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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 03:45 GMT
#701
On October 27 2011 12:42 Blasterion wrote:
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On October 27 2011 12:35 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:33 theBALLS wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:29 LanTAs wrote:

How about, thick clear rice vermicelli? Closest thing you'll ever get to shark fin without artificial shark fin or just shark fin, but its missing that nice texture that shark fins have.

NO!

NONONONONONONO.

Do not speak any further my white friend.

Hahaha. In all seriousness, NO.

Nonononono.

God no.

I'm 100% Chinese.

XD I'm just joking around :DD

As long as shark fin isn't banned, I will not tolerate rice vermicelli inside my "shark fin" soup. Never.Ever.

Rather have Fish Maw


Yeah, I really like the taste of Fish Maw inside any soup, it actually adds a bit of...
I guess creaminess to the soup? Still tastes good :D. Fish Maw+ Shark Fin= Crazy Delicous :D
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
October 27 2011 03:46 GMT
#702
On October 27 2011 12:43 LanTAs wrote:
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On October 27 2011 12:37 Zidane wrote:
I've had shark fin soup being half chinese. Gordon Ramsay hit on the head when he says it adds absolutely ZERO to the soup.

I don't understand how people say its DELICIOUS rofl. I bet most of you think so because your parents tell you so.


The texture is quite nice combined with the taste of the soup, which is why a shit load of us love it. Yeah, it does have quite a bit of mercury, and yes it may be that our parents told us so, but it is quite delicious :D. Definitely worth saving the shark now so that later when I'm on my death bed, I can enjoy a good hot bowl of shark fin soup :D


I bet you money if I used a substitute and told you it was shark fin you would not notice the difference.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:46 GMT
#703
On October 27 2011 12:43 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:37 Zidane wrote:
I've had shark fin soup being half chinese. Gordon Ramsay hit on the head when he says it adds absolutely ZERO to the soup.

I don't understand how people say its DELICIOUS rofl. I bet most of you think so because your parents tell you so.


The texture is quite nice combined with the taste of the soup, which is why a shit load of us love it. Yeah, it does have quite a bit of mercury, and yes it may be that our parents told us so, but it is quite delicious :D. Definitely worth saving the shark now so that later when I'm on my death bed, I can enjoy a good hot bowl of shark fin soup :D

Screw shark fin soup I want Albalones on my death bed
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Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:46 GMT
#704
On October 27 2011 12:45 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:42 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:35 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:33 theBALLS wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:29 LanTAs wrote:

How about, thick clear rice vermicelli? Closest thing you'll ever get to shark fin without artificial shark fin or just shark fin, but its missing that nice texture that shark fins have.

NO!

NONONONONONONO.

Do not speak any further my white friend.

Hahaha. In all seriousness, NO.

Nonononono.

God no.

I'm 100% Chinese.

XD I'm just joking around :DD

As long as shark fin isn't banned, I will not tolerate rice vermicelli inside my "shark fin" soup. Never.Ever.

Rather have Fish Maw


Yeah, I really like the taste of Fish Maw inside any soup, it actually adds a bit of...
I guess creaminess to the soup? Still tastes good :D. Fish Maw+ Shark Fin= Crazy Delicous :D

Heh I see how a combo like that could work.
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Obaten
Profile Joined December 2010
United States730 Posts
October 27 2011 03:47 GMT
#705
Here's how I look at it. If shark fin continues to be harvested in the same way, then there will be no more shark fin for the future generations to enjoy. So, if you actually keep the "chinese tradition" of eating shark fin soup, you are really killing the tradition. I'm of Chinese descent by the way, just thought I'd add that before someone accuses me of not understanding.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:47 GMT
#706
On October 27 2011 12:47 Obaten wrote:
Here's how I look at it. If shark fin continues to be harvested in the same way, then there will be no more shark fin for the future generations to enjoy. So, if you actually keep the "chinese tradition" of eating shark fin soup, you are really killing the tradition. I'm of Chinese descent by the way, just thought I'd add that before someone accuses me of not understanding.

