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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 04:00 GMT
#721
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.
.


Cows, Pigs, Chickens, and other forms of major livestock owned by major companies are pretty much tortured throughout their whole lives. How can it still be legal when they are brutalized for many years and then finally killed and shipped to the nearest local market?

YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHY DON'T WE ALL BECOME ALL BLOODY VEGETARIANS?

"No, because nothing can replace the taste and texture of meat. Once you try bacon, you never go back."

See what's going on here?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 04:01:35
October 27 2011 04:01 GMT
#722
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.

From what you say you must not had it before, let me tell you, it really is something different, something you should have at least once just for the experience of it, Of course reining back consumption is a great idea to preserve supply and I wholeheartedly agree with you. But 1 shark won't extinct the specie, you should definitely have it at least once.
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IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
October 27 2011 04:01 GMT
#723
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.


He doesnt even read what you say. He is blindly and intentionally just sticking to his point without counter-argument for the sake of getting more posts and baiting people into making bannable posts back at him in frustration.
"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
Symbioth
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 04:03:10
October 27 2011 04:02 GMT
#724
People who are indifferent to animal cruelty are being brainwashed morons. It`s fucking ridicilous. To the degree this change helps diminishing/cessation of animal cruelty and unnecessary or terribly misplaced hunting, it should be supported.


On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.


Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
October 27 2011 04:04 GMT
#725
On October 27 2011 13:00 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.
.


Cows, Pigs, Chickens, and other forms of major livestock owned by major companies are pretty much tortured throughout their whole lives. How can it still be legal when they are brutalized for many years and then finally killed and shipped to the nearest local market?

YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHY DON'T WE ALL BECOME ALL BLOODY VEGETARIANS?

"No, because nothing can replace the taste and texture of meat. Once you try bacon, you never go back."

See what's going on here?

Cows, pigs and chickens are not endangered and rapidly vanishing as a race. There's a difference. Brutalizing them in the process of turning them into something edible is just one of the problems. And i'm pretty sure animals like chickens don't have their wings chopped off to be set out into the wild again. They are killed completely, even if it is in a terrible way.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 04:05 GMT
#726
On October 27 2011 13:01 IMSmooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.


He doesnt even read what you say. He is blindly and intentionally just sticking to his point without counter-argument for the sake of getting more posts and baiting people into making bannable posts back at him in frustration.

Dear sir, no need to be angry, if it was about that earlier post, I definitely apologize for letting the heat get to my head. But you really shouldn't deny something without having a taste of it first.
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sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
October 27 2011 04:06 GMT
#727
Accepting just for the moment, that shark fin soup is an integral part of Chinese culture, I feel that most Chinese people would be more open to the idea of banning shark fin if critics

1) Weren't so caught up with self-righteous indignation and
2) Showed much more care and sensitivity towards the fact that tradition and culture are important to some people, even if it ranks low on the priority list of critics.

I feel further that by failing to acknowledge that the problem is intrinsically connected to culture (and perhaps therefore to race), and by attempting to characterise the problem only as an environmental issue, the feeling of cultural oppression is only made worse.
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
October 27 2011 04:06 GMT
#728
On October 27 2011 13:01 IMSmooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.


He doesnt even read what you say. He is blindly and intentionally just sticking to his point without counter-argument for the sake of getting more posts and baiting people into making bannable posts back at him in frustration.

Yeah, I figured as much once I read the second response... I guess there's no winning over someone who won't reason, so no point in arguing with him/her.
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
October 27 2011 04:07 GMT
#729
To some the difference may be obvious but the fact of the matter is it is fucking hard to argue that saving a culture is more important that saving a species, and VICE VERSA. Loss of culture and loss of a species are lamentable, but ultimately they are based on sentiment, everyone's just sad that the species/culture is gone.

For a government the choice has to be a utilitarian one, the consequences of banning shark fishing or not. Banning may result in loss of the livlihood of fishers and restaurants, as well as anger from those who feel the chinese are marginalising a minority, may affect relations w china and other asian countries. Not banning it would make a majority of people angry, goverment may feel it has to appease the majority lest be voted out. From a ultilitarian standpoint, I think the goverment should not ban fishing.
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
October 27 2011 04:09 GMT
#730
On October 27 2011 13:07 taldarimAltar wrote:
To some the difference may be obvious but the fact of the matter is it is fucking hard to argue that saving a culture is more important that saving a species, and VICE VERSA. Loss of culture and loss of a species are lamentable, but ultimately they are based on sentiment, everyone's just sad that the species/culture is gone.

