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On October 27 2011 10:17 Eps wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 09:53 sevencck wrote:On October 27 2011 09:42 Eps wrote:On October 27 2011 09:01 sevencck wrote:On October 26 2011 20:57 T.O.P. wrote:On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:But Chinese will defend anything China even if they actually disagree, apparently. Don't give me this fake loyalty. The more I learn about China, the less I respect it. Once again, an example of ignorance. Good Cantonese soup cost a lot of money to make. Even the soup my dad makes regularly costs $50-100 a pot. Also, your comment makes no sense. He said no soup is worth more than 5 dollar. You call that ignorance. It's his fucking opinion. Your argument just proves his point. You are both wrong and ignorant as well as unable to understand the reasoning of others or express your own opinion using reasoning. He's ignorant because he has never even tasted the soup before. Opinions can be ignorant. On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:
Knowing the prize would spoil the taste when eating it. Especially when you realize the context is in a third world country. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:
I hear the noises of Han Chinese bring good luck as a good luck charm. And the good news is, there's a Han Chinese for every one of us. Let's harvest them as a Chinese doesn't really need a nose. Immoral? Nooo, don't infringe on culture. If that's your culture, then cool. Hunting Han chinese seems much more dangerous than hunting sharks though. Since we're freely expressing our opinions on the subject, I think China is a backwards ass country trying to hang on to too much archaic tradition while attempting to modernize its economy within a political framework that doesn't work. There's a huge social revolution coming in that country, and I can't wait for it to happen. Too many human beings are being abused and exploited, and they need to do something about it. While I'd love to write out a multi paged critique of the current Chinese government, I'll keep this about shark fin soup in Canada. Frankly, if you're calling people ignorant for not having tried the soup or knowing about it, then you're missing the point. This thread isn't about culinary criticism or how much a dish costs, it's about Canada (finally) being willing to critique another culture and decide what we want in our country and what we do not. Shark fin soup should be banned outright in Canada (and any other civilized country for that matter). Period. This isn't a new issue. I'm amazed by how much mileage Gordan Ramsey's documentary has given it, but people have been talking about this for 20+ years. The harvesting methods employed to support the demand for what amounts to little more than a status symbol are barbaric and unsustainable. When you say things like we're ignorant for stepping on Chinese cultural traditions, it really shows me where you're at. China consumes a number of different items from endangered species as aphrodisiacs and status symbols. Guess what? A culture that values status and stupidity above responsible and sustainable environmental policy should be critiqued and told no. This is Canada, we're allowed to form policy around what we feel is most inclusive, not what ignorant and environmentally unaware Chinese people on the other side of the globe have done for the past 2000 years and want to continue for no other reason than tradition. When you have a billion people in your country who want to consume tiger penis or rhinoceros horn because they stupidly believe it to be an aphrodisiac while the environment suffers then its time to sober up. You said in a previous post that Chinese think westerners are ignorant. That's nice, except that Canada has a very good human rights record, is one of the world leaders in alternative energy research, and over the past several hundred years has forged a very nice stable inclusive society that people want to live in. When Chinese people (who live in a country with a very poor human rights record, a country that cuts corners to produce unsafe and hazardous products, a country with little to no long term plans for sustainable or green energy, a country that only 25 years ago ran over protesting students with tanks, and a country that would rather keep their embarrassing screw ups secret rather than fixing the underlying problem) tell us we're ignorant for being critical of a negative environmentally irresponsible aspect of their culture -- even after how committed we've shown ourselves to be about respecting other cultures, we can rightfully ignore and laugh at them. I support the ban 100%, I wish our country as a whole would ban it, I hope other countries follow suit, and if certain Chinese people don't understand why it's important that certain nations show leadership and take a stance on this important issue, then we don't need them in our country. Posts like these make me ashamed of Canadians like you. The racism runs high in any thread that has to do with China. It's especially sad to see how xenophobic people can get, and generalize stereotypes to an entire culture of people. Considering the current nation was built by Immigrants, one would think that people would be more accepting. I like how you talk of Canadians and put them on a moral highground. What right do we have to point fingers at other cultures and act as we've done no wrong? On October 27 2011 09:01 sevencck wrote:
