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On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time.
Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way.
Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle.
And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed 
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On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed
But if my children's children can't have fins because there isn't anymore sharks, they'll be sad
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Bio diversity is not necessary for our survival and will not fundamentally improve our life. If you can find me solid evidence that says it will improve my life, or will cause harm to human lives then I am all for banning shark killing. All Ive seen is a bunch of people jump on the guy without the popular belief. I'm for the whole ripping off their fin for profit even if it kills the species, because i don't care if sharks go extinct unless it adversely affects my life.
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On October 28 2011 05:16 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed But if my children's children can't have fins because there isn't anymore sharks, they'll be sad
I'm sad i cant ride a velociraptor.
And anyways, your childrens children cant have fins with the ban either. So there's no difference  It's a lose-lose situation.
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On October 28 2011 05:20 r_con wrote:
Bio diversity is not necessary for our survival and will not fundamentally improve our life. If you can find me solid evidence that says it will improve my life, or will cause harm to human lives then I am all for banning shark killing. All Ive seen is a bunch of people jump on the guy without the popular belief. I'm for the whole ripping off their fin for profit even if it kills the species, because i don't care if sharks go extinct unless it adversely affects my life.
It adversely affects my life because I like my shark fin soup, and if sharks go extinct, I can't have my shark fin soup in the future.
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On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed
Any kind of extinction is bad and should be avoided, but having an apex predator go out of a region is really, really bad. Losing the apex means that whatever is that animal's prey will proliferate greatly, in turn decimating its food source which did not increase.
Great Whites prey on seals, sealions and the like. If sharks go, that population explodes, and then decimate the fish and crustacean that many humans depend on for food and income. That's just one type of shark. There's shitloads of different ones that prey on all sorts of different species.
this is all basic stuff you should have learned in elementary school
On October 28 2011 05:20 r_con wrote:
Bio diversity is not necessary for our survival and will not fundamentally improve our life. If you can find me solid evidence that says it will improve my life, or will cause harm to human lives then I am all for banning shark killing. All Ive seen is a bunch of people jump on the guy without the popular belief. I'm for the whole ripping off their fin for profit even if it kills the species, because i don't care if sharks go extinct unless it adversely affects my life.
See above.
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I wonder 50+ years from now, when our grandchildren live in a world where many of the life forms we know today are gone, a world where it is very difficult or impossible to find food that is untainted by chemicals, and the life span of people is declining, and we tell our decedents of how different things were when we were young, then they look at us and ask "why did you let this happen?" what will our answers to them will be?
We have but one world, we cannot afford to take it for granted.
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So the point you guys are making is it should be banned cause "shark" is endangered animal?
Ok let's harvest them then, that way in no way will we be hurting the natural world, which humans are natural last time i checked, and we are part of the system that we are not suppose to be effecting? Funny....
We can grow sharks in tanks, and sell them for meat and other stuff, and nobody will get mad?
Some shark loving hippy tree hugger will still bitch. They always do.
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And people who say X animal will be gone forever, so?
You know how many animals disapear off the face of the early early? LOTS and does it effect us? Sure? Does anyone really care? NO.
I find it funny that people actually make a big deal about one animal but then i see them spraying raid and putting mouse traps up in their house and killing mosquitos that are on their arms.
Also i see most people who care also believe in evolution, in which case, if the animal is meant to keep living it will come back in a few million years.
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On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed
wow that has to be one of the most ignorant things i have ever read in my life...
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On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed
i love you 1 of the few people on here who are SMART.
And understands that the world will keep going if an animal dies off the earth.
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On October 28 2011 06:05 moonLiteNite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed i love you 1 of the few people on here who are SMART. And understands that the world will keep going if an animal dies off the earth.
I'm always surprised to read something like that only to look at the poster and see that he is from a native english speaking country. :/?
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Claiming cultural respect for something completely barbaric is quite ironic.
so animal torture is cool just because we can and its some sort of tradition?
Instead of complaining, people should be ashamed, no matter if the actual ban happens for the wrong reasons.
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On October 28 2011 06:00 moonLiteNite wrote:
So the point you guys are making is it should be banned cause "shark" is endangered animal?
Ok let's harvest them then, that way in no way will we be hurting the natural world, which humans are natural last time i checked, and we are part of the system that we are not suppose to be effecting? Funny....
We can grow sharks in tanks, and sell them for meat and other stuff, and nobody will get mad?
Some shark loving hippy tree hugger will still bitch. They always do.
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And people who say X animal will be gone forever, so?
You know how many animals disapear off the face of the early early? LOTS and does it effect us? Sure? Does anyone really care? NO.
I find it funny that people actually make a big deal about one animal but then i see them spraying raid and putting mouse traps up in their house and killing mosquitos that are on their arms.
Also i see most people who care also believe in evolution, in which case, if the animal is meant to keep living it will come back in a few million years.
Then you ignore them, like you ignore vegetarians who tell you eating meat is bad. Why would you listen to someone who has no good arguments to present? The only good argument in this scenario is that sharks are endangered and an integral part of the ecosystem. If that doesn't hold, there's is no reason to ban shark fins, like there is no reason to ban meat.
To address your last point, I doubt that our government can ban deforestation in the Amazon which kill many species. When there is an easy way to help...they should do it. Like they did with Shark banning shark fins. Or like the banned Seal hunting...or like they impose quotas on fisherman. Stuff like that.
Once an animal becomes instinct, it doesn't come back in a few million years. I don't think I need to explain this to you. Are dinosaurs back? Don't tell me it's because they weren't meant to keep living, because they ruled the planet far longer than us and died because of an asteroid.
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On October 28 2011 04:48 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +Who are you to tell me I can't force my values on other people? Oh look, relativism is silly.