For a government the choice has to be a utilitarian one, the consequences of banning shark fishing or not. Banning may result in loss of the livlihood of fishers and restaurants, as well as anger from those who feel the chinese are marginalising a minority, may affect relations w china and other asian countries. Not banning it would make a majority of people angry, goverment may feel it has to appease the majority lest be voted out. From a ultilitarian standpoint, I think the goverment should not ban fishing.


hey, its the canadian government banning shark fin eating lol. trust me, it wont change anything. the people that wanna eat shark fins will just come to hong kong to eat it
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 04:10 GMT
#731
You see I have an idea that can make both parties happy, Levy a tax on Shark Fin soup, drive the price up, this way you are not banning it, the demand will drop as less people can afford it. We can still have our soup, keeps us happy, Decrease in demand means less sharks dying, and the Canadian Government makes out from all of this, perfect plan
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LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
October 27 2011 04:10 GMT
#732
Sigh, lets get this settled with.

Poll: Ban fishing of sharks?

Yea (13)
 
62%

Nay (8)
 
38%

Maybe/Undecided (0)
 
0%

21 total votes

Your vote: Ban fishing of sharks?

(Vote): Yea
(Vote): Nay
(Vote): Maybe/Undecided


IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
October 27 2011 04:10 GMT
#733
On October 27 2011 13:05 Blasterion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 13:01 IMSmooth wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.


He doesnt even read what you say. He is blindly and intentionally just sticking to his point without counter-argument for the sake of getting more posts and baiting people into making bannable posts back at him in frustration.

Dear sir, no need to be angry, if it was about that earlier post, I definitely apologize for letting the heat get to my head. But you really shouldn't deny something without having a taste of it first.


The problem isnt taste at all. I understand that kimchee to me tastes like poop but it is an integral part of korean culture and tastes amazing to them. However, they aren't endangering an entire species by driving the demand for it. No you cannot argue "just one more" shark wouldnt hurt. It WILL hurt because everyone else has that mindset.

I could care less about the humane/inhumane way they harvest. It is the fact that if sharks were to become extinct or critically endangered it would have DRASTIC effect on the most important ecosystem on the planet. They are that important.
"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
October 27 2011 04:11 GMT
#734
On October 27 2011 12:58 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:34 shawster wrote:
good, ban that shit.

the way that shark fins are harvested disgust me. i don't see a problem with them infringing upon the rights of the minority. culture isn't an excuse if it causes that much damage to ecosystems and shark populations. i would ban consumption of any meat or product that is harvested unjustly and harmfully.

it's fucking stupid that people are bringing race into discussion. this has nothing to do with race, retards. this ban is about stopping damage to shark populations and stopping unethical finning of sharks. i understand that it hurts some chinese culture but unfortunately i would say culture is less important than the issue at hand.

if eating a delicacy is more important to you than stopping poaching and dwindling shark populations then you're kind of selfish. cut off indulgence and do some good will ya?

the sad part about this discussion is that if i say i'm 100% chinese then i'll be taken more seriously.


what makes you think banning shark fin eating in toronto will stop shark pouching?

the way i see it, china, hong kong, singapore will NEVER ban shark fin soup. if the rest of the world bans it, then that just means there will be much more supply for shark fin soup for chinese people living in these chinese countries; the price of the soup wont go down as it will be balanced by the decreasing population of sharks and just by the vast amount of overseas people who will travel to these legal areas JUST to be able to eat shark fin soup.

imo, countries banning shark fin soup is just decreasing their GDP and making chinese countries richer


Just because another country is being environmentally irresponsible does not mean we have the right to be irresponsible too simply because "they're doing it so it doesn't matter if we do it too".

Every jurisdiction where the sale of shark fins or the prevention of shark finning occurs is a small victory in the grand scheme of things.
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 04:11 GMT
#735
On October 27 2011 13:10 IMSmooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 13:05 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 13:01 IMSmooth wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:58 Elite__ wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:54 Blasterion wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.

Are people really not willing to give up a tradition for what is potentially the survivability of an entire race of animals? I completely understand that people hold shark fin soup near and dear to their hearts since it is a tradition, but how can a tradition be more important than the sharks live's?

And what is even more mind boggling to me is that people are talking about how the soup tastes so good and nothing can replicate it. Why should the taste of it matter? You won't give something up for the greater good because it tastes good? I absolutely love peanuts but when I was young I developed an allergy to them and was not able to have them. I wouldn't risk my health simply because I still like peanuts. The same thing goes with shark fin soup being banned. It being banned is like having an allergy to it, you simply cannot have it or there will be severe consequences. If I knew I was saving a whole race of animals by simply not eating something that tasted good, then so be it. Its a small price to pay, even if I don't see the rewards first hand.

