Gay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 25

On October 28 2011 14:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Apparently you've never been the little kid before, or know of anyone who's been bullied, so I'm just going to assume you can't relate to any of this and conclude that you live in a world where bullies are going to back down if you ask them nicely, one time, to please stop beating the shit out of you, and that you never have to raise a finger.

That place must be lovely, but I don't recommend visiting Earth any time soon.

In reality, his only option was to run away until an authority figure came to stop the bully. His peers weren't doing anything and he couldn't stop the guy. Did you really think he was concerned about not backing down from something? He got attacked viciously, for crying out loud.

On October 28 2011 14:30 valheru wrote:
Legal question. If I were to be in that room at the time would it be legal for me to punch the bully in the face?

On October 28 2011 14:30 valheru wrote:
Legal question. If I were to be in that room at the time would it be legal for me to punch the bully in the face?

On October 28 2011 08:35 how2TL wrote:
It makes certain acts based off certain beliefs illegal. You can believe that gays are evil and whatever. You can not commit acts of violence or incite other to commit acts of violence while proclaiming that you're doing so because someone is gay. There is a huge, obvious legal distinction.

There is a reason why motive is important in a murder investigation. You're way out of your depth here.

On October 28 2011 14:14 Half wrote:
As I said, the only possible benefit is removal of the victim from the perpetrator and the can easily be addressed via less drastic means. Anything else?


My solution can remain unanswered for now, all we need to do is accept the need for an alternative one if we already agreed that the current process benefits nobody.

If we can accept x is not only inefficient but ineffective, looking for the alternative is the path to pursue, even if one doesn't obviously exist.

On October 28 2011 14:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


It would have been legal for the gay kid to (self-defense), and it would have been legal for you to restrain the bully if possible, but I'm not sure about a sucker punch.

I don't blame you for wanting to though.

On October 28 2011 14:43 sunprince wrote:


In most cases, you are permitted to use the minimum force reasonably required to stop the bully.

It would be preferable for you to restrain the bully if possible, but if a jury thinks that this would not reasonably succeed (say, you're smaller/physically weaker than the bully) then a punch would not be an unreasonable use of force in the defense of others.

On October 28 2011 14:45 E.H Eager wrote:Although quite doubtful a jury would ever be used to consider something like this =/

On October 28 2011 14:47 sunprince wrote:


Indeed. The question was posed as a legal one, and so I answered it accordingly.

More likely, this would be decided by school officials with little effective investigation, in which case the answer should be: you can punch him in the face as long as there's no one who would rat you out.

On October 28 2011 11:28 Signet wrote:

I tend to agree, particularly when we are talking about children/minors. They're still somewhat malleable and can be put on a more positive or more negative trajectory depending on how the punishment/correction is applied.

The question is how do you rehabilitate someone who is a homophobe (assuming that is the case here)? If that's the case, there's a good chance it's being reinforced at home.

Regardless of one's opinion on sentencing, that's part of the reason why our society is concerned about hate crime and views it as slightly worse than the same crime committed randomly. A violent bigot probably feels that his victim is somewhat less than human or deserves to be victimized. Such a person may not really "learn their lesson" and continue to act in the same manner. How do we effectively correct that?

On October 28 2011 14:30 omisa wrote:


Ha, your assumptions are pathetic. Please, the personal attacks are childish, almost as if you are trying to bully me...
do you really believe his only option is to run?

If you honestly believe that this was his only chance to stand up for himself and that there was no previous confrontation between the two, then you are sadly mistaken. That kid didnt randomly wait in that spot hoping to beat some random gay kid that walked his way. He was waiting for him...

On October 28 2011 15:49 SpinmovE wrote:


Clearly you've never been bullied. The bully was vastly bigger then the kid that got beat up. Not to mention that bullies generally have people that will back them up and when you are bullied there's no one that will stand up for you because of fear of being bullied themselves. If he fought back the most likely outcome would have been for the bully to hurt him more, or possibly for more people to jump in and attack the kid.

I was viciously bullied when I was in elementary school. There was nothing I could do about it at all. If I stood up for myself even slightly I would have 8+ people kicking the shit out of me even when I was curled into a ball on the ground. I was small, slow, and weak. Of course so were they, but when you're fighting against 8+ other kids you have literally zero chance at doing anything other then getting yourself hurt. Plus once you've been bullied you are in such a dark place that you are constantly in fear, have no self esteem, and have no respect for yourself. That kid, even if he was capable of fighting back and winning, was already thinking in his head how badly he was going to get beaten up. It's larger mental and at that age you don't have the ability to overcome it, no fucking way.

So stop your god damn ignorant blabbering about standing up for yourself. That kid had the shit beaten out of him for no apparent reason and the only just thing to do is to give the bully a very harsh lesson to teach him that shit like that is not allowed in any mature society.