You said in a previous post that Chinese think westerners are ignorant. That's nice, except that Canada has a very good human rights record, is one of the world leaders in alternative energy Really? Like Chinese Head Taxes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_(Canada). Anti-Asian labour laws, the White Woman's labour law. http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/yee_clun.htmlJapanese Canadian Internment Camps. "Residential" Schools where it was essentially forced assimilation/conversion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_systemThis is just a few that pop up in mind. If I actually researched, I'm sure I can find much more. As much as it pains me to discuss the unsavory actions of Canada, the xenophobic hate that some Canadians show is a disgrace to the country. Unless you were of native descent, we're all children of Immigrants in Canada. What it comes down to is that no country has the right to point fingers and look down their nose on the action of others. Frankly, I think you're being a little heavy handed in evaluating me as a racist. There's a difference between racism and cultural critique. I'm very critical of certain aspects of Chinese culture, and I feel I have every right to be, particularly in defense of being summed up as an ignorant westerner for holding the view that I do. That doesn't mean I'm racist or xenophobic. It might interest you to know that my father is an immigrant to Canada. You're ashamed of me for saying that we don't need people in our country who value status symbols above environmentally sustainable practices? Well I'm sorry but I stand by that statement. It wasn't made based on racial considerations, I would apply it equally to any culture. Yes, I said Chinese people, because the issue of shark fin soup applies almost exclusively to Chinese people. I didn't say Canada had a perfect human rights record, I said they had a very good one, and I think that's fair. And I disagree strongly with your last statement. I think we can and should be willing to judge the actions of others. We already do so in so many ways, yet we're afraid to across cultural lines? I don't think we should be in instances where there is so much at stake. Racism, cultural critique, ethnocentricism. To me it's all the same and inherently related. You say it is exclusive to Chinese people, I'd argue that it shouldn't be generalized to the entire culture. I'll leave that aside though. But that point just goes to show that the actions of the state here is singling out a particular culture. Yet we do not have Fois Gras banned in Canada. Does anyone actually think we treat Chicken or any live stock well? Veal anyone? We can't critique some while ignoring others. I also forgot, about the environment. Alberta Oil Sands > Environment. I'd say we're putting other needs above our Environment. http://one-blue-marble.com/alberta-tar-sands2.htmlhttp://one-blue-marble.com/images/photos/tailing-pond-alberta.jpg
I'm glad you brought up the oil sands. We have been called out recently by environmental groups in both the United States and Europe for the oil sands projects. While many people (including one of our leaders, sigh), have made it their official policy to thumb their nose at those being critical of us, I can respect what they're saying as important. Fundamentally, however, there is one very important difference. The world needs oil. Period. I might do a post doc in alternative energy, so it's not like I'm not interested in the subject, but for the moment we need oil. So the issue at hand is balancing the (valid) critique we get from other nations, with the sobering necessity for oil.
With respect to the shark fin issue, people don't actually need to eat shark fin soup. Their continued refusal to accept any criticism of their culture with such an environmental concern at stake is ignorant, self centered, self important, and blind.
Honestly, I'd be OK with a Fois Gras ban. Is it the same thing though? No, one would never be able to reasonably argue that it was, since although animal cruelty occurs in both cases, in one instance there is potential to permanently damage the ecosystem, and in the other there is not.
And if you think racism, cultural critique, and ethnocentrism are on an even keel, you need to think about it some more. Racism is blind prejudice, motivated by fear, ignorance and hate. It seeks to exclude. Cultural critique isn't necessarily blind, prejudiced, or motivated by fear or hate. In fact, meaningful critique is based on knowledge and understanding rather than ignorance. It seeks to include. In this case, we are seeking a policy that is most inclusive for the environment, the ecosystem, and all life on the planet. It is more inclusive to critique Chinese culture with that goal in mind, than it is to allow it for the sake of tradition and allow the rest of the planet to suffer. I'll also remind you that ethnocentrism can lead to racism or cultural critique, but please explain why my position has anything to do with being ethnocentric. As someone else pointed out, you're being overly relativistic.
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On October 27 2011 10:24 InvalidID wrote:How do you cost that in any reasonable way? Biologists have correlated removal of sharks from habitat with total ecosystem collapse. You have to cost in very long term effects, and the risks are extreme. A fair tax for the externalities would be prohibitive to the extent that it wouldn't be much better or different then a total prohibition.
