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On July 03 2014 23:59 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 23:55 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 20:56 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2014 11:49 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:On July 03 2014 11:38 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:30 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:22 Ektor Baboden wrote:On July 03 2014 11:11 Adrian_mx wrote:
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Hmm, thats an interesting point I would go as far as saying that that's the only sensible point of view, in my opinion. After the age of 16, I'd have been pissed off as fuck if somebody had come into my room without knocking at the door. Shes a girl and I forgot to mention fellas, this guy is a random she never introduced me before bringing him over. Thats pretty disrespectful. I have always introduced my lady friends to my family before ever having them sleepover. It would be totally different if she introduced me and asked etc. Just a sign of respect. You are absolutely right. You need to protect the household. I was pretty upset, but I held it like a man and told him to get out Lol. U R trolling right? Assuming that his father isn't present at the time. He is the man of the household. He needs to manage it well in the absence of the father figure. Its akin to telling your kids to stop eating too much sugar stuff because its bad for his/her health. Err... here in the 21st century that isn't the way things work. Big brother is not automatically the head of the household if the father is away. I for one would never have assumed I could tell my siblings what to do. And you're even assuming the father is away, which wasn't said. IF their parents were out, and had left him in charge then he should expect to be introduced. Otherwise it's quite clearly their parents' household and not his. Assuming an otherwise functional family, that means that as long as their parents were okay with his sister's guest, his only responsibility with regards to the whole situation is to respect her private space. The way he phrased the initial post, he also seemed more upset about the spooning than the fact that there was an unknown dude in the house. The spooning is absolutely none of his business in any case. Unless you have laws and legislation to prove that, the big brother is absolutely in charge of the household in the absence of the father figure. On the note of the private space, you are also assuming that she is paying rent to the place. If she isn't paying rent, then her space isn't exactly private, it still belongs to the parents. Unless you rent/purchased the place yourself, the one that's set in charge of the place gets to manage it any ways he or she intended it to be. The "head of household" according to the law is just whoever is paying the majority of the rent. Gender is irrelevant in the equation, and the brother wouldn't suddenly be head of household just because the parents aren't home at that moment.
It could be verbal agreement between the family members. It could be as easy as them saying "Take care of the place" before leaving the house. Personally, that's what my parents did and for many times I went to friends of mine, before their parents head out, they would always wish him to manage the place the well for it to not "get out of the hands".
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On July 03 2014 23:55 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 20:56 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2014 11:49 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:On July 03 2014 11:38 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:30 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:22 Ektor Baboden wrote:On July 03 2014 11:11 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 10:02 Acrofales wrote:
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Close the door again and apologize when she comes out/next time you see her for barging into her private space?
She's a grown-up woman ffs. Hmm, thats an interesting point I would go as far as saying that that's the only sensible point of view, in my opinion. After the age of 16, I'd have been pissed off as fuck if somebody had come into my room without knocking at the door. Shes a girl and I forgot to mention fellas, this guy is a random she never introduced me before bringing him over. Thats pretty disrespectful. I have always introduced my lady friends to my family before ever having them sleepover. It would be totally different if she introduced me and asked etc. Just a sign of respect. You are absolutely right. You need to protect the household. I was pretty upset, but I held it like a man and told him to get out Lol. U R trolling right? Assuming that his father isn't present at the time. He is the man of the household. He needs to manage it well in the absence of the father figure. Its akin to telling your kids to stop eating too much sugar stuff because its bad for his/her health. Err... here in the 21st century that isn't the way things work. Big brother is not automatically the head of the household if the father is away. I for one would never have assumed I could tell my siblings what to do. And you're even assuming the father is away, which wasn't said. IF their parents were out, and had left him in charge then he should expect to be introduced. Otherwise it's quite clearly their parents' household and not his. Assuming an otherwise functional family, that means that as long as their parents were okay with his sister's guest, his only responsibility with regards to the whole situation is to respect her private space. The way he phrased the initial post, he also seemed more upset about the spooning than the fact that there was an unknown dude in the house. The spooning is absolutely none of his business in any case. Unless you have laws and legislation to prove that, the big brother is absolutely in charge of the household in the absence of the father figure. On the note of the private space, you are also assuming that she is paying rent to the place. If she isn't paying rent, then her space isn't exactly private, it still belongs to the parents. Unless you rent/purchased the place yourself, the one that's set in charge of the place gets to manage it any ways he or she intended it to be.
