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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:53 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote: well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this. | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
On November 03 2011 14:22 iCanada wrote: Having your kid come tell you that they were dishonest has nothing to do with whether or not you lay a hand on them or not. It has more to do with them respecting you, and believing that you can help them fix things. It is more an admission of guilt than a "you didn't hit me so I love you!" Case in point, I was spanked as a kid all the time and I did that on several occassions that I can recall, and I am sure many more. I also am a swimming instructor in which i would never think of laying a hand on a child, and I have had multiple kids tell me they lied about something insignificant while feeling real guilty about it. One kid broke out into tears because he told me his favorite color was green instead of blue. Does that mean I am a successful parent despite not even having kids of my own? You can get spanked and still feel respected and loved. I know for a fact I wont hit my kids, but I also know it is a complete and utter fallacy to say that you can't love someone/thing that hits yous. Exactly.. people cannot get their head around the idea that maybe, just MAYBE, a loving parent can use corporal punishment. Someone mentioned earlier that the moment you use physical punishment, you have failed as a parent. Yea, lets just say every asian parents from the last generation failed. Its like people watch videos like this and hear stories of domestic abuse and connect the dots blindly. There can be a debate on how much force is acceptable, but the biggest thing to note is that there is a difference between domestic abuse (this video and every other shit you see recorded), and corporal punishment. You just dont hear about corporal punishment on the news because the father isnt some sociopath and the family loves each other. | ||
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judochopaction
United States533 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote: THANK YOU. I'll never understand why people don't get this. yeah she needed some discipline, not ABUSE you idiots | ||
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MuATaran
Canada231 Posts
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MassacrisM
United Kingdom149 Posts
I hope that judge is proud of what he did, cuz the Internet itself is coming to get him. What a maggot. | ||
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:02 judochopaction wrote: yeah she needed some discipline, not ABUSE you idiots respect opinions please | ||
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Maenander
Germany4923 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:59 gameguard wrote: Exactly.. people cannot get their head around the idea that maybe, just MAYBE, a loving parent can use corporal punishment. Someone mentioned earlier that the moment you use physical punishment, you have failed as a parent. Yea, lets just say every asian parents from the last generation failed. Its like people watch videos like this and hear stories of domestic abuse and connect the dots blindly. There can be a debate on how much force is acceptable, but the biggest thing to note is that there is a difference between domestic abuse (this video and every other shit you see recorded), and corporal punishment. You just dont hear about corporal punishment on the news because the father isnt some sociopath and the family loves each other. Of course parents can be good and loving people and still use outdated methods of education (although in this case I see a certain level of sadism in the parents I could never forgive them). Good people used torture in the justice system when it was widely accepted and good people burned witches when their existence was widely accepted. Morals change over time, and for the better. The point is, we know better now than to use corporal punishment as a means of education, which is why this practice has been outlawed in many countries. More will follow, and who knows, one day even the majority of asian parents might give up on this outdated concept. | ||
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Darkalbino
Australia410 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:59 gameguard wrote: Exactly.. people cannot get their head around the idea that maybe, just MAYBE, a loving parent can use corporal punishment. Someone mentioned earlier that the moment you use physical punishment, you have failed as a parent. Yea, lets just say every asian parents from the last generation failed. Its like people watch videos like this and hear stories of domestic abuse and connect the dots blindly. There can be a debate on how much force is acceptable, but the biggest thing to note is that there is a difference between domestic abuse (this video and every other shit you see recorded), and corporal punishment. You just dont hear about corporal punishment on the news because the father isnt some sociopath and the family loves each other. Yeah i can say without a shadow of a doubt in my mind that if you if anyway use physical punishment, you are a bad parent.Just because you cant get your own fucking kid to listen you, doesnt make it acceptable to beat the kid, it only makes you a bad parent. And then yeah, if thats the case with every asian parent i would say that they have failed. Their kids turned out fined, i turned out fine, which one of us do you think felt the safest and most comfortable at home? Edit: You can of course fail on very many different levels, some worse than other.. but i still stand by my point of that you fail as a parent if you use physical punishment. