Judge beats daughter for using the internet - Page 48

On November 03 2011 01:33 Paperplane wrote:


You have a very good point. Cultures are different and some people are overreacting. No he shouldn't get the death penalty or get bludgeoned to death for this that's ridiculous.

It's perfectly normal in some countries, so the parents don't think they're doing anything wrong. They're thinking this is how children are supposed to be raised.
Culture can be wrong imo. Just think of the Sharia Law. Just because something is socially accepted or tradition doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

I think it's strange so many people in this thread who have been belted or hit with a cane defend this sort of behavior. If you were belted and you're fine that doesn't mean everyone else will be. Belting in general will be traumatizing for a lot of children even if most will get over it.

I do get your point though. I think a slap or spank is ok. Other people might think that's too cruel while I think it's ok. Just like I think belting is too cruel and others think it's ok.

No offense you're a smart guy but well we disagree on this matter I guess.

On November 03 2011 01:45 Tabula`Rasa wrote:


You are right to say that different children react different to different modes of punishment. I am not an expert on psychology, but anecdotally speaking, I would say that equally, some children also respond poorly to a lack of strong discipline, whether it be corporal punishment or other alternatives.

That being said, I think what this father did is objectively wrong on the basis that his actions constituted going above and beyond what can reasonably be considered 'disciplining' a child. Just like in the criminal law of most, if not all countries, you would not be able to rely on a 'self-defence' as a means of getting out of a charge of manslaughter if you shoot a man for punching you in the face. The law should discipline him for this transgression. Should he be allowed to continue as a judge? Probably not. At the same time, should he be jailed? Probably not.

Tl; dr: some reactions to this video are overkill.

On November 02 2011 17:51 Meta wrote:


The scientists responsible for the creation of the atomic bomb spent the remainder of their lives regretting it. I doubt this guy regrets beating his teenage daughter (well maybe now that it's public he does).

I agree that KryptoStorm pigeonholed religion hard and it was unfair of him to make the connection but it's not that farfetched to be honest. In these modern times "religiosity" is going to need to undergo radical changes if it wants to regain its former respectability and avoid being unfairly represented... especially on the internet

On November 03 2011 01:52 Termit wrote:
Some people in this thread is fucking unbelievable. If you really think it's okay to do this, and threaten her with more if she says something wrong, looks at him wrong or have the wrong tone in her voice then fuck you. This dad is out of control. He is so furious he even run out of the room to get another belt when the mother takes the first one. And he is even out of breath after the first hitting.

On November 03 2011 01:09 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
I haven't had the time to read through everything in this thread, but I'd like to point out that this is standard operating procedure in a lot of Asian families - including many countries that no reasonable person would call "uncivilized". Corporal punishment, where children are concerned, and whether it is right or wrong, is mostly a matter of social and cultural construction. The principles that inform current Western thought have their roots in the Enlightenment, and I think these ideas don't permeate a lot of other cultures and societies.

I'm not saying what he did is right, but I've been belted by my parents. So have most of my friends. None of us resent our parents for it. I don't think it crosses the line into abuse if within, and for good reason. The point I'm trying to make is that corporal punishment, like all other moral/societal norms, are matter of construction - whether it is right or wrong depends on the society you live in. I don't think it should be condemned as objectively wrong. Belting your child is nothing close to say, stoning an adulterous woman (which still happens in Pakistan). Without the context within which this 'punishment' is taking place, I think all of you are just jumping to conclusions. Is such behavior acceptable in America? Probably not. But I don't think this man deserves the kind of condemnation he's receiving in this thread. Not by a long stretch.

On November 03 2011 01:34 TheBomb wrote:


Wow you are one simple minded tool. Humans are not dogs. Training is not the same as teaching. Yeah I can teach my dog to lift up his palm when I say hi, but if I don't punish him for trashing the trash he is going to do it over and over and over again. And while the dog doesn't understand what the "hi" means, to him when you say hi and he lifts his paw up it means cookie and that is training, that is not understanding.

Now I'm not saying the only way to teach kids is by punishing them, but its one of the many tools you could use. I actually have found that parents who don't punish their kids at all, their kids are stupid, spoiled brats that cause all sorts of trouble and even when their parents start saying "jimmy sweety don't do that" the kids does it even more and the whole family kinds of gets embarrassed if it in public by how their kid couldn't care less about what they say to him.

O yeah I've set with such parents a lot of times and their kids are like wild animals put out of a cage and don't behave at all and when they start causing too much commotion and get on everyone's nerves and the parents try to control the kids they can't because he doesn't listen to them and they sit there embarrassed trying to make jokes about it, to alleviate some of their guilt and responsibility.

In fact when I see children outside yelling like crazy at 4pm when you are trying to relax and stuff, I know they have crap parents that don't discipline them, don't teach them.

But again spanking in just one of the tools you can use, of course beating a child and spanking it are two different things. There is a limit on that and I'm sure all of us have been beaten by our parents dozens of times as we've been growing up and do we all have scars of it, are we all depressed for the rest of our lives? No, because humans are not as weak as you make them out to be.

In this case I've already made my points clear and I won't be repeating them, but you sir need to broaden your scope of understanding.

On November 03 2011 01:33 Paperplane wrote:


You have a very good point. Cultures are different and some people are overreacting. No he shouldn't get the death penalty or get bludgeoned to death for this that's ridiculous.

It's perfectly normal in some countries, so the parents don't think they're doing anything wrong. They're thinking this is how children are supposed to be raised.
Culture can be wrong imo. Just think of the Sharia Law. Just because something is socially accepted or tradition doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

I think it's strange so many people in this thread who have been belted or hit with a cane defend this sort of behavior. If you were belted and you're fine that doesn't mean everyone else will be. Belting in general will be traumatizing for a lot of children even if most will get over it.

I do get your point though. I think a slap or spank is ok. Other people might think that's too cruel while I think it's ok. Just like I think belting is too cruel and others think it's ok.

No offense you're a smart guy but well we disagree on this matter I guess.