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On October 28 2011 07:40 Rhine wrote:
What the hell is wrong with these people. This is so brutal. Disgusting. Why did the kid only get 3 days?
3 days is generally what is given for 95% of "fighting" in public schools. it sounds pretty standard.
sad part is, they usually suspend BOTH participants of the fight, regardless of who did what. idk if thats the case in this 1 but i would be surprised if it wasnt
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Human cruelty is at its most senseless at adolescence, they are just too stupid/
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That guy should definitely have charges pressed against him.
That being said I don't believe he should be charged for a "hate crime".
He should be charged for beating the shit out of some kid, just as he should be for beating the shit out of someone of any sexual orientation/race/etc.
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On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account.
Violence against minorities is worse because it can take a life of it's own and tends to snowball if not harsly punished.
If laws are designed to protect the peace in a society then crimes against minorities should be punished more greatly (if the crime was commited because the target was part of said minority) because they form a greater threat to the overall stability of the system.
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3 days is more then what happened in my school. Normally fights are not reported so there is no punishment and if it is found out then 1 detention (one hour after school).
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On October 28 2011 16:35 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote:On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account. Violence against minorities is worse because it can take a life of it's own and tends to snowball if not harsly punished. If laws are designed to protect the peace in a society then crimes against minorities should be punished more greatly (if the crime was commited because the target was part of said minority) because they form a greater threat to the overall stability of the system.
Doesn't justice factor into designing laws at all? ....
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These types of hate crimes are way different than just a normal fight. A normal fight is ignited by two different people and only those people involved. A hate crime is an irrational act usually stemming from indoctrination at a young age or taught bigotry, although that is the same thing. The reason hate crimes are more serious is because they're irrational, emotional attacks and happen to unsuspecting people.
Now my guess, in the United States we value religion a lot more strongly than other countries for some weird reason. And with religion comes some bigoted lessons, unfortunately they're taught to children before they realize how silly it is to hate someone for what their sexual preference is.
In my opinion, these kinds of act of hate, need to be dealt with more drastically just to set an example across the nation that it is no okay to hate for hate's sake, and that you will be punished severely for taking out on others that are different than you.
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WOW. First of all i am sad to see these things still happen.
Secondly i find it hard to belive that some people actually voted -NO- Punishment on the poll...
God damnit.
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Why does it matter whether he was gay or not.
Straight people get beaten up equally as bad in school all the time. Where are the headlines at?
If people actually want other groups to be considered equal, they need to start treating them as equals, not treating them as a chance to get a sensationalist headline.
If a suspension is standard there for fighting, then that is what he should get. Why should the punishment be more if you beat up someone gay. Giving a group special treatment often only incites more hate toward that group.
Though personally I would prefer he be given a longer suspension and some mandatory counselor sessions before returning for these types of situations.
If removing the word "Gay" from your headline makes your story not news. Then guess what? your story is not news.
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6% of the community who voted are trolling? or homophobic?
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Police charges no doubt. Whether you are gay or not, if you get beat up you call the police and take charges against the offender. And you just see how bullying in that school is going to stop at least for the foreseeable future.
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i don't see the connection between a kid getting beat up at school and a hate crime. Kids beat up other kids ever since schools started. I hate it when extra drama is trying to be creating by involving discrimination in the story. oh he was gay/black/asian/mexican whatever. and in regard to the punishment, it's clear that the action is punished not the thought process. (punished extra because he was beating him up because he was gay)
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What happened to the gay student after he got beaten up?
Did he have serious injuries? Did he need to go to hospital?
I've read the OP and first 3 pages, no comment on that.
I think thats pretty important too. So anyone got any info on that?
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On October 28 2011 17:02 MasterReY wrote:
What happened to the gay student after he got beaten up?
Did he have serious injuries? Did he need to go to hospital?
I've read the OP and first 3 pages, no comment on that.
I think thats pretty important too. So anyone got any info on that?
It's in the article. Chipped tooth and possible concussion.
Bully should be charged. That wasn't a 'fight' as people keep saying. That was a serious assault. He was beating the crap out of the other kid.
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On October 28 2011 16:55 FidoDido wrote:
6% of the community who voted are trolling? or homophobic?
So people actually think that putting him in the prison system, or expelling him from school and giving him cause to hate society is actually better than giving him another shot?
Many of us here may have been bullied before, but maybe we need solutions to improve society, not short-term retribution.
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On October 28 2011 15:49 SpinmovE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 14:30 omisa wrote:On October 28 2011 14:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 28 2011 14:04 omisa wrote:On October 28 2011 13:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 28 2011 13:46 omisa wrote:On October 28 2011 13:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 28 2011 13:36 omisa wrote:On October 28 2011 13:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 28 2011 13:33 omisa wrote:
Why on earth would you ever get the law involved over a school fight?
