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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
February 24 2014 01:05 GMT
#8361
If it was up to me I wouldn't even consider dating her for a second. That's just too much for me to handle AND put faith in.

But that may be only me.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
February 24 2014 01:07 GMT
#8362
On February 24 2014 09:38 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 09:24 Erik.TheRed wrote:
On February 24 2014 08:48 arb wrote:
On February 24 2014 02:40 Calanthe wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 arb wrote:
Okay this ones a doozey, I am almost 100% certain of the answers i'm going to get(because i'm assuming them myself lolol) But here goes::

After getting talked into going to the strip club monday night, one of the strippers gives me her phone number pretty randomly, saying text her snapchat etc etc. even though i only paid her 10(which was pretty small considering how much shit is there) furthermore, she stayed to talk to me for nearly 2 hours, despite me saying im not going to give her shitall else, and there was other people there who were in need of some lapdancing action. All the while she's asking me if i'd like her to buy me things(beer mostly) which struck me as odd since it's not like a stripper to go out and offer to buy me things??

Fastforward to friday and the same thing happens, except shes like wanting to buy me dances from her(essentially a win for both i guess thinking about it) but she mentions her baby daddy is still in her life(she's 24/25 with a kid) before i leave she again tells me to facebook her etc(gives full name info blah blah)

My question here is, do i assume this is one big ploy to eat me out of my bank account or is this sincere? I haven't really talked to her much, and i don't feel like i have a grasp on her personality or anything and this is all pretty confusing cause i've never had this happen like.
ever.


Holy shit, you guys. Strippers are people! Let's treat them like they are people!

This is what girls do when they want to date you. Something about you interested her (were you wearing an expensive watch? Did you casually mention your family vacations to Saint-Tropez?) and now she'd like to talk to you more. Don't get ahead of yourself. We don't know anything else about her motivations here.

Would you like to date a stripper? The profession comes with its own set of interesting hurdles for SOs. If you're a military wife, you have to deal with your husband being deployed for months at a time, and when you're dating a stripper, your girlfriend takes her clothes off for money. While this, in and of itself, is nothing bad or shameful, some men can't handle it because they like the idea of being the only person to see their girlfriend's naked body etc. Do you have the necessary open-mindedness to do this successfully? Are you ready and prepared to date someone with a kid, and are you ready to deal with the baby daddy? These are the questions you should be asking yourself.


I'm not sure how big into her life he is cause i wasnt really like, asking but she was talking about her life, school etc etc. I don't really give a shit what someone does for a living but the entire thing is like striking me as odd and im just like what the fuck is going on cause i have no intention of getting drawn into any kind of baby mama drama(that shit is for the fucking birds) Not to mention she is like kinda gitty(is that the word) about texting cause of her baby daddy who she isnt even with and im just like why the fuck did you even give me your number in the first place?

I am not really sure how you are supposed to ask someone who you pay to see naked to go out and do something like that just blows my mind. In fact the entire thing blows my mind and im not sure what to make of it.

On February 24 2014 02:06 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think you were chosen from among the clientele? What is different about you? Does she give you a reason for her selection of you?

Clearly the fact my hair is long as fuck, and noone seems to believe that strippers love long hair/women above anything else. Which i didnt either till i saw both of these in action :x I did tell her i'd sit and listen as long as she felt like talkign and she went on about all kinds of shit i was like what. Only left once but she came back and was like "that old guy gives me like 100$ everytime he's here so i had to go get it" and im like okay thats cool. I had clearly already told her im not paying her anymore tho.

Obviously though I declined any offer for her to buy me things cause i'm not that kinda guy at all, bad idea/good idea?


just go on a date with her, she's clearly still on your mind. i don't think it's fair to assume she has some ulterior motives at this point in time, just try and see things from her perspective. she's got baggage and probably 90%+ guys won't seriously date her because of her job.


I mean yes its bad to assume that, but they are there to make money, and they have to manipulative and good with people to get what they want, that is kinda bothering me and has been since it all happened.

Plus baby daddy is always a huge nono. I couldnt care less she strips or has a kid, but a baby daddy being an "active" part of their lives is something that noone should get their hopes up and not many people can deal with the fact you're never going to be before him no matter what if he's still in the picture


To be fair it could just be a shared custody type thing.
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
February 24 2014 01:28 GMT
#8363
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 01:38:36
February 24 2014 01:38 GMT
#8364
On February 24 2014 02:40 Calanthe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:19 arb wrote:
Okay this ones a doozey, I am almost 100% certain of the answers i'm going to get(because i'm assuming them myself lolol) But here goes::

After getting talked into going to the strip club monday night, one of the strippers gives me her phone number pretty randomly, saying text her snapchat etc etc. even though i only paid her 10(which was pretty small considering how much shit is there) furthermore, she stayed to talk to me for nearly 2 hours, despite me saying im not going to give her shitall else, and there was other people there who were in need of some lapdancing action. All the while she's asking me if i'd like her to buy me things(beer mostly) which struck me as odd since it's not like a stripper to go out and offer to buy me things??

