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On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed 
What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement...
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On October 28 2011 06:05 moonLiteNite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed i love you 1 of the few people on here who are SMART. And understands that the world will keep going if an animal dies off the earth.
I know right? Solid logic. We should try killing off more dolphins and whales too they have fins I bet they would be good in soup. Who cares if they go extinct? I'm sure killing off animals that are essential to marine life won't have a negative effect.
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On October 28 2011 05:20 r_con wrote:
Bio diversity is not necessary for our survival and will not fundamentally improve our life. If you can find me solid evidence that says it will improve my life, or will cause harm to human lives then I am all for banning shark killing. All Ive seen is a bunch of people jump on the guy without the popular belief. I'm for the whole ripping off their fin for profit even if it kills the species, because i don't care if sharks go extinct unless it adversely affects my life.
Pick up any biology textbook. Google search biodiversity and read any article. There is your solid evidence. I kinda thought this stuff was common knowledge by now... guess you can never underestimate human stupidity.
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I don't mind the consumption of shark fin, but the way they harvest shark fin is unsustainable for our ecosystem and its unethical. So... yeah I guess its fine.
I'm Chinese and I don't even find shark fin to be that much of a "delicacy". Some of our cuisine really isn't suited for western society, such as the consumption of dog meat which sounds horrifying/baffling.
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I'm personally Chinese and I think this cultural stuff being used as an argument is total bs. just because you've been doing it for the past millennia doesn't mean it's right.
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So many ignorant, uneducated people here that it's astonishing.
Decrease in the number of sharks may have a profound effect on ecological balance - in some parts of the world that may translate into large ecological/economical loss.
No reason to temper with the ecological balance that exists - and there's no reason to hunt a species to extinction either. It's valuable biological presence that we are taking away from our predecessors.
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Anyone disregarding the importance of preventing the extinction of a species seems awfully short sighted to me. Aside from the points raised already regarding the screwing of the eco-system (remove predator A, predator A's prey over populates and decimates whatever it eats) there are more selfish reasons as well. Every species has the potential to be of use to humans for research at some point. Sharks for example are extremely resistant to cancer and research has been done to see if we can benefit from that. It seems like utter stupidity to let a unique resource perish forever for a soup.
I'm not really too concerned about the supposed animal cruelty involved or the wastefulness of just taking the fins, we can apply those arguments to a variety of other animals we eat all the time. Either way, those issues are debatable. The fact that the sharks are endangered is the key point here and I can't see how people are arguing against this. Aren't we all going to feel stupid if sharks held the key to curing cancer and we willfully hunted them to extinction because we wanted some tasty soup?
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We should restrict/ban/tax shark fin, It tastes great, was awesome while it lasted, let us have a moment of silence for the cuisine, it will be missed, but we do what we must to not extinct sharks, I mean hell no more sharks = no more fins ever again.
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On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement...
Humans are part of nature too you know.
First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously.
Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is "tampering" just as much as killing it is.
I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement.
Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution.
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On October 28 2011 07:35 Blasterion wrote:
We should restrict/ban/tax shark fin, It tastes great, was awesome while it lasted, let us have a moment of silence for the cuisine, it will be missed, but we do what we must to not extinct sharks, I mean hell no more sharks = no more fins ever again.
From biology stand point, so long as they farm the sharks for their fin AND make full use of the sharks there is nothing wrong with doing that.
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On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is tampering just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution.
You clearly don't understand the difference between letting a species die vs directly killing it off.
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On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is "tampering" just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution.
No, those species are going extinct because of 'indirect' (really is direct imo) involvement of us humans. Acts such as deforestation for one, changes ecosystem in large ways.
To not tamper with ecosystem is to have us humans not be greedy and not change the world around us - for the worst.
And 'banning stuff' will lessen the demand for the products nonetheless.
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On October 28 2011 07:43 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is tampering just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution. You clearly don't understand the difference between letting a species die vs directly killing it off.
Ehhh. Hunting a species = killing it off indirectly?
I dont get it. Humans have hunted down and killed so many species, important species. Or are you referring to something else?
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Jumping in here as another Chinese who's fine with this ban. Shark fin is just cartilage - if you want to know what it tastes like, there's plenty of other cartilage out there. Whenever we can start artificially growing shark fin cartilage, I hope this becomes a moot point.
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On October 28 2011 07:41 LuciferSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:35 Blasterion wrote:
We should restrict/ban/tax shark fin, It tastes great, was awesome while it lasted, let us have a moment of silence for the cuisine, it will be missed, but we do what we must to not extinct sharks, I mean hell no more sharks = no more fins ever again. From biology stand point, so long as they farm the sharks for their fin AND make full use of the sharks there is nothing wrong with doing that.
But shark steak has too much mercury =/
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Hmmmm, let's think about this for a second.
No ban = extinction, no shark fins ever again
Ban = sharks rebound, future generations can have a chance to try it
If you are for the tradition, and want the soup to continue to exist the ban is a GOOD thing. If you want sharks to survive for other reasons the ban is a GOOD thing. Either way, the shark finning industry is unsustainable.
