On October 27 2011 11:54 theBALLS wrote: Chill blasterion! There there.
I'm Chinese by race, not by nationality. There are many, many things that we deserved to be mocked about. The worst thing to do now is to take things personally.
There are 2 main reasons why sharks fin is banned there:
1) Unsustainability 2) Ethical reasons.
Goody good good! This is very, very similar to the whaling problem in Japan.
However, at the same time, 99% of this dish is consumed by us Chinese. That's where the factor of tolerance comes in.
There may be certain issues that one may deem unacceptable from another culture, but sometimes, we have to shut up and turn a blind eye. Whether this is one of the instances or not, I'm not arguing.
So let's not be a bunch of chinese schizos aight my man? When I get mocked gook, ching chong, whatever, I laugh it off; it's pretty funny. The world can't be taken too seriously!
TL;DR: I FUCKING LOVE SHARKS FIN. However, I know that it's bad for the environment, so herp derp okay yada yada take it away from me, I know it's for the greater good. BUT, sharks fin may mean A LOT more to other people, especially the traditional Chinese folk (my first language is English). Give and take, take a punch, bite your lip; sometimes governments have to practice more tact.
Exactly! The nerve of these foreigners! fine you can ban one of the food I love, but witch hunting us for liking it? They are taking it way too far
Nobody is on a witch-hunt, you're paranoid!
It doesn't matter if you like it, it doesn't matter the colour of your skin, it doesn't matter what country you're from, it doesn't matter what your traditions and culture are.
The FACTS are that it is banned because it is unsustainable and sharks are an integral part of that ecosystem. If you were a white guy eating shark fin it would be exactly the same, you're not being targeted in any way.
On October 27 2011 11:54 koreasilver wrote: Is it really that difficult to maybe accept that China really does have a slew of problems? Perhaps for for similar reasons that America and other countries is berated so often and openly on certain topics? Are we now supposed to say and hear that people criticize American sometimes not because of what occurs but simply because America is inhabited by Americans? This is really silly. You are just setting up scarecrows.
Believe us, we know we have our own problems, but you foreigners are making a too much of a big deal about it are rubbing us all in a very bad way
You are essentially trivializing everything by lowering the discussion by donning the cloak of a victim and crying "discrimination". If you are engaging in something destructive then you should also completely accept that you are opening yourself to varying levels of derision. Some people are making a big deal about it because it is a big deal. I would argue that what Toronto did isn't enough and that this should have been dealt at a provincial level rather than at a municipal level.
This isn't to say that Canada currently engages in various things that should be criticized a great deal, but this is about a municipal issue which in the big picture is INCREDIBLY small.
On October 27 2011 11:54 theBALLS wrote: Chill blasterion! There there.
I'm Chinese by race, not by nationality. There are many, many things that we deserved to be mocked about. The worst thing to do now is to take things personally.
There are 2 main reasons why sharks fin is banned there:
1) Unsustainability 2) Ethical reasons.
Goody good good! This is very, very similar to the whaling problem in Japan.
However, at the same time, 99% of this dish is consumed by us Chinese. That's where the factor of tolerance comes in.
There may be certain issues that one may deem unacceptable from another culture, but sometimes, we have to shut up and turn a blind eye. Whether this is one of the instances or not, I'm not arguing.
So let's not be a bunch of chinese schizos aight my man? When I get mocked gook, ching chong, whatever, I laugh it off; it's pretty funny. The world can't be taken too seriously!
TL;DR: I FUCKING LOVE SHARKS FIN. However, I know that it's bad for the environment, so herp derp okay yada yada take it away from me, I know it's for the greater good. BUT, sharks fin may mean A LOT more to other people, especially the traditional Chinese folk (my first language is English). Give and take, take a punch, bite your lip; sometimes governments have to practice more tact.
Exactly! The nerve of these foreigners! fine you can ban one of the food I love, but witch hunting us for liking it? They are taking it way too far
Brother, I don't think they are witch hunting us for liking it man! Sure, the ban may be a little tactless to us, but I think they have ultimately have good reason for the sake of the sharks.
Why so serious? Don't worry about it. I think TL is a reasonably equivocal society.
