EPT"Racial hatred festival" - best description of whats going on both in Bulgaria and on TLnet.
I'm so disappointed.
Bulgarian Riots - Page 7
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
"Racial hatred festival" - best description of whats going on both in Bulgaria and on TLnet. I'm so disappointed. | ||
KwarK
United States42960 Posts
On September 27 2011 22:07 niteReloaded wrote: Ugh, I had no idea so many countries have this problem. It's present in Croatia too, altho I'd say they're pretty peaceful here; I can't really remember a real incident. They do beg for money on crossroads etc, treat their kids poorly, always look for metals etc, but they never did anything bad to me, and I actually play basketball with some of them on the local playground. However, responding to the problems that do occur, the only solution would be to end the mentality that their culture seems to have no matter which country they live in. One realistic way to do it would be to make them a country. Then they'll realize that they don't have anyone to leech from and they will possibly grow into fully functional human beings. The other, cruel way would be to take away their kids, based on the poor treatment, and give them for adoption to normal couples. Then the gypsie 'culture' dies, but no human is killed. This is a form of ethnic cleansing that was practiced by the Australian Government in an attempt to wipe out the Aborigines. It's something that ended pretty badly for them and I don't think anyone wants to try it again quite yet. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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vanhio
Niue1017 Posts
90% of them refuse to work and the only thing they do is stealing. People who wants only privilegs and no responsibilities are plague to society. Most of them are not paying their bills and still gets water and electricity. Free water and electricity sounds cool right ? Who do you think pays for all of this ? Who do you think pays child support to every 15 years old gipsy girl with 3 childrens ? People here are sick and tired of this SHIT ! | ||
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krasytod
Bulgaria7 Posts
People who were there, including me demonstrated against the total absence of justice when organized crime is involved.(Tsar Kiro for instance is a member of a ruling party GERB, so from Sofia were sent over 300 marines  police and special forces to protect him)Certain media and politicians have great benefit, this purely political protest, to be shown as ethnic conflict. Himself "Tsar Kiro" often threatens with "second Kosovo". Sorry for bad english | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
By the way, I am bias'd due to exactly what is posted below me. Every time some backwoods fuckwit or Tea Party "activist" makes international news I suffer through a tirade of insults to all 300 million+ of my countrymen. | ||
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:34 Hypertension wrote: I had to check out the thread that scared off the mighty banhammer of Nyovne. I am so proud to be an American right now, where anyone calling another race genetically or culturally inferior would rightly be ridiculed. If you can't judge people independently based on their actions, and instead have to tar the entire group because "90% of them are like this", then you are being racist. Is this sentiment against the Gypsies really popular and well tolerated in Europe? read this On September 27 2011 23:30 ilovelings wrote: I live in a city packed with migrants and the only ones I had problems with were the gypsies. | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:21 KwarK wrote: This is a form of ethnic cleansing that was practiced by the Australian Government in an attempt to wipe out the Aborigines. It's something that ended pretty badly for them and I don't think anyone wants to try it again quite yet. Same story with Native Americans too, shit went bad for the kids who weren't accepted by either group. On September 27 2011 22:31 m00nchile wrote: How many black people are gangbangers, thieves and criminals? How many are well adjusted people that do no harm to their surroundings? If you'd look at the statistics, I'd wager they are no better or worse than white people, or most minorities. A gypsy living in an apartment he bought/pays rent for, goes to work and send his children to school is an exception. That's the difference. As we said, it's not about race, it's the lifestyle they choose and drag their children along with them. Actually, a lot of people in America who "aren't racist" do sound an awful lot like you, they are as defensive too. "Just the gangbangers, theives and criminals, ya know, most of 'em." It doesn't matter if you think your opinion is factual, to me you sound like a hick from the south. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:34 Hypertension wrote: I had to check out the thread that scared off the mighty banhammer of Nyovne. I am so proud to be an American right now, where anyone calling another race genetically or culturally inferior would rightly be ridiculed. If you can't judge people independently based on their actions, and instead have to tar the entire group because "90% of them are like this", then you are being racist. Is this sentiment against the Gypsies really popular and well tolerated in Europe? Generalization is so scary and dangerous and needs to be treated with a lot of care. However when generalization is needed to discuss and look into a large scale problem, it's equally scary to hear people say you shouldn't generalize. | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
And what people wrote is true, they don't want to change! Because it's easier to steal/rob/kill than work for money. The ruling gypsies are rich as fuck and they also control the police and have good business relations with political leaders (you think they couldn't stop the sex slavery if they wanted to). It's easy to live somewhere where you don't interact with gypsies and say "omg, don't discriminate.. poor guys, they are like the jews" but it's hard to impossible when you have to live with them. Why? They don't fear authorities, don't fear police, don't fear justice. Don't wanna work, don't want to study, don't want to follow any norms of the society. Of course there are exceptions, of great gypsies or normal gypsies who are having a life just as a normal romanian... but it's rare.. under 1%. | ||
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
Now, I've never met a gypsy before nor have I heard any incident involving gypsies here in States, but according to my European friends, especially from Eastern Europe, the gypsy problem is a pandemic over there. | ||
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hgt1002