So why are we arguing about this?
Perfect example, the Florida Alligator. They were endangered about 20 years ago, so they became protected by law. Now the populations have rebounded quickly. Now there is an abundance of them, people are allowed to hunt them again (it is controlled and regulated) the skins can be used for making shoes, belts, purses and at some restaurants you can have fried gator tail. They are also being "farmed"
If they didn't make the move to protect them 20 years ago and they were eradicated. Then the gator industry would have become extinct as well. The way it worked out they just had to take break for a decade or so.
If you enjoy shark fin soup or want your future generations to be able and try it, why wouldn't you want to make sure that they don't go extinct? There are over 200 species of sharks that are currently endangered, and a few that are believed to have gone extinct (because no one has seen them in almost 20 years)
How is making sure they survive bad for anyone?
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On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is tampering just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution.
Yes, we are part of nature but are we a part of the marine eco system? No. Are the the shark's natural predator? No. So us hunting the shark is "unnatural" despite us being part of nature so to speak.
Yea, we've helped bring about the extinction of species, and it was a bad thing every time... And no, we aren't exaggerating anything. It is common sense, Apex Predators (the top predator) such as Sharks are extremely important in regulating an eco-system. Their rates of feeding regulate the rest of the environment (animal and plant, which also affects nutrients and resources) through a process called top-down regulation.
And I think YOU need to realize that letting species die is not completely natural in any way if the cause of their extinction was humans. Not to mention this isnt "letting" a species die, this is "killing" a species.
There is just so much wrong with your logic here. If you don't believe us, just take some time to ask a biology professor, I assure you they will tell you the exact same principles.
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On October 28 2011 07:47 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:43 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is tampering just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution. You clearly don't understand the difference between letting a species die vs directly killing it off. Ehhh. Hunting a species = killing it off indirectly? I dont get it. Humans have hunted down and killed so many species, important species. Or are you referring to something else?
Hunting a species = killing it off directly, not that there's any importance to defining that concept.
You guys don't realize that the very presence of us humans (in this gigantic number) overloads the ecosystem. We are causing change sin the balance of ecosystem in very traumatic way - just with our very presence. In other words, our presence and the way we are present in this ecosystem is not natural. That is why we must preserve the ecosystem in an 'unnatural way' by farming our animal protein sources instead of hunting them down, as we vastly outnumber pretty much any animal species.
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Actually i never really think about it as i was never interested in that dish. But i would love to try it once. But really only once so i can say i ate it.
But i guess its a good thing for the environment and everything. So i support that.
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On October 28 2011 07:47 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:43 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 07:38 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 07:17 SupLilSon wrote:On October 28 2011 04:55 Deadlyfish wrote:On October 28 2011 04:11 zeehar wrote:On October 28 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
I'm against it. People should eat what they wanna eat. doesnt bother me.
I dont really care if the sharks are extinct anyways to be honest. it's kinda sad if you don't care that a apex predator in ocean ecosystems become extinct, which WILL adversely affect humans living somewhere else in one way or another. you'd probably get more angry if your favourite unit got a 1 second nerf to build time. Well millions of species have gone extinct throughout history, it isnt the end of the world. Each and every one of them probably affected the ecosystem in some way. Aside from the occasional shark-week on discovery the shark has no effect on my life and therefore i dont care about the actual ban. Whoever actually eats the fin can decide, it's not up to me. I'm just against these sort of bans as principle. And i play random, i dont care if units are nerfed What? How can you not see a clear difference between natural extinction and extinction greatly accelerated by human involvement... Humans are part of nature too you know. First off, not banning shark fin soup wont make the species go extinct, obviously. Humans have killed THOUSANDS of species, big and small alike, and animals that are probably more important that the shark. So saying that the shark is gonna bring everything down is just silly. Yea it will affect the ecosystem but people are really exaggerating it. But i'm not a biologist, and neither are any of you (i think), so lets not discuss that. Saving everything from extinction is tampering just as much as killing it is. I think humans need to realize that letting a species die is completely natural. Are we gonna try and save every species from now on like we're already doing? (at least every non-insect species). It's silly. Species have gone extinct and will continue to go extinct, with or without human involvement. Also, banning stuff just creates a black market for it or whatever. Elefefant tusks and such are a good example of that. If you really want to save the shark I dont think this is the solution. You clearly don't understand the difference between letting a species die vs directly killing it off. Ehhh. Hunting a species = killing it off indirectly? I dont get it. Humans have hunted down and killed so many species, important species. Or are you referring to something else?
I'm referring to hunting a species to extinction.
We cause the extinction of hundreds of species every year through indirect methods that come from human development. Habitat destruction and pollution are the primary reason why we're seeing a much higher rate of extinction that rivals some of the mass extinctions of history. That, however, is unstoppable as long as we want living standards to continue to increase. Directly causing the extinction of an animal through hunting is 100% preventable though, and there's no reason to increase the strain on the environment any more then we need to.
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