For the sake of sharks so our children can have them =D
On October 27 2011 11:54 koreasilver wrote: Is it really that difficult to maybe accept that China really does have a slew of problems? Perhaps for for similar reasons that America and other countries is berated so often and openly on certain topics? Are we now supposed to say and hear that people criticize American sometimes not because of what occurs but simply because America is inhabited by Americans? This is really silly. You are just setting up scarecrows.
Believe us, we know we have our own problems, but you foreigners are making a too much of a big deal about it are rubbing us all in a very bad way
You are essentially trivializing everything by lowering the discussion by donning the cloak of a victim and crying "discrimination". If you are engaging in something destructive then you should also completely accept that you are opening yourself to varying levels of derision. Some people are making a big deal about it because it is a big deal. I would argue that what Toronto did isn't enough and that this should have been dealt at a provincial level rather than at a municipal level.
This isn't to say that Canada currently engages in various things that should be criticized a great deal, but this is about a municipal issue which in the big picture is INCREDIBLY small.
I wasn't speaking about this issue alone, it's just a notice-able trend on TL that most europeans/americans just really out right hate us
On October 27 2011 11:54 theBALLS wrote: Chill blasterion! There there.
I'm Chinese by race, not by nationality. There are many, many things that we deserved to be mocked about. The worst thing to do now is to take things personally.
There are 2 main reasons why sharks fin is banned there:
1) Unsustainability 2) Ethical reasons.
Goody good good! This is very, very similar to the whaling problem in Japan.
However, at the same time, 99% of this dish is consumed by us Chinese. That's where the factor of tolerance comes in.
There may be certain issues that one may deem unacceptable from another culture, but sometimes, we have to shut up and turn a blind eye. Whether this is one of the instances or not, I'm not arguing.
So let's not be a bunch of chinese schizos aight my man? When I get mocked gook, ching chong, whatever, I laugh it off; it's pretty funny. The world can't be taken too seriously!
TL;DR: I FUCKING LOVE SHARKS FIN. However, I know that it's bad for the environment, so herp derp okay yada yada take it away from me, I know it's for the greater good. BUT, sharks fin may mean A LOT more to other people, especially the traditional Chinese folk (my first language is English). Give and take, take a punch, bite your lip; sometimes governments have to practice more tact.
Exactly! The nerve of these foreigners! fine you can ban one of the food I love, but witch hunting us for liking it? They are taking it way too far
Are you serious? It is as if you are covering your eyes and ears and saying, "lalalalala," like a child. You're missing the entire goddamned point.
On October 27 2011 11:54 theBALLS wrote: Chill blasterion! There there.
I'm Chinese by race, not by nationality. There are many, many things that we deserved to be mocked about. The worst thing to do now is to take things personally.
There are 2 main reasons why sharks fin is banned there:
1) Unsustainability 2) Ethical reasons.
Goody good good! This is very, very similar to the whaling problem in Japan.
However, at the same time, 99% of this dish is consumed by us Chinese. That's where the factor of tolerance comes in.
There may be certain issues that one may deem unacceptable from another culture, but sometimes, we have to shut up and turn a blind eye. Whether this is one of the instances or not, I'm not arguing.
So let's not be a bunch of chinese schizos aight my man? When I get mocked gook, ching chong, whatever, I laugh it off; it's pretty funny. The world can't be taken too seriously!
TL;DR: I FUCKING LOVE SHARKS FIN. However, I know that it's bad for the environment, so herp derp okay yada yada take it away from me, I know it's for the greater good. BUT, sharks fin may mean A LOT more to other people, especially the traditional Chinese folk (my first language is English). Give and take, take a punch, bite your lip; sometimes governments have to practice more tact.
Exactly! The nerve of these foreigners! fine you can ban one of the food I love, but witch hunting us for liking it? They are taking it way too far
Are you serious? It is as if you are covering your eyes and ears and saying, "lalalalala," like a child. You're missing the entire goddamned point.
I wasn't even responding to you, why are you so persistent in trying to get something out of this
On October 26 2011 18:41 T.O.P. wrote: It's an example of the majority infringing on the rights of the minority. The law unfairly targets people of Chinese descent by banning one of their cultural traditions.
No, this is banning of a cruel over-fishing of sharks. What the fisherman are doing is akin to what poachers do to elephants in Africa, killing the elephant just for the ivory tusks, except worse because they throw the shark back into the water to die a slow painful death without the ability to swim. It's cruel and it's wasteful. Also, many species of sharks are on the endangered species list.