Save now, more for later, I like it
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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#707
On October 27 2011 12:46 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:43 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:37 Zidane wrote:
I've had shark fin soup being half chinese. Gordon Ramsay hit on the head when he says it adds absolutely ZERO to the soup.

I don't understand how people say its DELICIOUS rofl. I bet most of you think so because your parents tell you so.


The texture is quite nice combined with the taste of the soup, which is why a shit load of us love it. Yeah, it does have quite a bit of mercury, and yes it may be that our parents told us so, but it is quite delicious :D. Definitely worth saving the shark now so that later when I'm on my death bed, I can enjoy a good hot bowl of shark fin soup :D

Screw shark fin soup I want Albalones on my death bed


Well we'll be having abalone all throughout our lives because they probably won't be banned.

You by any chance, from the Bay Area? Noticed you said "hella" which is distinctively something we say over here :D
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#708
On October 27 2011 12:46 Zidane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:43 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:37 Zidane wrote:
I've had shark fin soup being half chinese. Gordon Ramsay hit on the head when he says it adds absolutely ZERO to the soup.

I don't understand how people say its DELICIOUS rofl. I bet most of you think so because your parents tell you so.


The texture is quite nice combined with the taste of the soup, which is why a shit load of us love it. Yeah, it does have quite a bit of mercury, and yes it may be that our parents told us so, but it is quite delicious :D. Definitely worth saving the shark now so that later when I'm on my death bed, I can enjoy a good hot bowl of shark fin soup :D


I bet you money if I used a substitute and told you it was shark fin you would not notice the difference.


Bring. It. On.

There is a clear difference. A CLEAR DIFFERENCE( see what i did there?).
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#709
On October 27 2011 12:46 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:45 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:42 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:35 LanTAs wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:33 theBALLS wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:29 LanTAs wrote:

How about, thick clear rice vermicelli? Closest thing you'll ever get to shark fin without artificial shark fin or just shark fin, but its missing that nice texture that shark fins have.

NO!

NONONONONONONO.

Do not speak any further my white friend.

Hahaha. In all seriousness, NO.

Nonononono.

God no.

I'm 100% Chinese.

XD I'm just joking around :DD

As long as shark fin isn't banned, I will not tolerate rice vermicelli inside my "shark fin" soup. Never.Ever.

Rather have Fish Maw


Yeah, I really like the taste of Fish Maw inside any soup, it actually adds a bit of...
I guess creaminess to the soup? Still tastes good :D. Fish Maw+ Shark Fin= Crazy Delicous :D

Heh I see how a combo like that could work.


Fish Maw+ Chicken+ Shark Fin, I forgot what other ingredients my parents put into the soup but it is really effing good ^.^
IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 03:51:06
October 27 2011 03:50 GMT
#710

On October 27 2011 12:18 Blasterion wrote:
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On October 27 2011 12:17 Zidane wrote:
Maybe you should just accept that many things chinese are retarded, such as shark fin soup as a status symbol, instead of thinking everyone is trying to attack you just because you are chinese.

Because talking shit about the errors of other cultures is all that you foreigners are capable of



This is very insulting and i am amazed that you aren't warned or banned from this. I cant believe you have the nerve to say something like that.

You ask what we want from Chinese culture. STOP using sharkfin for soup. The key point (which has just been ignored and ignored from people whining about their culture) is that sharks are declining rapidly and are becoming endangered. They are much more important for the marine environment than any of your old, traditional, status-symbol soup.

I am not going to negatively stereotype a whole culture and group of people like you did but i will say that you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't try and represent Chinese culture because the Chinese people surely aren't like you.