This is just bullshit to the nth degree. So we need laws and legislation to prove that a female is capable of being in charge of the household in the absence of the parents (also... your use of father figure suggest that the mom can't be the head of the household either - a hilariously backward view if that is the case).
As for the sister thing, I would have apologised. I can of course make sure the guy doesn't steal anything or whatever (these aren't mutually exclusive). And after than I would ask my sister who he is, and ask if it's a good idea if she is seeing him. If she sticks with him, well she's an adult. As the brother, I'll just be there if the relationship goes south.
Imo the only clear grounds for intervening in a private relationship between adults is if someone is hurting another person.
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On July 04 2014 00:16 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 23:55 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 20:56 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2014 11:49 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:On July 03 2014 11:38 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:30 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:22 Ektor Baboden wrote:On July 03 2014 11:11 Adrian_mx wrote:
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Hmm, thats an interesting point I would go as far as saying that that's the only sensible point of view, in my opinion. After the age of 16, I'd have been pissed off as fuck if somebody had come into my room without knocking at the door. Shes a girl and I forgot to mention fellas, this guy is a random she never introduced me before bringing him over. Thats pretty disrespectful. I have always introduced my lady friends to my family before ever having them sleepover. It would be totally different if she introduced me and asked etc. Just a sign of respect. You are absolutely right. You need to protect the household. I was pretty upset, but I held it like a man and told him to get out Lol. U R trolling right? Assuming that his father isn't present at the time. He is the man of the household. He needs to manage it well in the absence of the father figure. Its akin to telling your kids to stop eating too much sugar stuff because its bad for his/her health. Err... here in the 21st century that isn't the way things work. Big brother is not automatically the head of the household if the father is away. I for one would never have assumed I could tell my siblings what to do. And you're even assuming the father is away, which wasn't said. IF their parents were out, and had left him in charge then he should expect to be introduced. Otherwise it's quite clearly their parents' household and not his. Assuming an otherwise functional family, that means that as long as their parents were okay with his sister's guest, his only responsibility with regards to the whole situation is to respect her private space. The way he phrased the initial post, he also seemed more upset about the spooning than the fact that there was an unknown dude in the house. The spooning is absolutely none of his business in any case. Unless you have laws and legislation to prove that, the big brother is absolutely in charge of the household in the absence of the father figure. On the note of the private space, you are also assuming that she is paying rent to the place. If she isn't paying rent, then her space isn't exactly private, it still belongs to the parents. Unless you rent/purchased the place yourself, the one that's set in charge of the place gets to manage it any ways he or she intended it to be. This is just bullshit to the nth degree. So we need laws and legislation to prove that a female is capable of being in charge of the household in the absence of the parents (also... your use of father figure suggest that the mom can't be the head of the household either - a hilariously backward view if that is the case). As for the sister thing, I would have apologised. I can of course make sure the guy doesn't steal anything or whatever (these aren't mutually exclusive). And after than I would ask my sister who he is, and ask if it's a good idea if she is seeing him. If she sticks with him, well she's an adult. As the brother, I'll just be there if the relationship goes south. Imo the only clear grounds for intervening in a private relationship between adults is if someone is hurting another person.
My sister doesnt pay rent, I do. My father left me in charge. I wasnt upset with the whole spooning, I was upset with a random guy in my house without me knowing. There is no need for me to apologize as she broke rules my dad set before he left. I however told her she can go to her guyfriends place and do whatever they want but not in my dads household until he comes back and they have a chat.
Seems resonable and the right thing to do
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On July 04 2014 00:24 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 00:16 levelping wrote:On July 03 2014 23:55 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 20:56 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2014 11:49 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:On July 03 2014 11:38 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:30 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:22 Ektor Baboden wrote:
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I would go as far as saying that that's the only sensible point of view, in my opinion.