A culture can have it's own values, but it can also be wrong. I would argue a cultural view that promoted an environmentally and economically unsustainable path to be one worth reconsidering the 'rightness' of. Well generally speaking it's not considered ok to enforce values on other people because then others may try to enforce their values on you. Of course there's no such rule. So I wasn't using absolute relativism, I was using relative relativism... I'm sure you're not suggesting that we all go attack china and beat up their people until they change their mind on sharkfin soups. Also, enforcing these values gonna cost money... ironically... buying shark-fins also costs significant money... do you see where I'm going with this? As a general rule it's worth to look at the monetary flow that fuels the demand for a product when you're considering the costs of prohibiting said product, the two are related.
You're already trying to enforce your value of tolerance on me, so how can you argue that it's not ok to enforce values? There's obviously limits to the idea that 'we should be tolerant' - it has places where it should be applied, and places where it doesn't necessarily hold. I'm sure on a general basis you agree so let's leave that there.
Of course nobody's suggesting trying to force China to adopt a policy or different culture, because that's a matter of state autonomy (far more ramifications, increased costs to consider, not feasible, etc). However, this ban isn't of that nature.
I agree that how effective and economic the ban is is also important, but my first though is that if it fails in this regard, that's a matter of poor execution rather than an inherent problem with the ban. There are exceptions to that too, of course.
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it feels like we are fucking over the fishermen more and more each year...
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It reminds me of the American Buffalo. One of the most abundant species got hunted to near extinction, and only for its skin/hide. Tons (literally) of meat wasted. Its just stupid that because we find the fins more valuable than any other part of the shark, we would then find it excusable to live-amputate these creatures and leave them to die. Disgusting practice.
Traditions are MADE to be broken. All of our ancestors did things that are now considered archaic and stupid. I don't care about a Chinese tradition or any other tradition if that tradition is founded upon extreme cruelty. If they could support their tradition without having to fund these reckless fishermen, then that's their responsibility to do so and it should've been done a while ago.
You can't regulate fishing. It's just not practical to police what someone is doing on a boat in open ocean waters. Banning this soup is the next logical step. I'm all for it.
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On October 28 2011 06:00 moonLiteNite wrote:
So the point you guys are making is it should be banned cause "shark" is endangered animal?
Ok let's harvest them then, that way in no way will we be hurting the natural world, which humans are natural last time i checked, and we are part of the system that we are not suppose to be effecting? Funny....
We can grow sharks in tanks, and sell them for meat and other stuff, and nobody will get mad?
Some shark loving hippy tree hugger will still bitch. They always do.
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And people who say X animal will be gone forever, so?
You know how many animals disapear off the face of the early early? LOTS and does it effect us? Sure? Does anyone really care? NO.
I find it funny that people actually make a big deal about one animal but then i see them spraying raid and putting mouse traps up in their house and killing mosquitos that are on their arms.
Also i see most people who care also believe in evolution, in which case, if the animal is meant to keep living it will come back in a few million years.
Wow. The ignorance in this thread is simply astounding. Sorry MoonLiteNite, I don't meant to single you out here as you are obviously not the only one uneducated in the basic principles of biology and evolution. I'm simply quoting you as a prime example.
Once an animal is extinct, it's extinct, it's not coming back. You have no clue what impact shark extinction would have on us and I guarantee you it would have a big impact. Someone in the fishing industry would completely disagree with you on that.
Furthermore, you realize pests such as mosquitos and mice are not endangered species, in fact they are the opposite, they tend to overpopulate due to ignorant humans messing up the eco system (ie. most likely destroying populations of their natural predators, a similar situation that will happen if sharks go extinct).
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On October 28 2011 06:51 Leporello wrote:
It reminds me of the American Buffalo. One of the most abundant species got hunted to near extinction, and only for its skin/hide. Tons (literally) of meat wasted. Its just stupid that because we find the fins more valuable than any other part of the shark, we would then find it excusable to live-amputate these creatures and leave them to die. Disgusting practice.
Traditions are MADE to be broken. All of our ancestors did things that are now considered archaic and stupid. I don't care about a Chinese tradition or any other tradition if that tradition is founded upon extreme cruelty. If they could support their tradition without having to fund these reckless fishermen, then that's their responsibility to do so and it should've been done a while ago.
You can't regulate fishing. It's just not practical to police what someone is doing on a boat in open ocean waters. Banning this soup is the next logical step. I'm all for it.
Buffalos make good burgers, and didn't have mercury in them, now Shark Steak is ok maybe once in a month, anymore is pretty bad for you
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I'd be more than happy to support this practice to continue, if all the morons who think the environment only exists to serve human whims were to be sterilized. It's depressing to realize just how many deeply ignorant and selfish people I have to share this planet with. I hope none of these people ever reproduce. Because it's pure selfishness and ignorance that leads people to believe that there is nothing wrong with Humans causing the mass extinction event that is currently taking place on this planet. It's pure foolishness that they don't even realize these behaviors and ideologies threaten there own specie's existence. Unfortunately, everyone has to suffer for the choices made by the foolish.
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This is quite an emotional issue for most, as some feel their culture is being disregarded by this ban, a tyranny of the majority etc. I have not tried the dish so i cannot speak about its taste however i think its really irrelevant how good it is, as taste is so subjective its pointless in my opinion to get into it. Hypothetically, if i tried it and thought it was the best dish i have ever tasted, it still wouldnt justify the methods the fishermen use. The Government should have made an attempt to regulate the fishing method or at least a better attempt if one was made, which appears to be horribly wasteful, as well as quite unethical to most, instead of the outright ban in my personal opinion, however a blanket ban appears to be the cheaper solution so it was implemented. If there was a way to regulate the fishing or to make it ethical i believe the complete ban is unjustified, but if there was no conceivable way then it is the right way to do it from my perspective.
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