On November 03 2011 13:01 Greater Knarloc wrote: Haha, some of the reasoning in this thread. "oh she got up for school the next day, see she's fine". Yeah, that somehow makes the fact that a parent beating their daughter just for being on the computer is somehow okay. There are a million other things he could have done to punish her for breaking a house rule.
If you automatically default to beating your child due to something like this, you're a shitty parent and most likely have mental (and anger) issues. No ifs/ands/buts about it.
In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
And in my experience all people who are for corporal punishment are lazy parents who have no idea how to discipline their child beyond "if you do that, i'll spank you!". See how it works?
A child needs to understand that they shouldn't do something because what they're doing is wrong, not because their parent will hit them afterwards. It teaches them nothing.
It teaches them that there is actual consequences for doing things that are wrong. Which is a pretty important life lesson that a lot of people never learn.
Haven't checked in this thread for awhile and I now there are more different people making the same dumb arguments. Again, even though you had the misfortune of getting your ass beat frequently and maybe even worse than this poor girl, does not mean it alright rofl.
It just means your parents are pieces of shits like this girl's dad. No one deserves to be beaten like that regardless of the reason. No amount of "oh this happens all the time" will justify that. So stop trying to fight a losing battle, it just makes you look bad.
On November 03 2011 13:01 Greater Knarloc wrote: A child needs to understand that they shouldn't do something because what they're doing is wrong, not because their parent will hit them afterwards. It teaches them nothing.
That's the fundamental problem with corporal punishment. It is merely a deterrence (and a shitty one at that) that does not teach the child anything about being good besides avoiding punishment.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 17 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You've completely misread the post somehow, even when you went through the effort to bold certain passages.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
Well I would like to say I'm a child from a two parent family who was corporately punished as a child. It did nothing but show me that sometimes violence is a good way to get your point across. With so many studies being done, its hard to believe that a rational person could corporately punish their child anymore. Is it innately wrong? I don't think so, but what happened in this video is.
I find it interesting that you say that you would get spanked up until a certain age. Which age is that? I'm not sure either, but 16 is probably past it. At that point, your spanking a (young) woman for punishment. 16 is to old to hit your female child. It makes you a bafoon to abuse your kids in this manner.
As you mentioned, the language is disconcerting as well. Mental abuse is indeed still a form of abuse.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 17 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You've completely misread the post somehow, even when you went through the effort to bold certain passages.
...true. Sorry about that. You sounded a lot like the guy who "gave up" a page ago.
On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote: smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this.
Happened 7 years ago I believe, the kid doesn't live with her parents, she has her own income now. The games she pirated were not available for purchase at the time. Thats what the youtube description says.
Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything.
Maybe she knew what would be coming, the punishment doesn't always follow immedeatly after the "crime" is found out, maybe her mother found out what she was doing and told her that she'll tell her father when he'll be back from work in the evening.
My concern is is she acting for the camera? Is she trying to make it seem worse than it is, I mean it would have seemed better if she had just bent over the bed. She is without a doubt provoking her parents. By refusing to obey. Now personally I think she is in the right refusing, I have no problem with hitting a child as punishment but a 16 year old is not a child. But it is something to think about, she planted the camera, she is intentionally inflaming the situation, is it a stretch to think she might be exaggerating everything a little? Don't get me wrong I do think the parents are way out of line and something should be done to them. But it is something to consider all the same.
Try beating somebody and and tell him that when he lays flat on the ground you will hurt him a little less and see how that works out, humans don't like to get beaten and if they aren't broken already they will choose the possibility which gives them the chance that they won't get hurt instead of the one where they KNOW that they will get beaten.
EDIT: and what happened to
"Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything."
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 7 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You need to step back a touch bro. All he said was that he is for Corporal punishment. He never says that the video is an example of good discipline, infact he says the exact opposite. I quote "The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline."
