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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
On November 01 2011 02:08 Gescom wrote: You don't think you're taking this a tad far...? =/ I wasn't describing chaos, I was describing subtle effects that would reverberate throughout the system and go largely unnoticed. Any sensationalizing was done on your end. | ||
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101 Posts
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pwnographic
Canada5 Posts
In favor that I do like the shark fin soup, this kinda sucks balls to me. However, I can see both sides of this issue I recall reading a documentary about the shark meat isn't good so they toss the rest of the shark (hoping it's survival without a fin [pretty bull imo]). The Chinese culture actually believes there's something nutrients in the fin of the shark that makes you healthy, skin revitalizes, makes your immune system stronger and something something illness. (blah blah blah) I just like it because it tastes yummy. Half of the people here will call it bullshit and the other half are most likely indifferent to it. Now the Asian community is practically huge across GTA. Do you think they'll lift this ban when all the Chinese Restaurant Owners will form a petition/strike/protest/whatever-the-case-is? I read across that with this kind of ban, the ban was based on a biased opinion and this will affect the Asian Minority community. (Mind you I use the word Asian Minority very loosely since every where I go there's an Asian person) Either way, I still like to wait and see what will happened next, lawsuit possibly? | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
"Up to 70 million sharks are killed each year by fishermen, according to University of Florida's International Shark Attack File." Yeah, with that statistic I say perma-ban shark fins. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:40 Yme wrote: I've never ate shark fin soup before as it's way too expensive, and most Chinese people are pretty cheap. I'd bet that if you go to mainland China, most of the people never ate shark fins. uhmm... Did you just say that most Chinese people, myself included, are pretty cheap? :/ | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On October 26 2011 18:16 blah_blah wrote: How is this any different than various municipalities or jurisdictions banning e.g. foie gras? Whether you eat meat or not, it's hard to argue that the general method by which shark fin is produced is less responsibly done and less ethical than just about any other sort of meat production/animal hunting. If there are genuine, well-founded concerns about sustainability of shark populations due to hunting for shark fin (which I really can't be bothered to research for myself, given that my current consumption of shark fin is 0), then this is pretty much a no-brainer. Just because X and Y are allowed, and they're morally equivalent, is NO argument that X shouldn't be disallowed. Completely fallacious argument. Also your claim of equivalency is not right .. Cows are bolt gunned and knocked out before death. Sharks aren't. Shark fin harvesting is like cow dick harvesting, then you leave the cow to bleed out after you cut it off. THAT'S the analogous scenario. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On November 06 2011 22:18 arbitrageur wrote: So happy with this ban. I'm Azn but this stuff is just sick. If the sharks were bolt gunned before death so their consciousness didn't experience a slow and painful death I wouldn't care. its been said before, this ban isn't about animal cruelty, but sustainability. if you were really worried about animal cruelty then you should become a vegetarian. or at least strictly eat only halal meats. and this ban affects the chinese in toronto more than i thought - the only two places where shark fin soup are served in toronto have mostly chinese consumers and are now banned. | ||
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SolidGasPro
93 Posts
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On November 06 2011 22:14 theBALLS wrote: uhmm... Did you just say that most Chinese people, myself included, are pretty cheap? :/ Well, from reading his post, it would appear he said 'most Chinese people'. Whether you are included would depend on whether you, in fact, are cheap, no? Don't know if I agree with the statement in general, but there's certainly some major income disparity there. | ||
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Grettin
42412 Posts
Taiwan to ban shark finning from 2012 Taiwan, which has the fourth largest shark-fishing industry in the world, has passed a new law to ban shark finning. The practice of cutting off the fins, which are used in soup, and throwing the bodies back into the sea has been blamed for the 80 per cent drop in shark populations. The ban, which is due to take effect next year, has been welcomed by conservationists but they say it does not go far enough. Source | ||
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Whyzguy
Canada263 Posts
Also, we're being fooled. Some of us here in Toronto are so worried about this sharkfin stuff that we've forgotten that a portion of our trasnport system has been on strike for 5 weeks. Why can't we get that fixed instead? | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
I'm not by any means promoting this but i'm just saying why are such drastic measures being taken, on just this one issue. As a chinese person i'm sort of even saying it's kinda racist. | ||
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
The movement to have cities ban shark fin products experienced a setback Wednesday as Mississauga councillors repealed the ban they passed in October. It’s unclear if the ban on the sale or consumption of shark fin is simply being postponed, or will have to be passed all over again. The bylaw passed Wednesday stated the ban “is no longer in force and effect until June 30, 2012, to allow time to meet” with representatives of the federal government. http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1102238--mississauga-backtracks-on-shark-fin-ban?bn=1 | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:54 AnodyneSea wrote: Mississauga has repealed the ban on shark fins and surrounding areas like toronto could follow suit. http://www.thestar.com/news/cityhallpolitics/article/1102238--mississauga-backtracks-on-shark-fin-ban?bn=1 Wow, I certainly hope they're not just caving to people who are telling them this is racist. It's not about race, it's about us (humanity) losing a possible cure to some cancers and a top-tier predator from the ecosystem because we find their fin tastes really great in soup. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On November 30 2011 06:59 InsidiA wrote: I persoanlly think this is dumb. Why? it's a good step to starting things like this but why ban shark fin and not other things of this sort? Also theres a law in Canada (as this ban took place in Toronto recently) that all shark fin imports have to be from sharks where the WHOLE shark is used. So the issues isn't too huge. I'm not by any means promoting this but i'm just saying why are such drastic measures being taken, on just this one issue. As a chinese person i'm sort of even saying it's kinda racist. Well, good thing Chinese isn't a race or we'd be in trouble. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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