It would make the cost of shark fin rather high, but because shark fin is often a Veblen good for the cultures that consume it, there would likely still be a viable industry (if much less profitable and more sustainable).
Additionally, if the cost becomes high enough, then the industry may be incentivized to innovate some way to effectively farm sharks.
Not to mention that the significant taxes could be specifically dedicated to mitigating oceanic ecological damage.
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On October 27 2011 10:16 Eurekastreet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 09:42 Eps wrote:On October 27 2011 09:01 sevencck wrote:On October 26 2011 20:57 T.O.P. wrote:On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:But Chinese will defend anything China even if they actually disagree, apparently. Don't give me this fake loyalty. The more I learn about China, the less I respect it. Once again, an example of ignorance. Good Cantonese soup cost a lot of money to make. Even the soup my dad makes regularly costs $50-100 a pot. Also, your comment makes no sense. He said no soup is worth more than 5 dollar. You call that ignorance. It's his fucking opinion. Your argument just proves his point. You are both wrong and ignorant as well as unable to understand the reasoning of others or express your own opinion using reasoning. He's ignorant because he has never even tasted the soup before. Opinions can be ignorant. On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:
Knowing the prize would spoil the taste when eating it. Especially when you realize the context is in a third world country. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. On October 26 2011 20:37 Suisen wrote:
I hear the noises of Han Chinese bring good luck as a good luck charm. And the good news is, there's a Han Chinese for every one of us. Let's harvest them as a Chinese doesn't really need a nose. Immoral? Nooo, don't infringe on culture. If that's your culture, then cool. Hunting Han chinese seems much more dangerous than hunting sharks though. Since we're freely expressing our opinions on the subject, I think China is a backwards ass country trying to hang on to too much archaic tradition while attempting to modernize its economy within a political framework that doesn't work. There's a huge social revolution coming in that country, and I can't wait for it to happen. Too many human beings are being abused and exploited, and they need to do something about it. While I'd love to write out a multi paged critique of the current Chinese government, I'll keep this about shark fin soup in Canada. Frankly, if you're calling people ignorant for not having tried the soup or knowing about it, then you're missing the point. This thread isn't about culinary criticism or how much a dish costs, it's about Canada (finally) being willing to critique another culture and decide what we want in our country and what we do not. Shark fin soup should be banned outright in Canada (and any other civilized country for that matter). Period. This isn't a new issue. I'm amazed by how much mileage Gordan Ramsey's documentary has given it, but people have been talking about this for 20+ years. The harvesting methods employed to support the demand for what amounts to little more than a status symbol are barbaric and unsustainable. When you say things like we're ignorant for stepping on Chinese cultural traditions, it really shows me where you're at. China consumes a number of different items from endangered species as aphrodisiacs and status symbols. Guess what? A culture that values status and stupidity above responsible and sustainable environmental policy should be critiqued and told no. This is Canada, we're allowed to form policy around what we feel is most inclusive, not what ignorant and environmentally unaware Chinese people on the other side of the globe have done for the past 2000 years and want to continue for no other reason than tradition. When you have a billion people in your country who want to consume tiger penis or rhinoceros horn because they stupidly believe it to be an aphrodisiac while the environment suffers then its time to sober up. You said in a previous post that Chinese think westerners are ignorant. That's nice, except that Canada has a very good human rights record, is one of the world leaders in alternative energy research, and over the past several hundred years has forged a very nice stable inclusive society that people want to live in. When Chinese people (who live in a country with a very poor human rights record, a country that cuts corners to produce unsafe and hazardous products, a country with little to no long term plans for sustainable or green energy, a country that only 25 years ago ran over protesting students with tanks, and a country that would rather keep their embarrassing screw ups secret rather than fixing the underlying problem) tell us we're ignorant for being critical of a negative environmentally irresponsible aspect of their culture -- even after how committed we've shown ourselves to be about respecting other cultures, we can rightfully ignore and laugh at them. I support the ban 100%, I wish our country as a whole would ban it, I hope other countries follow suit, and if certain Chinese people don't understand why it's important that certain nations show leadership and take a stance on this important issue, then we don't need them in our country. Posts like these make me ashamed of Canadians like you. The racism runs high in any thread that has to do with China. It's especially sad to see how xenophobic people can get, and generalize stereotypes to an entire culture of people. Considering the current nation was built by Immigrants, one would think that people would be more accepting. I like how you talk of Canadians and put them on a moral highground. What right do we have to point fingers at other cultures and act as we've done no wrong? On October 27 2011 09:01 sevencck wrote:
You said in a previous post that Chinese think westerners are ignorant. That's nice, except that Canada has a very good human rights record, is one of the world leaders in alternative energy Really? Like Chinese Head Taxes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_(Canada). Anti-Asian labour laws, the White Woman's labour law. http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/yee_clun.htmlJapanese Canadian Internment Camps. "Residential" Schools where it was essentially forced assimilation/conversion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_systemThis is just a few that pop up in mind. If I actually researched, I'm sure I can find much more. As much as it pains me to discuss the unsavory actions of Canada, the xenophobic hate that some Canadians show is a disgrace to the country. Unless you were of native descent, we're all children of Immigrants in Canada. What it comes down to is that no country has the right to point fingers and look down their nose on the action of others. I'm no canadian but you're my hero, thanks for putting this down in terms I could not keep as mild as yours (and therefore never clicked on the "post" button), and glad to see another side of canada here, coz the poster above, jeeeeeeeeez...