If you kill an animal i believe it should be done in a humane way. Not finning the shark and throwing it back into the water. You kill the shark you take the whole thing, use the other meat to feed people too. Finning sharks is a HUGE problem on Australia's Northern Approach border. I remember seeing on 4 corners(a news show) footage of hundreds of sharks in a single day being finned and thrown back into the water, actually in Australian waters. If it's such a huge Chinese cultural thing then they can source it from wherever it's legal. It's such a high price because it's hard to get, which also makes it attractive to small boats and fishers to try and pull off a dangerous opperation. As long as it's done humanely and legally then i don't have a problem.
There are many more issues like this as well. The rhino horn; rhino's being killed just for their horn to feed the asian black market and natural chinese medicines. Tigers penis; Tigers being killed just for their genitals for asian medicines (which don't work/placebo effect). Obviously these are just examples. I don't mean to single out asian countries but they are just the examples i know of. All in all I don't believe in a lot of the asian medicines. The healing properties of a lot of natural eastern remedies have since been proven to be bollocks.
On October 27 2011 11:54 theBALLS wrote: Chill blasterion! There there.
I'm Chinese by race, not by nationality. There are many, many things that we deserved to be mocked about. The worst thing to do now is to take things personally.
There are 2 main reasons why sharks fin is banned there:
1) Unsustainability 2) Ethical reasons.
Goody good good! This is very, very similar to the whaling problem in Japan.
However, at the same time, 99% of this dish is consumed by us Chinese. That's where the factor of tolerance comes in.
There may be certain issues that one may deem unacceptable from another culture, but sometimes, we have to shut up and turn a blind eye. Whether this is one of the instances or not, I'm not arguing.
So let's not be a bunch of chinese schizos aight my man? When I get mocked gook, ching chong, whatever, I laugh it off; it's pretty funny. The world can't be taken too seriously!
TL;DR: I FUCKING LOVE SHARKS FIN. However, I know that it's bad for the environment, so herp derp okay yada yada take it away from me, I know it's for the greater good. BUT, sharks fin may mean A LOT more to other people, especially the traditional Chinese folk (my first language is English). Give and take, take a punch, bite your lip; sometimes governments have to practice more tact.
Exactly! The nerve of these foreigners! fine you can ban one of the food I love, but witch hunting us for liking it? They are taking it way too far
Are you serious? It is as if you are covering your eyes and ears and saying, "lalalalala," like a child. You're missing the entire goddamned point.
I wasn't even responding to you, why are you so persistent in trying to get something out of this
Because you are completely trivializing anything anyone could ever say about any issue under any context under any medium. We might as well all just carry around a hat labeled "VICTIM" so whenever anyone criticizes us for anything we can just put it on our hats and say that they are being intolerant to our sex/age/ethnicity/religion/politics/aesthetics/sexuality, because fuckit, right?
Maybe you should just accept that many things chinese are retarded, such as shark fin soup as a status symbol, instead of thinking everyone is trying to attack you just because you are chinese.
Has anyone ever tried artificial shark fin? I've tasted neither the real one nor the artificial one. I would rather not spend a fortune and I wouldn't want an entire shark to get speared for my curiosity. But I really want to try it, especially since I'm of Chinese descent.
On October 27 2011 12:17 Zidane wrote: Maybe you should just accept that many things chinese are retarded, such as shark fin soup as a status symbol, instead of thinking everyone is trying to attack you just because you are chinese.
Because talking shit about the errors of other cultures is all that you foreigners are capable of
On October 27 2011 11:54 koreasilver wrote: Is it really that difficult to maybe accept that China really does have a slew of problems? Perhaps for for similar reasons that America and other countries is berated so often and openly on certain topics? Are we now supposed to say and hear that people criticize American sometimes not because of what occurs but simply because America is inhabited by Americans? This is really silly. You are just setting up scarecrows.
Believe us, we know we have our own problems, but you foreigners are making a too much of a big deal about it are rubbing us all in a very bad way
You are essentially trivializing everything by lowering the discussion by donning the cloak of a victim and crying "discrimination". If you are engaging in something destructive then you should also completely accept that you are opening yourself to varying levels of derision. Some people are making a big deal about it because it is a big deal. I would argue that what Toronto did isn't enough and that this should have been dealt at a provincial level rather than at a municipal level.