Instead of wasting energy and time blaming the bully/schools/system/etc and feeling sorry for the kid, why not do him a favor and teach him to stand up for himself. The fight was not that bad, at most he will have a bruised ego, but if he cant stand up for himself he is in for a hard life. I don't think you quite understand how life is supposed to work. Is that so? So do you let yourself get pushed around all day? No, I totally judo chop anyone who gets in my way, I always take the law into my own hands, and I can breathe fire. And thank goodness I'm not gay or black or a woman or any other minority, or else people would make fun of me. Well thats cool and all, but seriously, running from your problems wont fix them. You're not supposed to always approach violence with violence. That's exactly why we have cops. The kid got his ass kicked. He didn't want to throw any punches, and he probably would have gotten knocked out anyway. And if this type of thing is allowed (getting suspended for three days is incredibly minor), it's going to happen again and again. How the heck is he going to stand up for himself? Attempt to punch the guy back? He'll still get his ass kicked. As I said before, there's absolutely no reason why society needs to sit and watch this from the sidelines. We're not innocent bystanders here, especially when it's a hate crime. It's not like some stupid high school drama of two guys getting into an argument over a girl. It's blatant bigotry and assault for something that we can help with. Something that the police would be helping with if it were outside of school. Who said anything about approaching violence with violence? Yeah, he was going to get his ass beat no matter what he did, but when he tried running away he made the situation worse. nobody ever said it was an easy situation to handle, and he might not have to deal with the same kid, but i imagine he will get picked on for a long ass time for being the gay kid who didnt believe in himself, or however it gets justified. Apparently you've never been the little kid before, or know of anyone who's been bullied, so I'm just going to assume you can't relate to any of this and conclude that you live in a world where bullies are going to back down if you ask them nicely, one time, to please stop beating the shit out of you, and that you never have to raise a finger. That place must be lovely, but I don't recommend visiting Earth any time soon. In reality, his only option was to run away until an authority figure came to stop the bully. His peers weren't doing anything and he couldn't stop the guy. Did you really think he was concerned about not backing down from something? He got attacked viciously, for crying out loud. Ha, your assumptions are pathetic. Please, the personal attacks are childish, almost as if you are trying to bully me... do you really believe his only option is to run? If you honestly believe that this was his only chance to stand up for himself and that there was no previous confrontation between the two, then you are sadly mistaken. That kid didnt randomly wait in that spot hoping to beat some random gay kid that walked his way. He was waiting for him... Clearly you've never been bullied. The bully was vastly bigger then the kid that got beat up. Not to mention that bullies generally have people that will back them up and when you are bullied there's no one that will stand up for you because of fear of being bullied themselves. If he fought back the most likely outcome would have been for the bully to hurt him more, or possibly for more people to jump in and attack the kid. I was viciously bullied when I was in elementary school. There was nothing I could do about it at all. If I stood up for myself even slightly I would have 8+ people kicking the shit out of me even when I was curled into a ball on the ground. I was small, slow, and weak. Of course so were they, but when you're fighting against 8+ other kids you have literally zero chance at doing anything other then getting yourself hurt. Plus once you've been bullied you are in such a dark place that you are constantly in fear, have no self esteem, and have no respect for yourself. That kid, even if he was capable of fighting back and winning, was already thinking in his head how badly he was going to get beaten up. It's larger mental and at that age you don't have the ability to overcome it, no fucking way. So stop your god damn ignorant blabbering about standing up for yourself. That kid had the shit beaten out of him for no apparent reason and the only just thing to do is to give the bully a very harsh lesson to teach him that shit like that is not allowed in any mature society.
My ignorant blabbering? lol. Why would you take everything i said out of context to tell a sensationalist story that proves my point. And how did you deal with getting pushed around? I bet you took it, a lot, until you realized that you dont have to. But to stand back and start blaming and imposing harsh punishments on the bully and only feel sorrow for the kid will only let him regress because thats the only way he will feel safe; to hide behind others.
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This is a hate crime! Why is this damn kid not in jail and expelled? Can you imagine if this was any other minority besides homosexuals? This is getting crazy.
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Uhhhh wtf did I just watch. Even if they cant prove the kid it because the victim was gay he should still be punished for more than 3 days...
Fighting in my school regardless of how bad the fight was, even if just two punches are thrown you get a HUGE fine and suspended for at the very least a week.
That was brutal...
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Wow thats just sad. In our school you get a warning then you get suspended for a week if you start a fight.
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