EPTthough many parents, especially fathers, still belt their children, although illegal in the United States and punishable as a criminal act.
Any law majors here with the answer?
Judge beats daughter for using the internet - Page 6
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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JEEPFiretruck
Australia106 Posts
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Tweeto
United States62 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Dacendoran wrote: I'm fairly certain this is legal, he never struck her in the face or with anything other than a belt, let alone a closed fist. It's a parent's job to decide how their children get punished and while this guy is a dick I don't think legally anything will come of it. Outside of the justice system though I hope he feels some kind of ramifications for this. Agreed, I am pretty sure worse happened to me and my sisters when we were younger being raised in a hispanic family. Don't get me wrong, the reason he is hitting her is pretty stupid but as a kid I got hit with much worse and with more force, along with my sisters (if anyone wanted to play the "But she is a girl" card). As for legal actions nothing will happen, he really didn't do anything wrong. But as for a judge this will probably hurt his job. Also as for a person of the law being aggressive to their child, my stepdad (a police officer) and I got in a pretty serious argument over me cutting my hair, back then I had bangs and the whole "emo" shit. Anyway I did not hit him but he grabbed me and I pulled myself away in which he said "I will throw you down the fucking stairs" so I of course called the cops. He breaks my phone and a few other things and when the cops come they go to him, he tells them I am emotionally disturbed and crazy, something like that, and instead of the cops talking to me about what had happened they just told me "Well maybe you should cut your hair." Not making that up at all it happened my junior year of high school maybe 4 years ago? But the point is that the law favors the law so along with the parents not hitting her in the face he will have the law on his side even if there was a case or something. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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Champi
1422 Posts
according to this, he was also a corrupt judge.. sigh, i wish this man to be killed tragically, i really do. What a disgusting abomination of a human being, its people like this who have negative influence on their children, that slow down the positive ethical and morale evolution of human kind. what a backwards minded old fool... | ||
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Souljah
United States423 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:31 HawaiianPig wrote: I thought the internet had desensitized me to most things, but this is disgusting. Very true, I can view a lot of media that should sicken me, but it doesn't, however this was truly grotesque. On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote: While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad. For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful. And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you. You don't know anything because there is much research on the topic on corporal punishment, the ineffectiveness of it, and the adverse mental health effects that come with it. You're either ignorant to all of the research and you still decide to speculate falsely, or you just don't believe the research, take your pick. Both are disgusting IMO. On November 02 2011 10:50 jupidar wrote: This doesn't even seem that abnormal to me... I mean he was using probably too much force and cussed a lot with threats but this doesn't seem as far out of the ordinary as people make it seem. Holy fucking shit do I feel bad for you if this doesn't seem abnormal to you. Seriously - what the fuck was your childhood like? | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
For all of the news--and my own feelings--about how people may be mistreated in other parts of the world, this is a sick reminder that things aren't necessarily much better at home. Even without the physical beatings, parents can do great psychological harm to their children simply by arguing all the time. A story like this begs the saddest kind of question: Is it worse when it's a parent or step parent? I don't think there's a right answer, but it's something you end up asking yourself. Screw it, time to youtube some good music. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
It does sound like she has a bit of a sass problem and perhaps obedience issues (not uncommon with long tolls on the computer, I used to be pretty cranky after long hours on the computer), but he's instilling fear into her rather than instilling a statement that should ring sound with basic rationale (parents mean well, computer not good for me, etc. etc.). It doesn't help that he adds his personal dislike for computers, etc. Vocal tone, language, threats don't help his case at all, what a poor sap. The mother is a lot better and she can tell she's trying to control damage, but resort to her own form of obedience. She doesn't want to show disagreement with the father, because she did support the computer, but she knows the father is getting a bit violent, sounds like an ongoing problem. | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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sunman1g
United States334 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:59 tbrown47 wrote: Gonna agree with this. What really got me were his words, not his actions. When he said things like 'you don't deserve to be in this house', etc. I got belted several times when I was a kid, but it was because I did something wrong. My dad didn't tell me that I didn't belong, he told me to stop doing stupid things. edit: Obviously he was leaning a bit too hard into the swings, as well. That's fucking retarded. Just because your dad has issues and fucked you up with the belt does not mean it's ok. That's how you fuck up someone's childhood and make him become a psychopath that then will spank his own kid to death. That is straight-out cave man behavior and should be illegal everywhere in America. That man obviously CANNOT be a judge and I am not surprised that someone like him is a Judge in this country. Jesus fucking christ that is so sick. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote: While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad. For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful. And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you. OIC, how does the daughter releasing this tape help to make your point? It destroys your point? I'm very sorry to hear that. | ||
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
He whipped her with a belt below the waist. I'd be worried if he started hitting her face or something, but below the waist is just pain for punishment. I don't see abuse, I just see strict parenting. I think it's stupid so many people see this as abuse. More kids need this type of punishment nowadays. The part where he got angry tho, is the part that is questionable. | ||
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CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:58 Kimaker wrote: Exactly. It's not the style of punishment that's bad, it's the delivery. Corporal punishment can be an effective way to teach lessons, but this was not a lesson. I agree. I was raised with corporal punishment and it's absolutely fine to smack a kid (in a non-damaging way) to get a point across that words cannot. This, though, was stupid vengeance and absolutely disgusting. It's child abuse. He's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to live in that house, how bad she is, and after he gets mad and talks all that shit to her he leaves and comes back saying he didn't get his beating in yet. Jesus Christ. That's not parenting, that's a little man with anger issues taking them out on someone who has to depend upon him. Disgusting. There's a difference between punishment and taking out your anger on a young girl. Anybody who knows how to parent knows that when you interact with people (let alone your own children) you should act out of fairness, not abusing others for your own iniquities. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
First, I personally think the father is retarded for his idea's/beliefs about the internet/computers. Second, I feel that regardless of the "fact" that his beliefs are completely insane....it seems clear that he made his beliefs/rules known to his daughter beforehand. It is also quite evident that she disobeyed her father (as well as broke the law) in doing what she did. Second, why was this being video taped? Why was the daughter being so unreasonable? Did she, in effect...stage this and make it as bad as possible on purpose? I know that when I was getting beat I did whatever the hell I was told to do to make the pain stop...My dad was quite a bit larger than her dad and I really only got beat till I was 13 (I grew up kinda fast) so I was always quite a bit younger than her. It looked as if instead of getting one lick on the butt she chose about 15 everywhere else...again possibly just for the video. I personally think parents should be allowed to spank their kids with a belt. Sure there will always be some who abuse it but from my interactions/experiences it seems like there is a lot less discipline in people who were never spanked...or to put it a little bit better, there seems to be more discipline on average in the individuals who were spanked as kids. Again a lot of this is perspective based solely on the video but I know women are vindictive little shits by nature ( I had sisters who also got the belt) and I wouldn't put it past this child to have literally set the whole instance up. Meaning she likely could of even got herself caught on purpose. From the information I currently possess there's no possible way for me to say if I think the fathers actions were acceptable. But I can say based off the circumstances of the video I would feel as if the father had the right of it and that his actions had merit. I would not fault him in the slightest. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
2004: Aransas County Court-At-Law Judge William Adams took a belt to his own teenage daughter as punishment for using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time. She has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth that led her to a passion for technology, which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views. which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views. The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video. The judge's wife has since left the marriage due to the abuse, which continues to this day, and has sincerely apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing, long before this video was even revealed to exist. Judge William Adams is not fit to be anywhere near the law system if he can't even exercise fit judgement as a parent himself. | ||
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