County in Texas.
I hate to say this, but after hearing this, it's hard to get these stereotypes out of my head now.
What the f* is wrong with these people.
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I don't really know what's more disturbing....the actual video or the amount of people that are trying to defend - to some extent - excessive physical punishment like it was displayed
to make it simple: hitting a child --> very bad
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On November 03 2011 21:21 PolSC2 wrote:
Jim Hopper, a clinical instructor in psychology at Harvard Medical School and a child abuse expert, said there is no doubt that the judge's actions crossed the line.
"This is an act of brutal violence," Hopper said.
"To beat someone into submission is not discipline. To beat a child into submission makes it harder for that child to take in rules and the values that the parent believes they are imposing on the child."
Hey guys, the clinical instructor in psychology and child abuse expert has spoken. Thread is over. If there is one man you can count on for an unbiased, well-researched opinion, it's got to be the child abuse expert.
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