Thank you
"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 03:55:07
October 27 2011 03:51 GMT
#711
Huh. Getting some serious mixed messages about Fish Maw and comparison of it to Shark Fin, haha. I have a very unrefined taste bud, though, so it might not make a difference to me. For now, I guess I'm try some Fish Maw and consider it in its own right, since it sounds delicious.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:52 GMT
#712
On October 27 2011 12:51 bearbuddy wrote:
Huh. Getting some serious mixed messages about Fish Maw and comparison to Shark Fin, haha. I have a very unrefined taste bud, though, so it might not make a difference to me. For now, I guess I'm try some Fish Maw and consider it in its own right, since it sounds delicious.

it's as good as a proxy can get
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Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
October 27 2011 03:53 GMT
#713
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
October 27 2011 03:54 GMT
#714
On October 27 2011 09:37 Kiarip wrote:
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On October 27 2011 09:33 Reborn8u wrote:
I think humanity has driven enough species out of existence. Even if you lack compassion, it's obvious that we threaten our own existence if we don't change our ways. Totally support the ban, these animals should be treated with more respect.

Just last year another species of rhino became extinct. We have a responsibility as the dominant species on this planet to stop acting like jackasses by annihilating lifeforms.
http://www.livescience.com/16744-vietnam-javan-rhino-extinct.html

Here is a list of endangered shark species, there are 201 of them. These animals have existed for millions of years and in just a few generations we are managing to erase them from existence.

http://www.shark.ch/Database/EndangeredSharks/index.html?lim=8&slang=2



on average there's a species going extinct every 20 minutes. If there's a suppl for shark fins there will be a demand regardles of whether it's legal or not, you're just forcing honest people trying to make their living into becoming criminals...

It's not our responsibility to save individual species, or even to avoid destroying them altogether, unless their lack of existence poses some kind of negative consequences for whoever's is gonna be left alive.


There is a species going extinct every 20 minutes Because of humans
No, we are not forcing them to become criminals, we are forcing them to not cause extinction. There are plenty of other aquatic animals they can hunt for profit, that don't face extinction. A lot of seafood is being farmed these days. Maybe they should try it.

(Most of us) We have these things called brains, when we use them and really think about our role on this planet, and what an oasis of life this Earth is. Among the vast emptiness of space that surrounds this planet completely devoid of anything that can sustain life. We realize that It IS our responsibility to save species instead of destroying them

"We don't need sharks in the seas for any reason. They eat fish, and we're already over-fishing the Oceans, so overpopulation of fish won't be a problem, most people don't eat actual sharks, they don't compose a large portion of people's diet, so if someone want's to have shark fins there's literally no negative consequence to it other than people in the future not being able to get shark fins..."

This is just such an ignorant statement I'm not even sure how to respond. Are you trolling? Apex predators like sharks are CRUCIAL to a healthy eco system. They weed out the weak and sick, and make sure that the stronger and healthier prey survive into adulthood.

Everything on this planet has a role and co-exists (except humans) their existence has a purpose grander than such small minded thinking can comprehend. The fact that you honestly believe that everything on this planet is just here so we can harvest it until it's gone, leaves me almost speechless. This kind of thinking is EXACTLY what will lead humans to their own self destruction. I feel ashamed that we are even the same species. You need to do some reading kid, because arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand. You clearly are a pile of both, there are mountains of research about the role apex predators fill and their importance. Maybe you should try to learn what you are talking about before you spew the first idiotic thing that comes to mind.

A decade or so ago, scientists re-introduced wolves to Yellow Stone National Park. Humans had eradicated them from the mid-western U.S. It was controversial at the time, a lot of foolish people made terrible arguments about the lack of necessity. Now that they are once again thriving, it is clear to everyone how important they are. All of the herds of grazing animals have become overall healthier, and are maintaining sustainable populations. They have brought balance. The reproduction of the wolves' prey is being kept in check, the grazing herds can't just stand around all day doing nothing and making babies. They are being chased by wolf packs and forced to stay on the move. The weak don't survive to create weak offspring. Also, many scavenger animals are thriving again because of the carcasses being left. Ecosystems are incredibly complex, it's not about "what can they do for us" They do things for us that are so indirect we don't even realize it.

