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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
My father used corporal punishment on me. What did he he do? If I got out of line I would catch a smack in the the mouth. One. He would say straighten up. Obviously I would. That was the end of it. Now you can argue if that's right or wrong or the proper way to discipline your child. But it's corporal punishment. Now a father and mother tag teaming a kid for 7-10 minutes with belts isn't punishment. That's abuse. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On November 03 2011 01:45 Tabula`Rasa wrote: You are right to say that different children react different to different modes of punishment. I am not an expert on psychology, but anecdotally speaking, I would say that equally, some children also respond poorly to a lack of strong discipline, whether it be corporal punishment or other alternatives. That being said, I think what this father did is objectively wrong on the basis that his actions constituted going above and beyond what can reasonably be considered 'disciplining' a child. Just like in the criminal law of most, if not all countries, you would not be able to rely on a 'self-defence' as a means of getting out of a charge of manslaughter if you shoot a man for punching you in the face. The law should discipline him for this transgression. Should he be allowed to continue as a judge? Probably not. At the same time, should he be jailed? Probably not. Tl; dr: some reactions to this video are overkill. Anecdotally you're wrong. There's mountains of empirical evidence supporting swift, consistent, mild punishment with proper explanations for why the behaviour was bad and rational discussions being the most effective in ALL situations. Modelling anti-aggressive behaviour and teaching your kids things like better communication skills, empathy, how to diffuse your anger through discussion, and improving your general communication skills are faaaaar healthier and faaaaar more effective methods for long term learning. Also makes the kids way more likely to continue the cycle of rational non angry behaviour with their | ||
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ThePurist
Canada686 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:31 FarmI3oy wrote: Unreal..... theres a right way and wrong way to punish your children this is the absolute worst way..... Who's one to judge? + Show Spoiler + YEAAAAAAAAAAAA Anybody have any updates on this? I'm curious as to how she is + what happened to the father | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 03 2011 01:34 TheBomb wrote: Wow you are one simple minded tool. Humans are not dogs. Training is not the same as teaching. Yeah I can teach my dog to lift up his palm when I say hi, but if I don't punish him for trashing the trash he is going to do it over and over and over again. And while the dog doesn't understand what the "hi" means, to him when you say hi and he lifts his paw up it means cookie and that is training, that is not understanding. Now I'm not saying the only way to teach kids is by punishing them, but its one of the many tools you could use. I actually have found that parents who don't punish their kids at all, their kids are stupid, spoiled brats that cause all sorts of trouble and even when their parents start saying "jimmy sweety don't do that" the kids does it even more and the whole family kinds of gets embarrassed if it in public by how their kid couldn't care less about what they say to him. O yeah I've set with such parents a lot of times and their kids are like wild animals put out of a cage and don't behave at all and when they start causing too much commotion and get on everyone's nerves and the parents try to control the kids they can't because he doesn't listen to them and they sit there embarrassed trying to make jokes about it, to alleviate some of their guilt and responsibility. In fact when I see children outside yelling like crazy at 4pm when you are trying to relax and stuff, I know they have crap parents that don't discipline them, don't teach them. But again spanking in just one of the tools you can use, of course beating a child and spanking it are two different things. There is a limit on that and I'm sure all of us have been beaten by our parents dozens of times as we've been growing up and do we all have scars of it, are we all depressed for the rest of our lives? No, because humans are not as weak as you make them out to be. In this case I've already made my points clear and I won't be repeating them, but you sir need to broaden your scope of understanding. Your anecdotal stories have little relevance when faced with empirical proof though. Is physical punishment yet another tool that can be used? Yes, but it has been proven to be ineffective compared to better methods. It sends the wrong message to the children, and if you overdo it, it can lead to mental problems. There exists so many better ways of punishing children than physical punishment. The ones in your stories probably weren't punished by any method. Either way, they don't help your cause at all. I find it pretty surreal that people with your opinion exist in modern western societies. | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
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ArEgHollow
Canada31 Posts
The fact that she didn't reveal this to CPS (child protective services)/police or whatever 6-7 years ago could mean that she didn't record this as a cry for help, but just a ploy for revenge. The fact that she waited for her father's election further supports this point. With her father being a judge, the family was probably pretty well off, had CPS taken her away from the family she probably lose all the previlages of being in that family. In no way do I support the actions of her father, I have been punished as a kid and I do not believe that being beaten is NOT the right way to bring up a child. It makes your child fear you. Until this day I still fear my parents and I believe our relationship isn't where it should be because of that. I do not think I will beat my kids I believe there are better solutions for discpline. I do believe her father should be exposed for his ways, but 6-7 years ago would have also been the "right timing". | ||