Personally, I don't think that bending a kid over my knee and hitting him does him any good in terms of how he is developing as a person. I think something like a quick poke/tug on the ear to get attentions has a use as a "hey you are doing something wrong, fix it..." but other than that I don't think hitting your kid really does anything. I mean, sure it can become a deterrent I suppose, but I think it is more prudent to set rewards for doing something instead.
For example, kid wants to watch TV? Well, he has to be respectful and show qualities to others/you that he wishes to be granted towards himself.
Thats not to say a kid shouldn't be taught that every action has a consequence, just there are different consequences than being bent over and physically beaten that I prefer.
On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote: smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this.
Happened 7 years ago I believe, the kid doesn't live with her parents, she has her own income now. The games she pirated were not available for purchase at the time. Thats what the youtube description says.
Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything.
Maybe she knew what would be coming, the punishment doesn't always follow immedeatly after the "crime" is found out, maybe her mother found out what she was doing and told her that she'll tell her father when he'll be back from work in the evening.
My concern is is she acting for the camera? Is she trying to make it seem worse than it is, I mean it would have seemed better if she had just bent over the bed. She is without a doubt provoking her parents. By refusing to obey. Now personally I think she is in the right refusing, I have no problem with hitting a child as punishment but a 16 year old is not a child. But it is something to think about, she planted the camera, she is intentionally inflaming the situation, is it a stretch to think she might be exaggerating everything a little? Don't get me wrong I do think the parents are way out of line and something should be done to them. But it is something to consider all the same.
Try beating somebody and and tell him that when he lays flat on the ground you will hurt him a little less and see how that works out, humans don't like to get beaten and if they aren't broken already they will choose the possibility which gives them the chance that they won't get hurt instead of the one where they KNOW that they will get beaten.
I concur. And the internal evidence form the video suggests she wasn't acting. The mother tries to stop the dad from spanking, as she "already did it once." Additionally, she discussed with her mom what was wronged and pleaded with her dad not to hit her. The dad came back "because he didn't get his good lickings in." She couldn't have faked that.
On November 03 2011 12:47 thirtythree wrote: Lotta people telling others how to raise their kids in this thread. I really hate to break it to a lot of you, but this isn't anywhere near as bad a punishment as millions of kids have received before. Kids who then grew up to be perfectly normal adults with no emotional scarring or whatever victim-identifying term you'd like to use. I know, hurr durr, still doesnt make it right. I'd just like to ask everyone throwing out so much judgement to put themselves in the shoes of these parents and ask yourselves if it's really so inconceivable to be pushed to this level by a disobedient teenage son or daughter.
Also wanted to restate that this guy is a judge and probably is acutely aware of the astronomical fines that can be imposed for movie piracy. You think your kid taking your lexus for a joyride and crashing it is expensive? It would be chump change compared to what these parents would be held responsible for if this girl had caused a successful lawsuit to be brought against the father.
Last thing I want to say is watch the end of the video. The girl is absolutely fine. She even has the presence of mind to worry about waking up on time for school the next day.
Nice argument, are you gonna argue that is alright to have a little boy in your household for "suspicious" reasons is alright because ancient Greeks did it before?
Guy is a judge, for me it's is unclear how person that must posses certain amount of common sense and intelligence to be a judge has ended up in the situation where he/she must hit their children.
Kids that being used as slave are absolutely fine too and can care less as long as they been told its normal.
Examples off the hook, but you gotta be freaking narrow minded if living in a developed country having a decent status you have to beat up your kids.
The girls 16 and is about to become an adult, shit like this completely destroys ones self-esteem and self-respect.
Not good parenting, not a great person.
However, that being said, unless this happened more than once, which could be possible, it can't be considered child abuse, there isn't really a reason to seriously punish the guy.
Sure he's a dumbass redneck who somehow is a judge, but there's a lot of worse parents out there. The girl has a room with lots of belongings and looks well fed, this might just be an extreme case.
Don't judge him too harshly for these 7 minutes, those of you who feel the need to physically harm the guy are ON THE SAME LEVEL HE IS.