After the age of 16, I'd have been pissed off as fuck if somebody had come into my room without knocking at the door. Shes a girl and I forgot to mention fellas, this guy is a random she never introduced me before bringing him over. Thats pretty disrespectful. I have always introduced my lady friends to my family before ever having them sleepover. It would be totally different if she introduced me and asked etc. Just a sign of respect. You are absolutely right. You need to protect the household. I was pretty upset, but I held it like a man and told him to get out Lol. U R trolling right? Assuming that his father isn't present at the time. He is the man of the household. He needs to manage it well in the absence of the father figure. Its akin to telling your kids to stop eating too much sugar stuff because its bad for his/her health. Err... here in the 21st century that isn't the way things work. Big brother is not automatically the head of the household if the father is away. I for one would never have assumed I could tell my siblings what to do. And you're even assuming the father is away, which wasn't said. IF their parents were out, and had left him in charge then he should expect to be introduced. Otherwise it's quite clearly their parents' household and not his. Assuming an otherwise functional family, that means that as long as their parents were okay with his sister's guest, his only responsibility with regards to the whole situation is to respect her private space. The way he phrased the initial post, he also seemed more upset about the spooning than the fact that there was an unknown dude in the house. The spooning is absolutely none of his business in any case. Unless you have laws and legislation to prove that, the big brother is absolutely in charge of the household in the absence of the father figure. On the note of the private space, you are also assuming that she is paying rent to the place. If she isn't paying rent, then her space isn't exactly private, it still belongs to the parents. Unless you rent/purchased the place yourself, the one that's set in charge of the place gets to manage it any ways he or she intended it to be. This is just bullshit to the nth degree. So we need laws and legislation to prove that a female is capable of being in charge of the household in the absence of the parents (also... your use of father figure suggest that the mom can't be the head of the household either - a hilariously backward view if that is the case). As for the sister thing, I would have apologised. I can of course make sure the guy doesn't steal anything or whatever (these aren't mutually exclusive). And after than I would ask my sister who he is, and ask if it's a good idea if she is seeing him. If she sticks with him, well she's an adult. As the brother, I'll just be there if the relationship goes south. Imo the only clear grounds for intervening in a private relationship between adults is if someone is hurting another person. My sister doesnt pay rent, I do. My father left me in charge. I wasnt upset with the whole spooning, I was upset with a random guy in my house without me knowing. There is no need for me to apologize as she broke rules my dad set before he left. I however told her she can go to her guyfriends place and do whatever they want but not in my dads household until he comes back and they have a chat. Seems resonable and the right thing to do
My post which you have quoted wasn't addressed to you. I recognise that different families have different house rules, and so I didn't say that you were wrong. I just added what I would have done. But our families and up-bringing differ so I don't expect you to do what I did either. Sorry if I gave the opposite impression.
The bullshit call goes to the bold wording from Xiphos, which being in the nature of a sweeping general statement, I think is fair grounds for comment.
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im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally
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On July 04 2014 00:24 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 00:16 levelping wrote:On July 03 2014 23:55 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 20:56 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2014 11:49 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:42 IgnE wrote:On July 03 2014 11:38 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:32 Xiphos wrote:On July 03 2014 11:30 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 03 2014 11:22 Ektor Baboden wrote:
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I would go as far as saying that that's the only sensible point of view, in my opinion.