PM me if you like.
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That this is an issue of ethics, hunting control laws should have been more strictly implemented, and the sale of shark fin should be allowed at a higher price.
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On October 27 2011 10:00 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 09:58 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:51 FishForThought wrote:
sharks' own instinct is causing their own extinction. The mother eat their young after giving birth, and the sharks in the mother's womb eat their siblings.
Not to mention shark fin isn't even part of chinese's regular diet. The price of sharkfins only allows consumption at special events or celebrations like a wedding. So, I would really like to see what evidence they have that shows human's fishing is causing sharks' extinction.
On another note, i would also love to see them compensate the Chinese restaurant owners by allowing consumption of dogs. Dogs are far from extinction, I don't see why they wouldn't let dogs be consumed. Oh glad at least one of us majors in biology. Lets eat man's best friend while were at it. You're first argument is completely retarded. It is their habitat and that has nothing to do with extinct or anything. It doesn't matter if it's part of their "regular diet" BRB gonna go eat some endangered animal once a year.. its only one animal right? and then let the whole population of a country do the same. 1,331,460,000 for china. What's wrong with eating dogs? there's a ton of them. What's wrong with eating humans? there's a ton of them and then some. Doesn't make it right. Because we as humans don't want to be eaten?
Lol??? you think any animal wants to die a painful/instant death and be eaten? If there is nothing wrong with eating animal, then just because we are intellectually on top of the food chain doesn't exclude us from the list, only thing keeping it from happening in modern society's is the taboo. Don't ever go into the wrong part of the amazon or some other country and you won't have a problem though.
We are animals after all.
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After watching a documentary Gordon Ramsay made about the issue I'm all for the ban.
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I expect the ban to have an opposite effect, and the sale of shark fin will go underground and only grow in price, resulting in MORE sharks being hunted.
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Chinese person here, fake shark fin tastes better than real shark fin anyway. Don't really get why anyone would eat the real stuff when the 'artificial' version of it is available en masse and doesn't involve needlessly killing living animals.
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On October 27 2011 10:48 below66 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:00 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:58 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:51 FishForThought wrote:
sharks' own instinct is causing their own extinction. The mother eat their young after giving birth, and the sharks in the mother's womb eat their siblings.
Not to mention shark fin isn't even part of chinese's regular diet. The price of sharkfins only allows consumption at special events or celebrations like a wedding. So, I would really like to see what evidence they have that shows human's fishing is causing sharks' extinction.
On another note, i would also love to see them compensate the Chinese restaurant owners by allowing consumption of dogs. Dogs are far from extinction, I don't see why they wouldn't let dogs be consumed. Oh glad at least one of us majors in biology. Lets eat man's best friend while were at it. You're first argument is completely retarded. It is their habitat and that has nothing to do with extinct or anything. It doesn't matter if it's part of their "regular diet" BRB gonna go eat some endangered animal once a year.. its only one animal right? and then let the whole population of a country do the same. 1,331,460,000 for china. What's wrong with eating dogs? there's a ton of them. What's wrong with eating humans? there's a ton of them and then some. Doesn't make it right. Because we as humans don't want to be eaten? Lol??? you think any animal wants to die a painful/instant death and be eaten? If there is nothing wrong with eating animal, then just because we are intellectually on top of the food chain doesn't exclude us from the list, only thing keeping it from happening in modern society's is the taboo. Don't ever go into the wrong part of the amazon or some other country and you won't have a problem though. We are animals after all.