Hungary30 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:34 Hypertension wrote: I had to check out the thread that scared off the mighty banhammer of Nyovne. I am so proud to be an American right now, where anyone calling another race genetically or culturally inferior would rightly be ridiculed. If you can't judge people independently based on their actions, and instead have to tar the entire group because "90% of them are like this", then you are being racist. Is this sentiment against the Gypsies really popular and well tolerated in Europe? nope. its just pure chance. lets demonstrate with an example: if you run through the road youll have 90% chance to hit by a bus and 10% you make it to the other side. will you go for it? this how people feel toward them. its not racism, its self-defense, since everyone is concerned for their own good in the first place. and unfortunately, it does really sucks for the rest 10%, who by the way very easy to recognize just by getting in contact with them, since they look clean, speaking the countrys language well, mannered, not loud or obnoxious, wont try to angle you and stuff... however when they send a CV for a job, only being represented by a gypsy name and a photo, noone will risk it (understandably). | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
They are abusing the welfare system and don't care about society. In order to reap the benefits of a society you should have to be part of it in the first place. Where I live, gypsies are not a huge problem in general, because there are only few, but those few already behave bad enough to justify stopping their immigration. My mother works in the social housing (?) department and those people leave their appartements in complete destruction after only a few years. They don't pay taxes, they steal, they don't work, don't pay rents and they violate the property of others by just living wherever the hell they want. These are all crimes and there exist laws and punishments. But what are you gonna do? Fine them? They can't pay (even if they had the money it would not be legally obtained and thus the state wouldn't know). Make them do social work? They just don't show up. Throw them in jail? That doesn't solve the problem, jails are full and they would still live off state welfare. Throw them out of the country? They will somehow get in again and it only pushes the problem elsewhere. Please don't tell me they have no choice: Where I live everyone can get work, e.g. yearly apple harvesting attracts thousands of czech, polish, slovakian etc. You don't have to know anything to do it and it is payed fairly well. Still, they refuse to work. They would get free education even up to university level and they get free housing too. Unfortunately you can't just give them no welfare. It will only cause them to engage in criminal acts to obtain needed money. If it weren't for western morals and ethics, they would long have been eradicated by either themselves or the people they are leeching from. I don't know an ethically and morally sound solution to the problem. They have nothing to lose (at least nothing you could take without completely violating their human rights) so how do you punish them? | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On September 27 2011 21:52 Cokefreak wrote: I have to bold this part, for a few years now small groups of Gypsies have been coming to Finland during the summer and they actually built ghetto-like 'villages' into the middle of the capital here. The funny thing is that they whine about not getting enough welfare, but then you see satellite dishes coming out of there shantytown houses. And when you go and play football with them (don't do it, bad idea) they are wearing more expensive shoes than you. Not to mention that they reproduce like cockroaches, there's literally 5 gypsy kids to every 1 Bulgarian kid. Basically, as each generation passes they become a bigger burden on society because there will be less people to shoulder an increasing gypsy population. Add to that, that stealing is criminality is second nature to them. There are some gypsy neighbourhoods that are hard working, however they are a very small minority (1-2%). P.S. Integration (ie. getting these guys to work) was tried during the communist era. As we can see, it didn't succeed for the most part. | ||
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
On September 27 2011 23:47 MaGariShun wrote: This has absolutely nothing to do with being racist. Gypsies are a problem. Gypsies who went to school and live a normal (and by that I don't mean culturally assimilated, but lawful) life, work, send their children to school etc. are not Gypsies anymore. We are not talking about the "ethical gypsies" here, but instead about the "behavioural" ones. They are abusing the welfare system and don't care about society. In order to reap the benefits of a society you should have to be part of it in the first place. Where I live, gypsies are not a huge problem in general, because there are only few, but those few already behave bad enough to justify stopping their immigration. My mother works in the social housing (?) department and those people leave their appartements in complete destruction after only a few years. They don't pay taxes, they steal, they don't work, don't pay rents and they violate the property of others by just living wherever the hell they want. These are all crimes and there exist laws and punishments. But what are you gonna do? Fine them? They can't pay (even if they had the money it would not be legally obtained and thus the state wouldn't know). Make them do social work? They just don't show up. Throw them in jail? That doesn't solve the problem, jails are full and they would still live off state welfare. Throw them out of the country? They will somehow get in again and it only pushes the problem elsewhere. Please don't tell me they have no choice: Where I live everyone can get work, e.g. yearly apple harvesting attracts thousands of czech, polish, slovakian etc. You don't have to know anything to do it and it is payed fairly well. Still, they refuse to work. They would get free education even up to university level and they get free housing too. Unfortunately you can't just give them no welfare. It will only cause them to engage in criminal acts to obtain needed money. If it weren't for western morals and ethics, they would long have been eradicated by either themselves or the people they are leeching from. I don't know an ethically and morally sound solution to the problem. They have nothing to lose (at least nothing you could take without completely violating their human rights) so how do you punish them? this. I buy my groceries from a bolivian family, a chilean one, a japanese one and a korean one. The best anti semite jokes I've ever heard were made by an Orthodox Rabi, my gay brothers is married to another man, I've dated from Azn to Black, my neighbour is from Senegal, and somehow the only ones that I've (or we because I have seen other minorities having problems too) had problems (serious) with were with the Gypsies. They are trouble. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
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