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On November 03 2011 13:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved.
Having your kid come tell you that they were dishonest has nothing to do with whether or not you lay a hand on them or not. It has more to do with them respecting you, and believing that you can help them fix things. It is more an admission of guilt than a "you didn't hit me so I love you!"
Case in point, I was spanked as a kid all the time and I did that on several occassions that I can recall, and I am sure many more. I also am a swimming instructor in which i would never think of laying a hand on a child, and I have had multiple kids tell me they lied about something insignificant while feeling real guilty about it. One kid broke out into tears because he told me his favorite color was green instead of blue. Does that mean I am a successful parent despite not even having kids of my own?
You can get spanked and still feel respected and loved. I know for a fact I wont hit my kids, but I also know it is a complete and utter fallacy to say that you can't love someone/thing that hits yous.
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My parents have never once layed a hand on me or any of my siblings, and two of my siblings have minor mental disablilites that make them act out in extreme ways that they cant necessarily control. If she might have done what they have done, this girl would have probably gotten killed for by her dad from the looks of it. You do not need to be an invalid and be physically abusive. It is only inimical and niether party is ameliorated by the expirience. If you need to beat your kids, you need to lose your kids, cause you suck as a parent and your parents probably sucked as parents for you to learn that from them. This also accounts for so many horrible horrible horrible happenings in schools, if you teach a kid that the way you make a person act like you want them to is to beat the living shit out of them, THEY WILL! Not only does it hurt your own child but its psychologically damages your child in a way that makes him more prone to physical outbursts.
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I was seriously... SERIOUSLY disturbed by that video. I have never seen a parent do that to a kid my whole life, but who knows. I'm pretty sure that she was overreacting this whole time, every time I got a spanking I never even said a word.
I think that there was more than just her stealing stuff from the internet that made her deserve this. Maybe she just wasn't treated right by her parents, and they are just stupid, or maybe she did something else that was much more. Did she pirate like maybe 200$+ of stuff from the internet? That would make more sense to me, or maybe not only did she steal on the internet, she did in real life or something, or maybe that the games that she was playing other than stealing were causing family problems and tons of fights?
There has to be some kind of reason for why her parents did that to her, maybe because she did something really bad or its just that her parents are REALLY mean.
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Man, I've been following this thread on and off for a handful of hours now, and it appears that it's just continuing to devolve. For those of you insistently arguing for the potential validity of the Father's actions under the pretense of corporal punishment being acceptable and the girl potentially being a drama queen, how can you possibly not see how asinine that is? I'm not saying there is never a time and place for discipline, or that corporal punishment is always 100% negative for that matter; what I am saying is that this is a sixteen year old girl with cerebral palsy, and her Father is full-wind up laying the fuck into her with a belt, repeatedly, over an extended period of time. Statements like "I didn't get my licks in" exemplify the fact that he's beating her purely out of rage, there is no disciplinary value in his actions, all he's successfully doing is terrorizing and traumatizing the girl.
Point being, people aren't blowing this out of proportion, or being outraged that this man is a judge without reason. If you think this is a healthy example if discipline, you shouldn't be allowed around kids either. "I will beat you in your fucking face" and "I will beat you into submission" is not parenting.
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On November 03 2011 14:43 Clouttt wrote:
Man, I've been following this thread on and off for a handful of hours now, and it appears that it's just continuing to devolve. For those of you insistently arguing for the potential validity of the Father's actions under the pretense of corporal punishment being acceptable and the girl potentially being a drama queen, how can you possibly not see how asinine that is? I'm not saying there is never a time and place for discipline, or that corporal punishment is always 100% negative for that matter; what I am saying is that this is a sixteen year old girl with cerebral palsy, and her Father is full-wind up laying the fuck into her with a belt, repeatedly, over an extended period of time. Statements like "I didn't get my licks in" exemplify the fact that he's beating her purely out of rage, there is no disciplinary value in his actions, all he's successfully doing is terrorizing and traumatizing the girl.
Point being, people aren't blowing this out of proportion, or being outraged that this man is a judge without reason. If you think this is a healthy example if discipline, you shouldn't be allowed around kids either. "I will beat you in your fucking face" and "I will beat you into submission" is not parenting.