I already answered this. Animals don't want to be eaten but they're not in the position of power to prevent this from happening.
We are in the position of power to mutually agree that not being hunted for food by each other is part of our rights as humans to live, and it's in everyone's mutual effort not view each other as a source of food.
I agree we are animals, but we are animals who have an incredibly selection of food to chose from we don't need to turn to cannibalism, but if someone wanted to why shoulnd't they be able to turn to eating dogs?
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Why you white people meddle in our lives?
:D J/k. It's been an age old tradition for us to have sharks fin soup served at weddings and stuff.
If ya gonna ban our sharks fin, ya gotta ban foie gras and shit like that too yo.
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On October 27 2011 10:57 SteemdRIce wrote:
Chinese person here, fake shark fin tastes better than real shark fin anyway. Don't really get why anyone would eat the real stuff when the 'artificial' version of it is available en masse and doesn't involve needlessly killing living animals.
It's the authenticity people pay for. I'm positive this is an issue of lack of knowledge. If people were educated about the mass decline in shark populations it's not a far cry to say many would turn to artificial alternatives. The extinction of the oceans apex predators will affect every human on a global scale. The effects are scientifically proven, people just need to be informed. I think Chinese celebrities and status symbols ought to speak out, similarly to how Jacky Chan made a PSA on the harvesting of bear bile. Knowledge is power, people will listen.
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just have the same soup but replace the shark fin with alternatives
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It isn't about racism.
It isn't about tradition.
It is that sharks are an apex predator, hunting them to extinction will have sever and widespread impacts on the ecosystem.
I don't care if you want to wear the shark's fin as a hat, eat it in a soup, put it in a blender and make a milkshake out of it or cut a hole in it to have sex with... none of that matters, what matters is ensuring that a creature this important in the environment doesn't become extinct.
The sharks need protection and stopping the sales of shark products lessens the killing of sharks. It probably won't completely eliminate it but if it reduces any amount of killing of sharks then something positive has come from it.
On October 27 2011 11:02 theBALLS wrote:
If ya gonna ban our sharks fin, ya gotta ban foie gras and shit like that too yo.
Foie gras doesn't come from an animal that is being hunted to near extinction, have at it... just leave the shark fins alone.
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On October 27 2011 11:02 theBALLS wrote:
Why you white people meddle in our lives?
:D J/k. It's been an age old tradition for us to have sharks fin soup served at weddings and stuff.
If ya gonna ban our sharks fin, ya gotta ban foie gras and shit like that too yo.
But seriously why does the white men must butt into our business all the time, Teamliquid especially LOVE some china bashing it has become a highly notable trend,
Whatever happens it's the Chinese fault
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On October 27 2011 10:59 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:48 below66 wrote:On October 27 2011 10:00 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:58 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 Kiarip wrote:On October 27 2011 09:56 NuKedUFirst wrote:On October 27 2011 09:51 FishForThought wrote:
sharks' own instinct is causing their own extinction. The mother eat their young after giving birth, and the sharks in the mother's womb eat their siblings.
Not to mention shark fin isn't even part of chinese's regular diet. The price of sharkfins only allows consumption at special events or celebrations like a wedding. So, I would really like to see what evidence they have that shows human's fishing is causing sharks' extinction.
On another note, i would also love to see them compensate the Chinese restaurant owners by allowing consumption of dogs. Dogs are far from extinction, I don't see why they wouldn't let dogs be consumed. Oh glad at least one of us majors in biology. Lets eat man's best friend while were at it. You're first argument is completely retarded. It is their habitat and that has nothing to do with extinct or anything. It doesn't matter if it's part of their "regular diet" BRB gonna go eat some endangered animal once a year.. its only one animal right? and then let the whole population of a country do the same. 1,331,460,000 for china. What's wrong with eating dogs? there's a ton of them. What's wrong with eating humans? there's a ton of them and then some. Doesn't make it right. Because we as humans don't want to be eaten? Lol??? you think any animal wants to die a painful/instant death and be eaten? If there is nothing wrong with eating animal, then just because we are intellectually on top of the food chain doesn't exclude us from the list, only thing keeping it from happening in modern society's is the taboo. Don't ever go into the wrong part of the amazon or some other country and you won't have a problem though. We are animals after all. I already answered this. Animals don't want to be eaten but they're not in the position of power to prevent this from happening. We are in the position of power to mutually agree that not being hunted for food by each other is part of our rights as humans to live, and it's in everyone's mutual effort not view each other as a source of food. I agree we are animals, but we are animals who have an incredibly selection of food to chose from we don't need to turn to cannibalism, but if someone wanted to why shoulnd't they be able to turn to eating dogs?