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Sgonzo
Canada202 Posts
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 03 2011 01:52 Termit wrote: Some people in this thread is fucking unbelievable. If you really think it's okay to do this, and threaten her with more if she says something wrong, looks at him wrong or have the wrong tone in her voice then fuck you. This dad is out of control. He is so furious he even run out of the room to get another belt when the mother takes the first one. And he is even out of breath after the first hitting. I like how every swedish poster has had the same sentiment throughuot the entire thread xD | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2983 Posts
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evaunit01
United States512 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:29 julomat wrote: i dont know if this has been postet before, but here you go: http://www.aransascountytx.gov/courtatlaw/ seems like this case is under review by the police. That is great! | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:45 Scrimpton wrote: This was years ago. She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. hi troll User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:45 Scrimpton wrote: This was years ago. She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. A well-deserved revenge plot. Although what she did was something that shouldn't be endorsed by her parents, do you really think a sit down and a chat is the only other option? Was punishment even nessecary, I what were the odds of her getting caught for filesharing? I bet if he had treathened to remove her computer, he would see more positive response from her than he has seen during her entire lifetime. | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:45 Scrimpton wrote: This was years ago. She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. Over in the moment, manipulative scheme?I wouldn't give a flying fuck if this girl was now known worldwide for fraud or mass murder, if anything I'd link her breaking bad to this douchebag of a father that she has, seemed to me that he enjoyed doing that pretty fucking much, wouldn't be a stretch if he did that every single day, you know, as an alternative for not acting on other libidinous thoughts hovering around in his head, fucking rednecks. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:45 Scrimpton wrote: This was years ago. She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. Are you serious or are you just trolling? I dont know which is worse to be honest, a person with no compassion and no sense of moral or a person who thinks it´s funny to be an ass on the internet. | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
In North Carolina, where I live, you cannot ground your 16 or 17 year old. It falls under the anti-slavery laws. They can leave then house whenever they want to. Meanwhile you are still required to financially support them and can be held responsible for some of their misbehavior. This creates all sorts of weird situations. If you have given them a car you can always threaten to take that away. Some parents have threatened to not pay for college, but teenagers just call their bluff and that is not even an option for those parents who cannot afford to pay for college. I am not sure what to do overall, but I don't think beatings like this help much of anything. Can someone who knows about this suggest the best way to handle punishing illegal behavior by a 16 year old that could potentially impact the whole family? | ||
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uiCk
Canada1925 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:45 Scrimpton wrote: This was years ago. She broke the law, exposing herself to the possibility of massive fines (also a chance of jailtime with piracy). Her father is a judge, she potentially can cost him his job. He protected both of them with his actions, you think some kid is going to stop doing something as easy and 'rewarding' as piracy after a sit down and a chat? She's smart enough to record footage etc, she's smart enough to evade any measures he could have put in place to prevent her illegal activity. A whack with a belt won't cause any damage, or even any lasting pain, it's over in the moment. This was a manipulative scheme, not a cry for help. A revenge plot. bold statement is not true, thus reason why people seem to think violence is "momentary", and ignore any psychological effects related to it. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On November 03 2011 02:50 KungKras wrote: A well-deserved revenge plot. Although what she did was something that shouldn't be endorsed by her parents, do you really think a sit down and a chat is the only other option? I bet if he had treathened to remove her computer, he would see more positive response from her than he has seen during her entire lifetime. Exactly what I thought when I saw the original post. Don't fucking beat your children and you won't have to worry about getting your life destroyed down the road. And yeah, some pain won't cause any lasting damage. Living your teenage years in fear of your parents will. BTW, the apropriate way to "protect both of them" would have been to prevent her from using the internet. (E.g no computer, no smartphone etc.) It's not that hard to figure out if you stop for a moment and think instead of acting out of anger. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:51 Sina92 wrote: i thought this only happend in the middle east :S :S ;S ROFL. IDK how a (rather severe, sure) "belting" compares to being stoned, set on fire, decapitated, etc, as is common in the middle east (only for women, ofc). Look up "honor killings" for more awesome details. <3 muslims/arabs and their wonderful barbarism...reminds me of what the rest of the world used to be like 3000 years ago. | ||
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