Thats a pretty fair assesment, and I find an overwhelming majority should atleast agree with this. I personally have an issue when people start adding the words "never" and "always" to any side of an arguement that doesnt have a proven "correct" way.
inb4 some enthusiastic academic googles an article and says "research shows..."
before you do that, go read this..
http://www.cracked.com/article_19468_5-logical-fallacies-that-make-you-wrong-more-than-you-think.html
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On November 03 2011 14:22 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 13:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved. Having your kid come tell you that they were dishonest has nothing to do with whether or not you lay a hand on them or not. It has more to do with them respecting you, and believing that you can help them fix things. It is more an admission of guilt than a "you didn't hit me so I love you!" Case in point, I was spanked as a kid all the time and I did that on several occassions that I can recall, and I am sure many more. I also am a swimming instructor in which i would never think of laying a hand on a child, and I have had multiple kids tell me they lied about something insignificant while feeling real guilty about it. One kid broke out into tears because he told me his favorite color was green instead of blue. Does that mean I am a successful parent despite not even having kids of my own? You can get spanked and still feel respected and loved. I know for a fact I wont hit my kids, but I also know it is a complete and utter fallacy to say that you can't love someone/thing that hits yous.
so you are probably doing a very good job.
This is not the only thing but it is an indicator if your children trust you or not and lots of children wouldn't ever admit to their parents that they did something wrong because they are afraid of what could happen. The point i tried to make is that respect is worthless if your kid fears you and doesn't trust you.
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Where's the backstory to this? Like yeah, it's a video of a dad hitting his kid with a belt. You don't know what goes on in their house though. Kid was probably acting like a dick. This little kid just ruined her father and his career.
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Well I think no matter where a person sits with corporal punishment, this guy is WAY out of line. She's too old, he's not in control of his emotions, he's verbally abusive, and there's a substantial difference between a quick swat on the hand of a 2 year old vs this beat to submission nightmare. I don't buy the drama queen argument. This man is sick, sick sick. There's nothing she could do to warrant such behaviour from her parents.
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That was fuking disgusting, wow it has made me so angry. Some parents are fuking idiots, the father literally wanted to beat her up, what kind of father is that fuking sick in the head.
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On November 03 2011 14:52 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 14:22 iCanada wrote:On November 03 2011 13:53 idonthinksobro wrote:
it wasnt me you are refering to and iam not angry at all or irrational. Beating a kid is wrong - there is no, no situation in which it is right to hit a kid. If you ever come to the point that you hit your kid, you as a parent have failed, no matter what the kid did or said you are the one that made the mistake.
You know you succeeded as a parent when your kid comes to you crying, admitting that he lied about a rather unimportant thing because he can trust you and feels respected and loved. Having your kid come tell you that they were dishonest has nothing to do with whether or not you lay a hand on them or not. It has more to do with them respecting you, and believing that you can help them fix things. It is more an admission of guilt than a "you didn't hit me so I love you!" Case in point, I was spanked as a kid all the time and I did that on several occassions that I can recall, and I am sure many more. I also am a swimming instructor in which i would never think of laying a hand on a child, and I have had multiple kids tell me they lied about something insignificant while feeling real guilty about it. One kid broke out into tears because he told me his favorite color was green instead of blue. Does that mean I am a successful parent despite not even having kids of my own? You can get spanked and still feel respected and loved. I know for a fact I wont hit my kids, but I also know it is a complete and utter fallacy to say that you can't love someone/thing that hits yous. so you are probably doing a very good job. This is not the only thing but it is an indicator if your children trust you or not and lots of children wouldn't ever admit to their parents that they did something wrong because they are afraid of what could happen. The point i tried to make is that respect is worthless if your kid fears you and doesn't trust you.
yea even then though dude, forget that she had cerebral palsy, or anything like that. Theres lot of ambiguity on how to raise preadolescence in my view.
But whipping a teenage girl is definately the wrong approach. Kids that age will never respond to being beaten, ever. If you want to stop her doing it even if its wrong just take the computer away. Thats reasonable punishment. Or monitor the use. Pull the plug when shes misusing it. It works absolutely perfectly, I cant think of any reason why that sort of punishment wont work universally.
Thats what my parents did if it was a school night and I stayed on the computer to long despite being asked to go to bed over and over again. Worked perfectly, did it piss me of ? Sure, did I hate it? Yeah.
Was I wrong? Absolutely. If theyd hit me though. mmm that wouldve been out of line. Infact they even used to say "comon your older now we cant hit you anymore it wont work so just please listen or well do something else to make you stop which is what they did."
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On November 03 2011 15:04 TheHansBecker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 15:00 NexaS wrote:
Where's the backstory to this? Like yeah, it's a video of a dad hitting his kid with a belt. You don't know what goes on in their house though. Kid was probably acting like a dick. This little kid just ruined her father and his career. She was beat for using the internet to download music and play games... I'm pretty sure he says it in the video.