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:30 DystopiaX wrote: Personally I think that it would have been ok had the punishment not been so severe. I personally don't believe in spanking your child, but your choice is your choice and hey, plenty of people go through that punishment with no long-term issues. I don't think "should I beat children or not" should be a valid choice. The idea that parents own their children is absurd. Children are human beings with human rights, and their parents are responsible for their well-being. The only time you should be able to whip another human being is if it's a consenting adult who agreed to it. Having a functional reproductive system does not make you special, and you shouldn't be able to beat your children, or refuse them proper education or medical treatment because you have wacky, outdated ideas about things. | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:15 Maenander wrote: Of course parents can be good and loving people and still use outdated methods of education (although in this case I see a certain level of sadism in the parents I could never forgive them). Good people used torture in the justice system when it was widely accepted and good people burned witches when their existence was widely accepted. Morals change over time, and for the better. The point is, we know better now than to use corporal punishment as a means of education, which is why this practice has been outlawed in many countries. More will follow, and who knows, one day even the majority of asian parents might give up on this outdated concept. Yea i have no doubt about that. Like i said earlier its already changing in asia. Teachers cant hit kids anymore, and Im pretty sure starting with this generation, it will be unusual for parents to use these methods. | ||
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Mooneyes
Sweden72 Posts
It doesnt matter weather this was repeated abuse or one time action. This was basicly assault ("misshandel" in swedish.) As i wrote in my first post: On November 03 2011 07:54 Mooneyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + This has nothing to do with discplinary action. @ 3:27 "beat you into submission!" According to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45135221/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TrHD4nLuvK0 he has confirmed that it is him and his daughter in the video and he claims he lost his temper and that he has apologized. If you do as in the video just because you lose your temper then your not fit for parenting. Incase anyone missed it. If you do as in the video just because you lose your temper then your not fit for parenting. --edit: added spoiler tag | ||
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nicknack
Australia189 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10180 Posts
On November 03 2011 19:32 nicknack wrote: my 2 cents, pretend it's not his daughter and I see a straight up case of assault. not to mention kidnapping | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:59 gameguard wrote: Exactly.. people cannot get their head around the idea that maybe, just MAYBE, a loving parent can use corporal punishment. Someone mentioned earlier that the moment you use physical punishment, you have failed as a parent. Yea, lets just say every asian parents from the last generation failed. Its like people watch videos like this and hear stories of domestic abuse and connect the dots blindly. There can be a debate on how much force is acceptable, but the biggest thing to note is that there is a difference between domestic abuse (this video and every other shit you see recorded), and corporal punishment. You just dont hear about corporal punishment on the news because the father isnt some sociopath and the family loves each other. Did you hear what the judge said after people are asking him about this? All he does is say what a hassle "the child" is. He cannot even see that beating his child (who happened to have ataxic cerebral palsy, not a huge deal, still a physical disability) is an issue. He would not even apologize if he wasn't in the spotlight because of Reddit. Its silly this guy is a judge and cannot take responsibility for his own actions without being blackmailed. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On November 03 2011 18:55 Perseverance wrote: How can you, someone who presumably wasn't beat as a child...have ANY say in what kids should or shouldn't receive punishment-wise? I can say that until I was 9 years old my mom never really beat me, and I was turning into a little shit. Then she remarried and suddenly ass-whoopin's from a 230 pound man were on the table. Almost overnight I turned into a respectable young lad, who always said "yes sir" and "yes ma'am" to my parents. Kids getting beat for breaking the law/disobeying their parents is a good thing. I wish more parents spanked their kids. So the end justify the means? You know, people can discipline kids without hitting them, because they actually know how to parent. Hard to understand i know. People who know way more about this than you or me have said that beating kids is not a good solution at all. So you're wrong. Unless you're going to disagree with science... | ||
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AirmaX
France10 Posts
Points that those "parents" forget : - she is a GIRL. Rule number one, you never beat a girl. - she is young : she will certainly have psychologic trauma after this type of episode. - she will be a mother one day : what will be the relation with her children ? I really dont care about this guy is a judge or selling peanuts .... You absolutely CAN'T beat child : all of prople i know were regulary beaten have some type of psychological desorders.... This video show are stupid and coward thoses parents are : using the force is the last thing you do when you dont have any other solution ... They are not raising child, they are killing the only piece of humanity they still have.... | ||
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SuitGuy
United States186 Posts
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
This guy needs to be put in jail forever. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
There are so many creative ways you can teach your children, if you just use your brain. I hate the word discipline when it involves parenting, because it assumes that the parent is right, and we know that is not always the case, and most of the time a compromise is the real answer. For instance, if a parent complains that the child plays too much video games, don't ban games entirely, but try to decrease it to a more healthy level. Teach your children, encourage them to think for themselves and help them by influencing them with ideas that stems from your own experience, logics and morals. If you teach a child to fear you, you fail as a parent and as a human being, because they have learned to fear superiors rather than learning what they did wrong. Welcome to the 21st century! | ||
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