Do you realize that the reason this earth has an atmosphere and breathable oxygen is because microscopic organisms in the ocean were performing photosynthesis for billions of years, of which oxygen is a byproduct. All the oxygen then floated to the surface and accumulated creating the biosphere your breathing right now? If you didn't realize this would you also say about them "it's just plankton who cares if it goes extinct?"

Would you just pull a part out of your car engine, when you didn't understand it's role? Then jump on the highway and try to drive to Miami. No, because the car might run for a little while, but that part might have been part of your cooling system. So now 20 miles down the road your engine is catching fire.

Bottom line, our generation was born unto a dying world. Yea, that's right, if things keep going the way they are then it isn't a question of "if we will all die" it's a question of "how long till it happens". Humanities destruction of earths environment has started a timer, that ends with our own extinction. Problem is we don't understand how to read the clock, we don't know how much time we have to try and fix what we've done.

Yeah, sharks might be just a tiny piece of the overall issue. But it's the thinking (or complete lack of) behind this behavior that I find so disturbing.

:)
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:54 GMT
#715
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,
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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 03:55 GMT
#716
On October 27 2011 12:51 bearbuddy wrote:
Huh. Getting some serious mixed messages about Fish Maw and comparison to Shark Fin, haha. I have a very unrefined taste bud, though, so it might not make a difference to me. For now, I guess I'm try some Fish Maw and consider it in its own right, since it sounds delicious.


Well, even for the most unrefined taste buds, one might noticed that when cooked (usually an ingredient in soup), it has a very nice taste and quite a weird texture that's somewhere around the ballpark of shark fin but yet is completely different. Shark fin has no taste at all and its clear, so that's a heads p\up for you :D
Symbioth
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland103 Posts
October 27 2011 03:55 GMT
#717
People who are indifferent to animal cruelty are being brainwashed morons. To the degree this change helps diminishing/cessation of animal cruelty and unnecessary hunting (and it might), it should be supported.


Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 03:56 GMT
#718
On October 27 2011 12:55 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:51 bearbuddy wrote:
Huh. Getting some serious mixed messages about Fish Maw and comparison to Shark Fin, haha. I have a very unrefined taste bud, though, so it might not make a difference to me. For now, I guess I'm try some Fish Maw and consider it in its own right, since it sounds delicious.


Well, even for the most unrefined taste buds, one might noticed that when cooked (usually an ingredient in soup), it has a very nice taste and quite a weird texture that's somewhere around the ballpark of shark fin but yet is completely different. Shark fin has no taste at all and its clear, so that's a heads p\up for you :D

But it really adds in to the soup, it is just a very thoroughly prepared cuisine
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
October 27 2011 03:58 GMT
#719
On October 27 2011 12:34 shawster wrote:
good, ban that shit.

the way that shark fins are harvested disgust me. i don't see a problem with them infringing upon the rights of the minority. culture isn't an excuse if it causes that much damage to ecosystems and shark populations. i would ban consumption of any meat or product that is harvested unjustly and harmfully.

it's fucking stupid that people are bringing race into discussion. this has nothing to do with race, retards. this ban is about stopping damage to shark populations and stopping unethical finning of sharks. i understand that it hurts some chinese culture but unfortunately i would say culture is less important than the issue at hand.

if eating a delicacy is more important to you than stopping poaching and dwindling shark populations then you're kind of selfish. cut off indulgence and do some good will ya?

the sad part about this discussion is that if i say i'm 100% chinese then i'll be taken more seriously.


what makes you think banning shark fin eating in toronto will stop shark pouching?

the way i see it, china, hong kong, singapore will NEVER ban shark fin soup. if the rest of the world bans it, then that just means there will be much more supply for shark fin soup for chinese people living in these chinese countries; the price of the soup wont go down as it will be balanced by the decreasing population of sharks and just by the vast amount of overseas people who will travel to these legal areas JUST to be able to eat shark fin soup.

imo, countries banning shark fin soup is just decreasing their GDP and making chinese countries richer
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
October 27 2011 03:58 GMT
#720
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.
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