Fastforward to friday and the same thing happens, except shes like wanting to buy me dances from her(essentially a win for both i guess thinking about it) but she mentions her baby daddy is still in her life(she's 24/25 with a kid) before i leave she again tells me to facebook her etc(gives full name info blah blah)

My question here is, do i assume this is one big ploy to eat me out of my bank account or is this sincere? I haven't really talked to her much, and i don't feel like i have a grasp on her personality or anything and this is all pretty confusing cause i've never had this happen like.
ever.


Holy shit, you guys. Strippers are people! Let's treat them like they are people!


Strippers are about as much "people" as redheads.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 24 2014 01:39 GMT
#8365
On February 24 2014 10:38 chadissilent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 02:40 Calanthe wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:19 arb wrote:
Okay this ones a doozey, I am almost 100% certain of the answers i'm going to get(because i'm assuming them myself lolol) But here goes::

After getting talked into going to the strip club monday night, one of the strippers gives me her phone number pretty randomly, saying text her snapchat etc etc. even though i only paid her 10(which was pretty small considering how much shit is there) furthermore, she stayed to talk to me for nearly 2 hours, despite me saying im not going to give her shitall else, and there was other people there who were in need of some lapdancing action. All the while she's asking me if i'd like her to buy me things(beer mostly) which struck me as odd since it's not like a stripper to go out and offer to buy me things??

Fastforward to friday and the same thing happens, except shes like wanting to buy me dances from her(essentially a win for both i guess thinking about it) but she mentions her baby daddy is still in her life(she's 24/25 with a kid) before i leave she again tells me to facebook her etc(gives full name info blah blah)

My question here is, do i assume this is one big ploy to eat me out of my bank account or is this sincere? I haven't really talked to her much, and i don't feel like i have a grasp on her personality or anything and this is all pretty confusing cause i've never had this happen like.
ever.


Holy shit, you guys. Strippers are people! Let's treat them like they are people!


Strippers are about as much "people" as redheads.

I feel like it is just some big string of shit that im probably over reacting or overthinking, either way i dunno.

my luck with females is non existent and this only validates my point
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
February 24 2014 02:06 GMT
#8366
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 24 2014 02:07 GMT
#8367
On February 24 2014 11:06 KaiserKieran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.

you should try to find what kinda stuff she enjoys, id def not go to a musical if she doesnt like them.

dinner is always good, just get a feel for her really dood
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
February 24 2014 02:22 GMT
#8368
On February 24 2014 11:07 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 11:06 KaiserKieran wrote:
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.

you should try to find what kinda stuff she enjoys, id def not go to a musical if she doesnt like them.

dinner is always good, just get a feel for her really dood


Why the hell did I not think of that...she does poms but I don't really know what else.

I will find out an report back.

Man I love this thread.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 24 2014 02:24 GMT
#8369
On February 24 2014 11:22 KaiserKieran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 11:07 arb wrote:
On February 24 2014 11:06 KaiserKieran wrote:
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.

you should try to find what kinda stuff she enjoys, id def not go to a musical if she doesnt like them.

dinner is always good, just get a feel for her really dood


Why the hell did I not think of that...she does poms but I don't really know what else.

I will find out an report back.

Man I love this thread.

you dont have to be upfront you can beat around the bush and then base it off that if youre not feeling being direct about it
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
February 24 2014 13:07 GMT
#8370
On February 24 2014 02:06 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think you were chosen from among the clientele? What is different about you? Does she give you a reason for her selection of you?


Ehm, how about ATM was written all over his head? Nothing wrong with that, I'd say go for it, but if the price is too high, better save that money for vacation somewhere else.
My only regret after fucking women for money, is "why the fuck dont I treat myself more often".

And I'm talking about the worst case scenario >D
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
February 24 2014 15:03 GMT
#8371
On February 24 2014 11:06 KaiserKieran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.

I actually prefer to cook dinner and eat together or to pack good and tasty things into a backpack and go outside with her, watching the sunset, enjoying something to drink and good food (a good cheese, bread etc etc), depending on the weather though ;D
Depends on the taste of your date aswell, but most girls I know and would date, prefer those non standard things much more than "lets go out and eat sth". There is so much more feeling in it
Photo-Noob@ http://www.flickr.com/photos/eisregen1983/
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2104 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 16:11:15
February 24 2014 16:10 GMT
#8372
girl i wrote to last friday on fb if she wanted to have coffee together hasn't messaged me back :/. i hate when it's just complete ignore..
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
February 24 2014 16:19 GMT
#8373
On February 25 2014 00:03 Eisregen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 11:06 KaiserKieran wrote:
On February 24 2014 10:28 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On February 24 2014 09:57 KaiserKieran wrote:
So as a high school student what are good date options? Keep in mind of have to have someone drive us and i have limited moolah. I really like this girl and is like to do something with her. I'm getting tickets to a west side story musical which I think might be fun.