I don't know how I personally feel about corporal punishment though, and if I posted it on here, I'd probably get trolled by people who are convinced that beating your children is the same as murder.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 7 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You need to step back a touch bro. All he said was that he is for Corporal punishment. He never says that the video is an example of good discipline, infact he says the exact opposite. I quote "The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline."
it's just a very uneducated opinion. If he doesnt know a thing about raising a kid he should read a book about it. You aren't asking your parents what medicine you should take if you are sick, do you? You probably go to a person that knows what he is doing - a doctor of course. The same thing should one do if he is going to have children - he should ask a person who knows what he is doing. As far as i know there isn't a single accredited book about raising a kid published after 1990's that suggests beating your kid.
The argument something is good because your parents did it to you is no argument. Also the argument that children that dont get beaten up will become bad people is just wrong, in fact its the other way around - kids that get hit by their parents in their childhood are more likely to commit crimes.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 7 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You need to step back a touch bro. All he said was that he is for Corporal punishment. He never says that the video is an example of good discipline, infact he says the exact opposite. I quote "The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline."
it's just a very uneducated opinion. If he doesnt know a thing about raising a kid he should read a book about it. You aren't asking your parents what medicine you should take if you are sick, do you? You probably go to a person that knows what he is doing - a doctor of course. The same thing should one do if he is going to have children - he should ask a person who knows what he is doing. As far as i know there isn't a single accredited book about raising a kid published after 1990's that suggests beating your kid.
The argument something is good because your parents did it to you is no argument. Also the argument that children that dont get beaten up will become bad people is just wrong, in fact its the other way around - kids that get hit by their parents in their childhood are more likely to commit crimes.
Why do you take everything so... black and white?
I'm not saying you are wrong or anything like that. All I said is that you weren't interpreting his post properly, and likely were in an angry irrational state.
On November 03 2011 12:59 Atreides wrote: This thread is dumb.
The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline. Don't personally see why it matters if the dude is some country judge. Imo the language from the father is far more objectionable then the actual "beating" which isn't that bad. Girl is being retarded.
The thing that gets me in this thread is the fact that it is 99% morons who just wholesale bash on corporal punishment. In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
I got spanked pretty rarely, my brother much more often. I will definitely spank my children.
Like anything, there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child.
This video isn't even criminal behaviour. Its stupid, but its just the dad being a loudmouth redneck dumbass, and the girl being a crybaby dramaqueen.
Edit: Really if the girl had just bent over with her hands on the bed taken 5 or so smacks on the butt, cried a little, talked with the dad, then hugged this obviously wouldn't be on youtube. And anyone who grew up with corporal punishment from reasonable parents thats pretty much how it goes. (And it IS more effective than removal of internet privileges or w/e since lets face it. Any 16 year old can just turn the router back on or whatever when parents aren't at home/use cell phone or something.
I mean, if my parents had told me. Do not pirate music/movies, and I got caught multiple times at it. I would have gotten spanked during a certain age period of my life.
Finally, put the computer in the family room or something similar. Kids don't need and shouldn't have computer in their room if you actually care what they do on it.
1. You will definitely strike your child 17+ times within the space of 7 minutes as hard as you can as you scream at them? Just want to confirm what you are saying. Explain to me how you think THIS VIDEO, THIS INSTANCE is an example of "good discipline."
2. So it's the child's fault that the ADULT went into a fit of rage? And that's ok too? You know how else this could not have gotten on youtube? If the ADULT had restrained himself after already hitting the CHILD (after she had already been punished earlier).
There is a huge gap between "there is a right way and a wrong way to discipline your child" and "this guy did nothing wrong trololol."
You need to step back a touch bro. All he said was that he is for Corporal punishment. He never says that the video is an example of good discipline, infact he says the exact opposite. I quote "The video is disturbing and pretty obviously an example of improper discipline."
it's just a very uneducated opinion. If he doesnt know a thing about raising a kid he should read a book about it. You aren't asking your parents what medicine you should take if you are sick, do you? You probably go to a person that knows what he is doing - a doctor of course. The same thing should one do if he is going to have children - he should ask a person who knows what he is doing. As far as i know there isn't a single accredited book about raising a kid published after 1990's that suggests beating your kid.