After the age of 16, I'd have been pissed off as fuck if somebody had come into my room without knocking at the door. Shes a girl and I forgot to mention fellas, this guy is a random she never introduced me before bringing him over. Thats pretty disrespectful. I have always introduced my lady friends to my family before ever having them sleepover. It would be totally different if she introduced me and asked etc. Just a sign of respect. You are absolutely right. You need to protect the household. I was pretty upset, but I held it like a man and told him to get out Lol. U R trolling right? Assuming that his father isn't present at the time. He is the man of the household. He needs to manage it well in the absence of the father figure. Its akin to telling your kids to stop eating too much sugar stuff because its bad for his/her health. Err... here in the 21st century that isn't the way things work. Big brother is not automatically the head of the household if the father is away. I for one would never have assumed I could tell my siblings what to do. And you're even assuming the father is away, which wasn't said. IF their parents were out, and had left him in charge then he should expect to be introduced. Otherwise it's quite clearly their parents' household and not his. Assuming an otherwise functional family, that means that as long as their parents were okay with his sister's guest, his only responsibility with regards to the whole situation is to respect her private space. The way he phrased the initial post, he also seemed more upset about the spooning than the fact that there was an unknown dude in the house. The spooning is absolutely none of his business in any case. Unless you have laws and legislation to prove that, the big brother is absolutely in charge of the household in the absence of the father figure. On the note of the private space, you are also assuming that she is paying rent to the place. If she isn't paying rent, then her space isn't exactly private, it still belongs to the parents. Unless you rent/purchased the place yourself, the one that's set in charge of the place gets to manage it any ways he or she intended it to be. This is just bullshit to the nth degree. So we need laws and legislation to prove that a female is capable of being in charge of the household in the absence of the parents (also... your use of father figure suggest that the mom can't be the head of the household either - a hilariously backward view if that is the case). As for the sister thing, I would have apologised. I can of course make sure the guy doesn't steal anything or whatever (these aren't mutually exclusive). And after than I would ask my sister who he is, and ask if it's a good idea if she is seeing him. If she sticks with him, well she's an adult. As the brother, I'll just be there if the relationship goes south. Imo the only clear grounds for intervening in a private relationship between adults is if someone is hurting another person. My sister doesnt pay rent, I do. My father left me in charge. I wasnt upset with the whole spooning, I was upset with a random guy in my house without me knowing. There is no need for me to apologize as she broke rules my dad set before he left. I however told her she can go to her guyfriends place and do whatever they want but not in my dads household until he comes back and they have a chat. Seems resonable and the right thing to do
Well, put this way it's more reasonable, even though I would have done differently. If your father left you in charge and you feel responsible that way, obviously you should do what you think is best.
To give you a different perspective, whenever my parents were not around, there was a tacit agreement between me and my (older) brother that we could bring whoever we wanted. He would not even think about bugging me if I came home with a girl. And I have also been at (girl)friends' places when their parents weren't around, even though they never met me before. That's the safest way to have your first sexual experiences, by the way, without being forced to go to a potentially unsafe place.
Try to see it this way: what if your sister just wants to get know somebody? She's 19 and it's normal that she may want a boyfriend or a casual relationship. In that case, you are not going to stop her, but denying her the safety of her own room may potentially push her to do whatever she wanted to do in a less safe place. And if it's a casual relationship, she's not going to introduce the guy to you, ever.
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On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally
Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc.
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On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc.
why the..
She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo
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On July 04 2014 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc. why the.. She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo
I meant seeing a stranger in your household, being a male wouldnt you grab him and throw him out ? I know where Im from alot of brothers/dads would do so. 19 isnt an adult tbh.. 21 is.
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On July 04 2014 01:14 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc. why the.. She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo I meant seeing a stranger in your household, being a male wouldnt you grab him and throw him out ? I know where Im from alot of brothers/dads would do so. 19 isnt an adult tbh.. 21 is.
If a guy is alone walking through my house yes I would be upset.
However that is not the case at all. hes with a family member of yours.
If the 2 situations are the same to you then i feel sorry for your upbringing.
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On July 04 2014 01:14 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc. why the.. She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo I meant seeing a stranger in your household, being a male wouldnt you grab him and throw him out ? I know where Im from alot of brothers/dads would do so. 19 isnt an adult tbh.. 21 is.
That's not the case in any developed nation. You getting used to your sister banging dudes is past due.
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No need to ridicule the guy... He's coming from a good place as an older brother Id think.
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On July 04 2014 01:23 levelping wrote:
No need to ridicule the guy... He's coming from a good place as an older brother Id think.
No, he's not.
Incredible.
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On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc.
If she was say 15 and you the brother was like 17 most of us probably would of, it's mostly a maturity thing. Also if the guy seemed unusually sketchy (like you walked in on them preparing drugs[not pot]) or was like 25+ and she was a minor I think those are times some of the more aggressive guys would of gone uncle Phil on his ass or worse.
As it is, she is an adult who just broke the house rules of the place she is staying. So if this guy seemed reasonably sketchy getting him out without violence was probably the best course of action. If he seemed like just a shy guy that wasn't ready to 'meet the family' You probably could of just had her introduce you after the incident or have him leave until he was ready to meet at least you. If she wants privacy or privilege that goes beyond your family house she needs to get her own.
From a internal family perspective I'd probably call you a tattle/snitch and tell you to ease up out my business. I'm sure she has turned a blind eye to plenty you have done throughout your lives (or maybe snitchin is a family thing ;P) so I hope you at least didn't go out of your way to try to get her in trouble for it.
