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On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison.
Absolutely. Although, I am curious about whether or not this being an attack on a gay person should really matter. We can call it a 'hate crime' all we want, but really if someone was just standing outside a class waiting to beat the shit out of some guy named Brian, I don't see why that crime should be punished in a less serious manner.
If there is someone who is going to just stand outside of a classroom and assault someone, does the reasoning really matter? Like... there is clearly something wrong mentally with the attacker, be it mental stability, upbringing, anger issues, you name it. If anything, I would think it NOT being something specific would be a worse sign. If anything, I would think society would be more interested in locking up someone who is committing completely random acts of extreme violence over someone who has an, albeit, bigoted and DSM worthy reasoning. (Either should be punished severely though, I hope people don't misunderstand my sentiment.)
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What do they usually do when someone beats someone up in their school for no good reason?
They should punish him with that. 3-days suspension sounds awfully soft.
I don't care what the given "reason" for the beating was: other than self-defence, there are no good reasons for violence.
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Wow that's pretty horrible. The way he got beat up for nothing. Things like this just happens in the US. Nothing against US but I feel if that would have happened elsewhere, this would be headlines and police would definately have been involved. Espesially in norway!
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On October 28 2011 17:15 Flanlord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. Absolutely. Although, I am curious about whether or not this being an attack on a gay person should really matter. We can call it a 'hate crime' all we want, but really if someone was just standing outside a class waiting to beat the shit out of some guy named Brian, I don't see why that crime should be punished in a less serious manner. If there is someone who is going to just stand outside of a classroom and assault someone, does the reasoning really matter? Like... there is clearly something wrong mentally with the attacker, be it mental stability, upbringing, anger issues, you name it. If anything, I would think it NOT being something specific would be a worse sign. If anything, I would think society would be more interested in locking up someone who is committing completely random acts of extreme violence over someone who has an, albeit, bigoted and DSM worthy reasoning. (Either should be punished severely though, I hope people don't misunderstand my sentiment.)
Agreed. Should be changed to... Regular crime, throw the kid in prison. He'll get his own beating there.
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Well, the gay kid could at least fight back, rather than just get the beating. And unless they can prove this assault was purely based on the fact the victim was gay, standard school punishment for beating the crap out of other person should be applied.
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I think the widely varied opinions come from the widely varied experience with authority we all have. When I was a freshman in college meeting kids from all over the world, I couldnt believe how much stuff they had gotten away with in their youth (as evidenced by how much they got away with in college lol). I went to a very prestigious private high school and even saying the word "faggot" would get you suspended and any act of violence was expulsion for sure. I skipped one class once and got 16 hours of detention for it lol.
Really my problem with a three day suspension is that it isnt really punishment for the kid as much as it is for the parents, and while the parents need to accept some responsibility I dont think this is going to rehabilitate the child. Counseling is probably required for both children but I doubt the school has the resources to enforce such an outcome so id say expulsion is their only reasonable option.
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ViperPL... really did you even watch the video or hear the facts. Dude hes a gay kid in highschool, he doesn't know how to fight and the other guy is literally crazy, just waiting to beat on him. And it looked like he knew how to punch too ><. Ignorance is bliss I suppose
Kid should definitely rot in a cell. Stuff like this happens all over the world, Mr.Norway. Somebody should post up the schools phone number and just flood it till they do something better.
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Hate crime is certainly a very weird thing. Some people beat up others for being christian (for example) and others beat you up for looking at them funny or some other constructed reason. Is one really worse than the other and if the victim that looked att the offender funny happend to be from a minority it is suddenly a hate crime? Or if a minority beat up someone because he is a white male it's most likely not a hatecrime.
Well to focus on the topic it was a disgusting beating and the kid should have the law thrown at him. If someone did that at a workplace it would been handled differently.
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Lol @ people still trying to dismiss this as a "standard fight" and that " 3 days is standard penalty for fights".
It was nothing short of a vicious assault, I don't care if he was gay or not, no one should have to go through that anywhere.
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On October 28 2011 16:38 Kashll wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 16:35 zalz wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote:On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account. Violence against minorities is worse because it can take a life of it's own and tends to snowball if not harsly punished. If laws are designed to protect the peace in a society then crimes against minorities should be punished more greatly (if the crime was commited because the target was part of said minority) because they form a greater threat to the overall stability of the system. Doesn't justice factor into designing laws at all? ....
The justice is allready factored into it in the punishment.
The additional punishment is for contributing to a diminishing sense of safety for a certain minority group.
Beating up a person is beating up a person.
Beating up a person because he is gay/black/whatever is beating up a person and decreasing a groups overall safety.
Even if only based upon what it achieves a hate crime does more then a regular crime. Thus the punishment should be greater for the crime is greater.
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Did you google this or "looked extra hard" just so we could have yet another topic on these forums about gays?
If you did, which I´m 99% certain of considering how unfortunate incidents like this happens all the time, a lot of people just got trolled.
Edit: Allright, its from some unknown sensationalist newspaper.
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On October 28 2011 07:39 KwarK wrote:
Personally I'm against violence against gays for reasons based purely in their sexuality.
well said. lol
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Personally, I'm a pacifist and believe that violence is only appropriate as a deterrent, and that in an equilibrium society, we should never have to resort to violence.
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Certainly not condoning this sort of behaviour and it's really quite disgusting, but if the kid wasn't gay nobody would have heard about it. As horrible as it is this kind of thing is actually pretty commonplace.
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On October 28 2011 19:02 cryL wrote:
Certainly not condoning this sort of behaviour and it's really quite disgusting, but if the kid wasn't gay nobody would have heard about it. As horrible as it is this kind of thing is actually pretty commonplace.
Motive matters. If I kill a person because he's irradiated and spreading cancer to everybody around him, that wouldn't be nearly as bad if I killed him because I thought he was too pretty.
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I don't see how this is anything new, so I don't really get why it's a big thread here and news article etc.
That being said it's clearly tragic and seeing these types of videos gives me really torn feelings (because I want to physically torture that bully dbag for hours on end, but then I'm torn because that would be the same shit he was doing except with a legitimate reason behind it).
All I know is 3 days suspension is CLEARLY not even close to enough. Kid needs to go to jail 100%. This is assault as well as a hate crime... how can 3 days suspension from school be considered by anyone to be reasonable and sufficient?
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On October 28 2011 07:39 KwarK wrote:
Personally I'm against violence against gays for reasons based purely in their sexuality.
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On October 28 2011 19:03 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 19:02 cryL wrote:
Certainly not condoning this sort of behaviour and it's really quite disgusting, but if the kid wasn't gay nobody would have heard about it. As horrible as it is this kind of thing is actually pretty commonplace. Motive matters. If I kill a person because he's irradiated and spreading cancer to everybody around him, that wouldn't be nearly as bad if I killed him because I thought he was too pretty.
The motive was simply that he was a member of a minority being singled out by a bully. That is the entire premise of 'bullying', so motive in this case irrelevant. This entire report was just like, breaking news! A member of a minority group is the victim of bullying!
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Anyone can be beaten up in schools. The only difference is that this is a gay student .
No offense here.
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