I am just gonna suggest, you to taste it first, It really is pretty amazing,

I don't care what it tastes like. If I was someone who ate shark fin soup once in a while and knew that If I stopped eating it, I would help save a species, then that would be much more rewarding than the damn taste.


He doesnt even read what you say. He is blindly and intentionally just sticking to his point without counter-argument for the sake of getting more posts and baiting people into making bannable posts back at him in frustration.

Dear sir, no need to be angry, if it was about that earlier post, I definitely apologize for letting the heat get to my head. But you really shouldn't deny something without having a taste of it first.


The problem isnt taste at all. I understand that kimchee to me tastes like poop but it is an integral part of korean culture and tastes amazing to them. However, they aren't endangering an entire species by driving the demand for it. No you cannot argue "just one more" shark wouldnt hurt. It WILL hurt because everyone else has that mindset.

I could care less about the humane/inhumane way they harvest. It is the fact that if sharks were to become extinct or critically endangered it would have DRASTIC effect on the most important ecosystem on the planet. They are that important.

That is why a tax should be levied from this, Decrease demand, still not ban, but a similar effect is achieved and there is money to make, what is there not to love?
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
October 27 2011 04:12 GMT
#736
On October 27 2011 13:11 Tektos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:58 saltywet wrote:
On October 27 2011 12:34 shawster wrote:
good, ban that shit.

the way that shark fins are harvested disgust me. i don't see a problem with them infringing upon the rights of the minority. culture isn't an excuse if it causes that much damage to ecosystems and shark populations. i would ban consumption of any meat or product that is harvested unjustly and harmfully.

it's fucking stupid that people are bringing race into discussion. this has nothing to do with race, retards. this ban is about stopping damage to shark populations and stopping unethical finning of sharks. i understand that it hurts some chinese culture but unfortunately i would say culture is less important than the issue at hand.

if eating a delicacy is more important to you than stopping poaching and dwindling shark populations then you're kind of selfish. cut off indulgence and do some good will ya?

the sad part about this discussion is that if i say i'm 100% chinese then i'll be taken more seriously.


what makes you think banning shark fin eating in toronto will stop shark pouching?

the way i see it, china, hong kong, singapore will NEVER ban shark fin soup. if the rest of the world bans it, then that just means there will be much more supply for shark fin soup for chinese people living in these chinese countries; the price of the soup wont go down as it will be balanced by the decreasing population of sharks and just by the vast amount of overseas people who will travel to these legal areas JUST to be able to eat shark fin soup.

imo, countries banning shark fin soup is just decreasing their GDP and making chinese countries richer


Just because another country is being environmentally irresponsible does not mean we have the right to be irresponsible too simply because "they're doing it so it doesn't matter if we do it too".

Every jurisdiction where the sale of shark fins or the prevention of shark finning occurs is a small victory in the grand scheme of things.


except u havent read my post and understand that the ban isnt gonna decrease poaching
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
October 27 2011 04:13 GMT
#737
Banning is always a bad idea, the smart thing would be to tax what you don't like so you can make money out of it
[TLNY]Mahjong Club Thread
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
October 27 2011 04:15 GMT
#738
On October 27 2011 13:00 LanTAs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:53 Elite__ wrote:
I can't even fathom how one of the arguments to keep shark fin soup legal is that its a cultural tradition. From the video's I saw, the sharks are being brutalized and are then just thrown back into the ocean to rot at the bottom where they cant move because they don't have their fins, and since they are in the water its not like they are suffocating, they just lay their until they have this terrible, long death.
.


Cows, Pigs, Chickens, and other forms of major livestock owned by major companies are pretty much tortured throughout their whole lives. How can it still be legal when they are brutalized for many years and then finally killed and shipped to the nearest local market?

YOU KNOW WHAT?
WHY DON'T WE ALL BECOME ALL BLOODY VEGETARIANS?

"No, because nothing can replace the taste and texture of meat. Once you try bacon, you never go back."

See what's going on here?


plenty of vegan foods replicate the taste and texture of meats pretty bang on dude. just thought id throw that out there

oh and DAMN FOREIGNERS LOL
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Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
October 27 2011 04:16 GMT
#739
On October 27 2011 12:54 Reborn8u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 09:37 Kiarip wrote:
On October 27 2011 09:33 Reborn8u wrote:
I think humanity has driven enough species out of existence. Even if you lack compassion, it's obvious that we threaten our own existence if we don't change our ways. Totally support the ban, these animals should be treated with more respect.