EDIT: Keep in mind you are going to hear from a disproportionate amount of people who go out of their way to avoid legitimate confrontation in a place like this.
I'm just flabbergasted by how many people are comfortable with the idea of having an unannounced stranger in their house. This is the kind of incident where if I was his friend and my parents found out I'd be in trouble for not saying something. Just like if I brought guests my parents didn't know into their house when they were gone and my friend knew, my parents would be almost as mad at them for not stopping me as they would be at me. Further more his parents would be more mad at him than my parents were at me because he knowingly participating in breaking house rules of another family.
Finally if my parents knew I was cuddling in some girls bed (at her parents house) and I hadn't introduced myself to anyone in their family they would be livid. Because they know what it feels like on the other side of the situation.
I remember as far back as 3rd grade going to a girls (parents) house and it being expected that if I wanted to go in that I had to meet her parents or at least an older sibling until they got home. In my opinion it has little to do with age, and everything to do with respect and trust.
19 y.o.'s consistently make poor assessments of people, it seems totally reasonable to expect anyone she wants to be in my house (potentially unsupervised) should have the courage if not expect to meet the owner/parents.
Hell thinking about it, we had the same rules at the house I stayed at in college. You couldn't just bring anyone you wanted in the house whenever you wanted. At least 1/2 of the house had to approve of guests (meaning they were at least introduced) that were going to be around when people were sleeping/away.
Man you guys who are fine with having a stranger in your house just because she brought him there either live in places I can only imagine, or you guys are just the luckiest SOB's on the planet for not getting taken advantage of.
On a completely unrelated note, any of you trusting people have sisters with bad judgment and a house full of electronics?
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On July 04 2014 01:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:14 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc. why the.. She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo I meant seeing a stranger in your household, being a male wouldnt you grab him and throw him out ? I know where Im from alot of brothers/dads would do so. 19 isnt an adult tbh.. 21 is. If a guy is alone walking through my house yes I would be upset. However that is not the case at all. hes with a family member of yours. If the 2 situations are the same to you then i feel sorry for your upbringing.
No need to feel sorry for my upbringing lmao, that has nothing to do with the question I am asking. I wanted to make a discussion and Im glad I got one
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On July 04 2014 01:23 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:23 levelping wrote:
No need to ridicule the guy... He's coming from a good place as an older brother Id think. No, he's not. Incredible.
iuno he did say she can do w.e. she wants at her friends houses etc but hes enforcing the rules his dad asked him too. doesnt sound so bad.
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On July 04 2014 02:14 Adrian_mx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 01:16 Gorsameth wrote:On July 04 2014 01:14 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:On July 04 2014 01:09 Adrian_mx wrote:On July 04 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
im surprised and impressed with the answer's to adrian's question, and with him after his last response.
edit: cept Xiphos naturally Im also very suprised about the answers, I wouldve never expected it, i thought most males would use violence etc. why the.. She is an adult cuddling with someone. How is there anything wrong with that and why on earth would you use violence Oo I meant seeing a stranger in your household, being a male wouldnt you grab him and throw him out ? I know where Im from alot of brothers/dads would do so. 19 isnt an adult tbh.. 21 is. If a guy is alone walking through my house yes I would be upset. However that is not the case at all. hes with a family member of yours. If the 2 situations are the same to you then i feel sorry for your upbringing. No need to feel sorry for my upbringing lmao, that has nothing to do with the question I am asking. I wanted to make a discussion and Im glad I got one
I do have to say, I'm impressed you're taking our scathing criticism in stride 
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if the spooner was a long-ish time acquaintance/friend of my sisters it would've been fine else i would threw him out too.
she's clearly abusing her new found freedoms.
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On July 04 2014 04:04 xM(Z wrote:
if the spooner was a long-ish time acquaintance/friend of my sisters it would've been fine else i would threw him out too.
she's clearly abusing her new found freedoms.
The freedom to cuddle.
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On July 04 2014 04:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 04:04 xM(Z wrote:
if the spooner was a long-ish time acquaintance/friend of my sisters it would've been fine else i would threw him out too.
she's clearly abusing her new found freedoms. The freedom to cuddle.
hey, she BELONGS to his household, so its her obligation to fill out the cuddleform first^^
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