They also talk about school, and the father mentions how she lies, cheats, and steals now. Like I said, we don't know the entire story. As far as I know, this happens all time, everywhere.
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hit her harder i say.
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God this is so gross, I can't believe these parents. My parents used to hit me as a child, being asian and everything, but this makes me so sad at heart.
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On November 03 2011 15:27 wordd wrote:
hit her harder i say.
User was banned for this post. How does it feel to get hit hard? Not a pleasant feeling is it? You make me sick.
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On November 03 2011 15:27 wordd wrote:
hit her harder i say.
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How do you sick, pathetic little fuckers live with yourselves? I feel sorry for you in a way... Do you not even realize that you're psychotic or are you THAT narrow minded?
The human mind never ceases to amaze me in every possible way...
If you're a troll, this is nothing to troll about.
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On November 03 2011 15:46 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 15:27 wordd wrote:
hit her harder i say.
User was banned for this post. How do you sick, pathetic little fuckers live with yourselves? I feel sorry for you in a way... Do you not even realize that you're psychotic or are you THAT narrow minded? The human mind never ceases to amaze me in every possible way... If you're a troll, this is nothing to troll about.
usually trolling is about things that shouldnt be trolled about. Thats why its called trolling.
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On November 03 2011 13:16 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:26 Egyptian_Head wrote:On November 03 2011 11:19 SilentchiLL wrote:On November 03 2011 11:11 Egyptian_Head wrote:On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote:
smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this. Happened 7 years ago I believe, the kid doesn't live with her parents, she has her own income now. The games she pirated were not available for purchase at the time. Thats what the youtube description says. Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything. Maybe she knew what would be coming, the punishment doesn't always follow immedeatly after the "crime" is found out, maybe her mother found out what she was doing and told her that she'll tell her father when he'll be back from work in the evening. My concern is is she acting for the camera? Is she trying to make it seem worse than it is, I mean it would have seemed better if she had just bent over the bed. She is without a doubt provoking her parents. By refusing to obey. Now personally I think she is in the right refusing, I have no problem with hitting a child as punishment but a 16 year old is not a child. But it is something to think about, she planted the camera, she is intentionally inflaming the situation, is it a stretch to think she might be exaggerating everything a little? Don't get me wrong I do think the parents are way out of line and something should be done to them. But it is something to consider all the same. Try beating somebody and and tell him that when he lays flat on the ground you will hurt him a little less and see how that works out, humans don't like to get beaten and if they aren't broken already they will choose the possibility which gives them the chance that they won't get hurt instead of the one where they KNOW that they will get beaten. EDIT: and what happened to " Thats said it is clear this was a trap by the girl, why would she leave the camera if she was not going to intentionally provoke her parents. Not that that excuses the over reaction or anything." What the fuck man? ...
I don't see how the positions are contradictory. They go hand in hand.
Maybe clearly is a little to strong but that is truly what it looks like to me. It looks like the girl did something she knew would lead to her getting beaten, then further inflamed the situation with the intention of making her farther over react and quiet possibly acted over the top. As I said no excuse for the parents behavior, but that is what it looks like to me.
As for your first point, if she wasn't recording at the time you might have a point. The fact is she knowing recorded the event with the purpose of gathering evidence against her father. You cannot assume she is a neutral agent in this, despite her parents being the ones at fault. She had intention here, that intention was not to avoid being beaten, why record not being beaten? She wanted proof her father was abusing her, I cannot help but think that is exactly what she set out to provide. But just to ensure no one misunderstands, even if everything I have said is true and hell it probably isn't not everyone would do it as I would that cannot excuse the behavior of her parents and they should be punished.
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well she was clearly downloading music and games illlegally, she needed some discipline
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On November 03 2011 13:10 Zidane wrote:
Haven't checked in this thread for awhile and I now there are more different people making the same dumb arguments. Again, even though you had the misfortune of getting your ass beat frequently and maybe even worse than this poor girl, does not mean it alright rofl.
It just means your parents are pieces of shits like this girl's dad. No one deserves to be beaten like that regardless of the reason. No amount of "oh this happens all the time" will justify that. So stop trying to fight a losing battle, it just makes you look bad.
How can you, someone who presumably wasn't beat as a child...have ANY say in what kids should or shouldn't receive punishment-wise?
I can say that until I was 9 years old my mom never really beat me, and I was turning into a little shit. Then she remarried and suddenly ass-whoopin's from a 230 pound man were on the table. Almost overnight I turned into a respectable young lad, who always said "yes sir" and "yes ma'am" to my parents.
Kids getting beat for breaking the law/disobeying their parents is a good thing. I wish more parents spanked their kids.
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