This isn't to say that Canada currently engages in various things that should be criticized a great deal, but this is about a municipal issue which in the big picture is INCREDIBLY small.
I wasn't speaking about this issue alone, it's just a notice-able trend on TL that most europeans/americans just really out right hate us
Exactly.... they're all GOYS... but if they're going to get rid of culture, why haven't they gotten rid of ceremonial blades and turbans? them gwai lo...
On October 27 2011 12:17 bearbuddy wrote: Has anyone ever tried artificial shark fin? I've tasted neither the real one nor the artificial one. I would rather not spend a fortune and I wouldn't want an entire shark to get speared for my curiosity. But I really want to try it, especially since I'm of Chinese descent.
Doesn't compare, buddy :D
Fish maw is often used in place of the real thing. I can definitely tell the difference.
White people, let me tell you; Sharks fin soup is DELICIOUS.
On October 27 2011 12:17 Zidane wrote: Maybe you should just accept that many things chinese are retarded, such as shark fin soup as a status symbol, instead of thinking everyone is trying to attack you just because you are chinese.
Because talking shit about the errors of other cultures is all that you foreigners are capable of
On October 27 2011 11:54 koreasilver wrote: Is it really that difficult to maybe accept that China really does have a slew of problems? Perhaps for for similar reasons that America and other countries is berated so often and openly on certain topics? Are we now supposed to say and hear that people criticize American sometimes not because of what occurs but simply because America is inhabited by Americans? This is really silly. You are just setting up scarecrows.
Believe us, we know we have our own problems, but you foreigners are making a too much of a big deal about it are rubbing us all in a very bad way
You are essentially trivializing everything by lowering the discussion by donning the cloak of a victim and crying "discrimination". If you are engaging in something destructive then you should also completely accept that you are opening yourself to varying levels of derision. Some people are making a big deal about it because it is a big deal. I would argue that what Toronto did isn't enough and that this should have been dealt at a provincial level rather than at a municipal level.
This isn't to say that Canada currently engages in various things that should be criticized a great deal, but this is about a municipal issue which in the big picture is INCREDIBLY small.
I wasn't speaking about this issue alone, it's just a notice-able trend on TL that most europeans/americans just really out right hate us
Exactly.... they're all GOYS... but if they're going to get rid of culture, why haven't they gotten rid of ceremonial blades and turbans? them gwai lo...
They aren't getting rid of culture, they are getting rid of cruel, inhumane and unsustainable culling of animals which damages the ecosystem.
On October 26 2011 18:41 T.O.P. wrote: It's an example of the majority infringing on the rights of the minority. The law unfairly targets people of Chinese descent by banning one of their cultural traditions.
An interesting opinion, however i have seen how they take fins from sharks and cruelly throw them back in the water without any means of survival. Perhaps some traditions are not worth the pain and suffering that they cause in turn.
On October 27 2011 12:17 bearbuddy wrote: Has anyone ever tried artificial shark fin? I've tasted neither the real one nor the artificial one. I would rather not spend a fortune and I wouldn't want an entire shark to get speared for my curiosity. But I really want to try it, especially since I'm of Chinese descent.
Doesn't compare, buddy :D
Fish maw is often used in place of the real thing. I can definitely tell the difference.
White people, let me tell you; Sharks fin soup is DELICIOUS.
On October 27 2011 12:17 bearbuddy wrote: Has anyone ever tried artificial shark fin? I've tasted neither the real one nor the artificial one. I would rather not spend a fortune and I wouldn't want an entire shark to get speared for my curiosity. But I really want to try it, especially since I'm of Chinese descent.
I'm not exactly a gourmand, but IMO they taste pretty much the same (shark fin does not have a discernible taste b/c its' really easily overpowered by other ingredients). There are maybe some small texture differences that's all.
Chinese shark fin soup should just all use artificial shark fins. I'm sure the majority of people won't be able to tell the difference. Chinese people just eat shark fin as a status symbol, kind of like how some people wear furs of rare exotic animals.
EPT
Don't worry about it. I think TL is a reasonably equivocal society.