Just last year another species of rhino became extinct. We have a responsibility as the dominant species on this planet to stop acting like jackasses by annihilating lifeforms.
http://www.livescience.com/16744-vietnam-javan-rhino-extinct.html

Here is a list of endangered shark species, there are 201 of them. These animals have existed for millions of years and in just a few generations we are managing to erase them from existence.

http://www.shark.ch/Database/EndangeredSharks/index.html?lim=8&slang=2



on average there's a species going extinct every 20 minutes. If there's a suppl for shark fins there will be a demand regardles of whether it's legal or not, you're just forcing honest people trying to make their living into becoming criminals...

It's not our responsibility to save individual species, or even to avoid destroying them altogether, unless their lack of existence poses some kind of negative consequences for whoever's is gonna be left alive.


There is a species going extinct every 20 minutes Because of humans
No, we are not forcing them to become criminals, we are forcing them to not cause extinction. There are plenty of other aquatic animals they can hunt for profit, that don't face extinction. A lot of seafood is being farmed these days. Maybe they should try it.

(Most of us) We have these things called brains, when we use them and really think about our role on this planet, and what an oasis of life this Earth is. Among the vast emptiness of space that surrounds this planet completely devoid of anything that can sustain life. We realize that It IS our responsibility to save species instead of destroying them

"We don't need sharks in the seas for any reason. They eat fish, and we're already over-fishing the Oceans, so overpopulation of fish won't be a problem, most people don't eat actual sharks, they don't compose a large portion of people's diet, so if someone want's to have shark fins there's literally no negative consequence to it other than people in the future not being able to get shark fins..."

This is just such an ignorant statement I'm not even sure how to respond. Are you trolling? Apex predators like sharks are CRUCIAL to a healthy eco system. They weed out the weak and sick, and make sure that the stronger and healthier prey survive into adulthood.

Everything on this planet has a role and co-exists (except humans) their existence has a purpose grander than such small minded thinking can comprehend. The fact that you honestly believe that everything on this planet is just here so we can harvest it until it's gone, leaves me almost speechless. This kind of thinking is EXACTLY what will lead humans to their own self destruction. I feel ashamed that we are even the same species. You need to do some reading kid, because arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand. You clearly are a pile of both, there are mountains of research about the role apex predators fill and their importance. Maybe you should try to learn what you are talking about before you spew the first idiotic thing that comes to mind.

A decade or so ago, scientists re-introduced wolves to Yellow Stone National Park. Humans had eradicated them from the mid-western U.S. It was controversial at the time, a lot of foolish people made terrible arguments about the lack of necessity. Now that they are once again thriving, it is clear to everyone how important they are. All of the herds of grazing animals have become overall healthier, and are maintaining sustainable populations. They have brought balance. The reproduction of the wolves' prey is being kept in check, the grazing herds can't just stand around all day doing nothing and making babies. They are being chased by wolf packs and forced to stay on the move. The weak don't survive to create weak offspring. Also, many scavenger animals are thriving again because of the carcasses being left. Ecosystems are incredibly complex, it's not about "what can they do for us" They do things for us that are so indirect we don't even realize it.

Do you realize that the reason this earth has an atmosphere and breathable oxygen is because microscopic organisms in the ocean were performing photosynthesis for billions of years, of which oxygen is a byproduct. All the oxygen then floated to the surface and accumulated creating the biosphere your breathing right now? If you didn't realize this would you also say about them "it's just plankton who cares if it goes extinct?"

Would you just pull a part out of your car engine, when you didn't understand it's role? Then jump on the highway and try to drive to Miami. No, because the car might run for a little while, but that part might have been part of your cooling system. So now 20 miles down the road your engine is catching fire.

Bottom line, our generation was born unto a dying world. Yea, that's right, if things keep going the way they are then it isn't a question of "if we will all die" it's a question of "how long till it happens". Humanities destruction of earths environment has started a timer, that ends with our own extinction. Problem is we don't understand how to read the clock, we don't know how much time we have to try and fix what we've done.

Yeah, sharks might be just a tiny piece of the overall issue. But it's the thinking (or complete lack of) behind this behavior that I find so disturbing.



Everyone should thoroughly read this post until they understand the intricacies of this issue. You eating shark fin soup is not a life or death issue, you can live without it. The consequences of finning sharks are infinitely higher than the benefits of eating shark fin soup.
pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
October 27 2011 04:16 GMT
#740
On October 27 2011 13:13 Blasterion wrote:
Banning is always a bad idea, the smart thing would be to tax what you don't like so you can make money out of it


but then again china controls just about all the demand for shark fin so it would have to be china that implements such a tax
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