With great power comes great responsibility. If you were kidnapped in another country, why shouldn't they be able to eat you? It's part of there culture and their favorite food of choice is you.
Our great food selection and power/thoughts of taboo have all combined to almost completely eradicate it. But it's not to say they shouldn't be able eat you if everything else is game in the animal world.
I have no problem with dogs being eaten in other cultures BTW. In the same way I have no problem with certain Chinese/Brazilian/tribes people eaten human beings.
Survival of the fittest dog eat dog world.
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On October 27 2011 00:55 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +
Again you're drawing this context regarding animals to humans. Stop doing that. Also the world is run mostly off economics, and we are already segregating and making it difficult for people with disabilities and what not to adapt to their situation. Why do you think it is usually the sick,elderly and unfortunate who fall into the bottom bracket of society and struggle to make ends meet? We don't euthanise everyone of those categories, because we are directly empathetic to their situations and do not wish the on us because we're all humans. Second, wars have been fought over the biggest eugenics program in history (Holocaust) and the Germans lost. That is why we don't do it. If society shifts towards a position where that becomes necessary, you bet it'll happen.
Why should I or anyone else in this thread stop using humans for comparison? Are you in denial of the FACT that humans are animals just as sharks are? And I don't really understand the rest of your post, you say that the world is mostly run off economics, and because of that people with disability are left behind. So... we shouldn't run the world off economics? I feel like you are unknowingly supporting what I said.
Because in this case, it's talking about the gathering process of food, unless you refer to killing of people as a method for obtaining food you can't correlate the two things with each other. I'm not saying we shouldn't run it off economics, that is your assumption.I'm saying this is how the world works at the moment. Deal with it
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On October 27 2011 11:13 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 11:02 theBALLS wrote:
Why you white people meddle in our lives?
:D J/k. It's been an age old tradition for us to have sharks fin soup served at weddings and stuff.
If ya gonna ban our sharks fin, ya gotta ban foie gras and shit like that too yo. But seriously why does the white men must butt into our business all the time, Teamliquid especially LOVE some china bashing it has become a highly notable trend, Whatever happens it's the Chinese fault
Maybe if you guys weren't the main reason why shark finning occurs in a completely unsustainable way, this all wouldn't be a problem. It is not as if Toronto went through with this ban just because shark fin was a Chinese dish. That the consumer is Chinese really is irrelevant.
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On October 27 2011 10:57 SteemdRIce wrote:
Chinese person here, fake shark fin tastes better than real shark fin anyway. Don't really get why anyone would eat the real stuff when the 'artificial' version of it is available en masse and doesn't involve needlessly killing living animals.
It's funny how me and a few real Chinese people make these posts, yet there still are those who like to think of everyone in China as *insert bland prejudice*.
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On October 27 2011 11:19 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 11:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 27 2011 11:02 theBALLS wrote:
Why you white people meddle in our lives?
:D J/k. It's been an age old tradition for us to have sharks fin soup served at weddings and stuff.
If ya gonna ban our sharks fin, ya gotta ban foie gras and shit like that too yo. But seriously why does the white men must butt into our business all the time, Teamliquid especially LOVE some china bashing it has become a highly notable trend, Whatever happens it's the Chinese fault Maybe if you guys weren't the main reason why shark finning occurs in a completely unsustainable way, this all wouldn't be a problem. It is not as if Toronto went through with this ban just because shark fin was a Chinese dish. That the consumer is Chinese really is irrelevant.
But you guy ALWAYS have a bone or two to pick about us, and plainly we're kind of sick of it
and we never disagreed on the ban, I just said I will miss the dish, hell I can't even do that? lol
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