The argument something is good because your parents did it to you is no argument. Also the argument that children that dont get beaten up will become bad people is just wrong, in fact its the other way around - kids that get hit by their parents in their childhood are more likely to commit crimes.
you know the funny thing, people have been raising kids for millennia without using child rearing books. I dont plan to use any, ofcourse child rearing books wont suggest corporal punishment. They have to sell dont they, theres such a stigma around it,
This guy beating his kid is out of line sure, but that doesnt mean a smack here or there will destroy childrens futures. Its pretty straightforward reinforcement, it works
it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved.
On November 03 2011 13:53 idonthinksobro wrote: it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved.
I can't watch the vid because I am in China, but people here think differently. I could use the Tiger Mom thing as a reference.
On November 03 2011 13:53 idonthinksobro wrote: it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved.
you know I dont plan on hitting my kids or anything,I dont know how Ill go about it personally, I know I got hit when I did stupid shit like fight my sister or something really bad. Otherwise I just got scolded, but I guess skins dont really run thick anymore because kids even get medals for coming 10th out of 10 these days.
there was an argument similar to this that hitting kids is bad because theyll think by getting hit theyve paid their dues and can do bad shit again and just get beat again. What Id like to know is what kid would come and admit to lying about things when theres no reason for him to do it ? Rationaly theres absolutely no reason, There seems to be this stigma around in this netizen warrior community very few of whom if any have actually raised kids.
Not condoning beating kids or hanging them upside down, but a mild slap here or there for doing something outrageously bad after being told not to do it seems fair enough.
Additionaly I dont understand why when it comes to contentious issues with no overwhelmingly conclusive evidence to support either case why people can be so definite that their way is better and judging the morality of the way other cultures rear children. As far as im concerned all methods of child rearing have flaws, there is no single best way to raise your child.
Just have your kids use your judgement as a good human being on what you feel is necessary action. Your a good parent even if you whipped your kid as long as the kid grows up as a normal contributing functioning member of society. Im not talking about abuse here ofcourse.
the first thing I did when I earned my first paycheck was to send half of it to my parents and have an account setup for them. They dont even need it nor did they ask for it, their rich but I couldnt help myself, because I felt like everything ive done in my life was because of them. And yea I got hit preadolescence a fair bit. I did the whole crying I hate you mom/dad thing. Id like to know how many people would genuinely do something like that. Its more about the support system for me.
. (and please dont that columbia article again) I read it. Biggest waste of time in my life. Its a meta study that eventually goes and tells you what was wrong with all the studies it put together and how to "better" study the issue. Doesnt really say otherwise. Granted my reading was cursory at best so Ill admit to being wrong if someone can point it out.
On November 03 2011 13:01 Greater Knarloc wrote: Haha, some of the reasoning in this thread. "oh she got up for school the next day, see she's fine". Yeah, that somehow makes the fact that a parent beating their daughter just for being on the computer is somehow okay. There are a million other things he could have done to punish her for breaking a house rule.
If you automatically default to beating your child due to something like this, you're a shitty parent and most likely have mental (and anger) issues. No ifs/ands/buts about it.
In my experience virtually all people who are fundamentally opposed to corporal punishment are spoiled prick single children who weren't punished when they were kids and would be better people if they had.
And in my experience all people who are for corporal punishment are lazy parents who have no idea how to discipline their child beyond "if you do that, i'll spank you!". See how it works?
A child needs to understand that they shouldn't do something because what they're doing is wrong, not because their parent will hit them afterwards. It teaches them nothing.
It teaches them that there is actual consequences for doing things that are wrong. Which is a pretty important life lesson that a lot of people never learn.
Honestly if you need to resort to physical abuse in order to make that point, you need serious parenting help. While I've never been a parent, so maybe my view is a bit naive, I'm pretty sure that positive reinforcement is a much better motivator and conditioning method than negative reinforcement.
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