Does anyone have any advice?

Start dating one of your hot teachers. That's kind of a thing in the states anyway. Kill 2 birds with one stone


Nice idea but I already found a date I just need a good date idea like going out to dinner or something.

Nice try though.

I actually prefer to cook dinner and eat together or to pack good and tasty things into a backpack and go outside with her, watching the sunset, enjoying something to drink and good food (a good cheese, bread etc etc), depending on the weather though ;


I prefer that as well. Most people live around some body of water, and where there are river or the sea, there are other pleasant places as well. Just take her to a nice and quiet place, have a nibble and a bit to drink and enjoy the silence (and preferably the sun, but that's not always possible, obviously).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18187 Posts
February 24 2014 16:24 GMT
#8374
On February 25 2014 01:10 Copymizer wrote:
girl i wrote to last friday on fb if she wanted to have coffee together hasn't messaged me back :/. i hate when it's just complete ignore..


It was a message on facebook. I often don't respond to those either. Unless you were chatting a lot with her and felt like you were getting along, I wouldn't have expected a response.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 24 2014 17:33 GMT
#8375
On February 25 2014 01:10 Copymizer wrote:
girl i wrote to last friday on fb if she wanted to have coffee together hasn't messaged me back :/. i hate when it's just complete ignore..


This is life. Get used to it.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 17:42:44
February 24 2014 17:42 GMT
#8376
GF of 3 years broke up with me this morning, pretty tame breakup but lost my best friend and am pretty devastated. maybe wrong thread who knows. left without a best friend and no one to talk to (she was who i talked to)
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
February 24 2014 18:07 GMT
#8377
That's tough... Speaking from experience, the first weeks are gonna be rough, but afterwards you will enjoy the freedom of life without attachments. It really isn't so bad to have some change in your life sometimes
This signature is ruining eSports.
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
February 25 2014 03:55 GMT
#8378
On February 25 2014 02:42 Esoterikk wrote:
GF of 3 years broke up with me this morning, pretty tame breakup but lost my best friend and am pretty devastated. maybe wrong thread who knows. left without a best friend and no one to talk to (she was who i talked to)

This song cheers me up whenever I break up with a girl.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
February 25 2014 11:00 GMT
#8379
I had to shut down a girl I have been sleeping with when she asked me to be her boyfriend.
We had a very unpleasant conversation and I feel rather terrible about it.

My question is: is there any way to recover from that and 'salvage' the 'relationship' to become friends?

I figured I'd give her space for a few weeks / months and then write her a letter.
By that point, she'll hopefully have a new dude and we can just hang out every once in a while.
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
February 25 2014 11:38 GMT
#8380
On February 25 2014 20:00 SixStrings wrote:
I had to shut down a girl I have been sleeping with when she asked me to be her boyfriend.
We had a very unpleasant conversation and I feel rather terrible about it.

My question is: is there any way to recover from that and 'salvage' the 'relationship' to become friends?

I figured I'd give her space for a few weeks / months and then write her a letter.
By that point, she'll hopefully have a new dude and we can just hang out every once in a while.

This is all a matter of perspective I suppose, so some may agree with me while others won't...
But why were you sleeping with a girl you don't have any interest in going further with? If both of you had talked about having ONLY casual sex before with no strings attached, there should not have been a big fight about it. So it seems that you didn't talk about it. Why? It's as if you realized that she probably wouldn't have sex with you if she knew you had no further intentions. You could say that it swings both ways, but honestly, IMO if you start a sexual relationship it's 100% up to YOU to make it clear that you don't want to go further with it, especially if you value the friendship behind it.

Do you value her as a friend? If yes, why didn't you talk about it, it should be obvious that these things can jeopardize friendship, especially without making things clear beforehand.

However, if you had indeed talked about it beforehand, how this is only sex and no relationship stuff involved, then you should reflect on why the argument escalated so much. Obviously there must have been some misunderstandings. Once you understand why it escalated and you can relate to her feelings, then yeah, approach her and try to fix it. Preferrably in person or through phone IMHO.

Also, I'm just a random guy in the internet with different values than you, and I don't know the full story of anything you do, but from your posting it seems as if you end up hurting women around you relatively often. Arguments and disagreements happen, thats part of life and all, but just consider the possibility that your lifestyle of easily having sex may be catching up to you. It just seems to me as if you value the sex more than the friendship with a lot of people, and that would indicate to me that you may want to develop a little bit more respect for others and yourself too. You should save yourself from all this trouble, sex shouldn't be worth the drama every time imo.
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