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On August 13 2011 00:54 Aterons_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 00:26 iuvenalis wrote:
Fuck China. Motherfuckers eating cats, dogs, killing every animal, including Tiges Fuck Europe motherfuckers kill cows/pigs to eat them ... this is how some ppl from India/Arabia will look at you... is a cultural difference between the stuff we eat thats all... honestly i will try to get a bite of dog grill when i get there IF i get there ... that ofc if the local tell me is actually good <.<
Meh, dog is pretty generic, not gunna lie. You're better off trying alligator.
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Human is the most fucked up species on Earth.
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Uhh, chicken eggs? And cow milk? Face it, in essence they all employ animal slavery.
The argument to support western animal farming is the differentiation of slavery and torture. It is claimed that while animals are slaves, that because no torture is used it is humane to keep them in such conditions.
But this is blatantly contradictory, as torture cannot be differentiated from slavery. In essence, being the property of someone else is torture. Preventing action of the slave is an action of torture, just like an action of punishment is torture.
On August 12 2011 16:46 Sworn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote:
They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it. P Differences is the chickens are killed usually within a couple weeks not kept alive to be repeatedly harvested. Killing an animal and keeping one alive in extreme pain is very different.
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On August 13 2011 00:26 iuvenalis wrote:
Fuck China. Motherfuckers eating cats, dogs, killing every animal, including Tiges and torturing them as well.
How about fuck Japan too. Motherfuckers kill whales and sharks and shit.
Seriously tho, what is wrong with you. It's not even an issue relating to China, how about broadening your way of looking at things, maybe it's a problem with human beings in general? Cruelty to animals don't just happen in China.
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I think most people are missing the big point about this article. Its not about animal cruelty, its about the extent of emotional/rational thinking that animals can employ, the animal cruelty part of the article is merely the tipping point, in triggering the bear's reaction.
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The fundamental error of these anti-torture arguments here is that they misunderstand what torture is. Torture is action with the ends of hurting someone. Harvesting bile does not have this ends, its ends is profit. And neither has any type of animal husbandry torture as an ends, hence the argument for this kind of animal husbandry being torture is incorrect, as it is a red herring.
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On August 12 2011 14:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Lololol. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. Everytime you eat KFC you're supporting animal cruelty!
Don't come into these threads and shed tears of ignorance. You're part of the problem.
Come on man, I'm not a vegetarian or anything but just because I'm not actively standing up for animal rights doesn't mean that I'm not sickened by it. This is the kind of thing that actually needs to change; KFC is a fast food joint and this is animal torture. How do the two compare?
I eat meat and I'm not changing that, but just because I do doesn't mean that someone can go all high and mighty on me and people with similar views just because we do. I'm not allowed to be saddened by this because I enjoy a bucket of KFC chicken from time to time? That's broken logic. =/
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Reminded me of human centipede, excuse me while I go throwup.
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They compare because animal husbandry is slavery. And slavery is torture. The action of preventing someone from acting according to their desires is torture. Keeping animal in a free range or in a tight cage, both fundamentally employ slavery.
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A lot of people here that don't realize / aren't willing to admit that everyone's life in some way is pretty much evil. We're all here typing on computers that cost a good amount of money while people are starving to death, we spend money on ourselves for entertainment when we could use that money to save people.
Whether there's something incredibly wrong with that is up to people to decide. I personally don't want to devote my life to saving others but I realize that I'm making that choice. Many people consider themselves a "good person" and there's varying degrees of evil but in the end the vast majority of us put our own happiness before less fortunate people's survival.
Why does it matter? Because if you can't see how you yourself fall short while yelling at others to change you cannot see your own hypocrisy.
This is a pretty good example, while what is happening to these bears is terrible do you ever think about how meat used to be a luxury? How do you think meat became so widely available to developed countries for a relatively cheap price? The fact is many animals raised for mass production meat will be kept in ways that are basically torture and drive the animals insane.
At the same time if you buy meat that's raised humanely / organically you are spending a higher amount of money to get quality meat when there are starving people.
It's not like we HAVE to eat meat, it's not even cost efficient for the amount of resources it takes to get a pound of meat. You are willingly eating a relatively expensive food when there are people that can't even get gruel. That people think that isn't in some way evil is laughable.
You can still get angry, complain, be shocked or whatever but people should realize their own evil before calling others out on theirs.
And yes, I eat meat, I rarely do charity work and I sleep just fine like most everyone.
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animals do not carry the intelligence for suicide. the bears wear iron vests to stop them from killing themselves? thats true but the reason is more likely that they want to stop the pain so poke at the wound simply because it hurts rather than trying to kill themselves.
stuff like this makes me very sad, how people with intelligence as low as this can do this to animals is amazing. at times, it makes me think that idiots(literal sense) must be psychopaths if they can do it.
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This thread made me hug my dog.
There is nothing wrong with animals living in captivity, being raised for human consumption. What should be the case though is the animals should not be tortured while they live. At least I can eat meat with good conscience because animal rights are relatively highly regarded in Iceland.
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On August 13 2011 01:00 xarthaz wrote:Uhh, chicken eggs? And cow milk? Face it, in essence they all employ animal slavery. The argument to support western animal farming is the differentiation of slavery and torture. It is claimed that while animals are slaves, that because no torture is used it is humane to keep them in such conditions. But this is blatantly contradictory, as torture cannot be differentiated from slavery. In essence, being the property of someone else is torture. Preventing action of the slave is an action of torture, just like an action of punishment is torture. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:46 Sworn wrote:On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote:
They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it. P Differences is the chickens are killed usually within a couple weeks not kept alive to be repeatedly harvested. Killing an animal and keeping one alive in extreme pain is very different.
It depends on the degree. Sure, you can consider it "torture" to lock a human up in prison for life with some pretty shitty treatment. But compare that to putting him in a constant state of excruciating pain... completely different.
Difference is like being locked away in Azkaban and becoming miserable to deatheaters (but also growing more numb the longer you're there), and being locked away in Azkaban and being constantly subject to the Crucio curse... c'mon... what's worse here...
On August 13 2011 01:29 CptCutter wrote:
animals do not carry the intelligence for suicide. the bears wear iron vests to stop them from killing themselves? thats true but the reason is more likely that they want to stop the pain so poke at the wound simply because it hurts rather than trying to kill themselves.
stuff like this makes me very sad, how people with intelligence as low as this can do this to animals is amazing. at times, it makes me think that idiots(literal sense) must be psychopaths if they can do it.
Bullshit where's your evidence for this?
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Turk: "Her mama sat on her and then ate her."
JD: "Stupid nature."
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Travis, even if it has a thick skull, it doesn't mean it crack its own skull. A bear can weigh over 1.5k lbs, that kind of momentum being slugged along behind a bear going full speed could crush a car.
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Hmm that is pretty disturbing, but if thats how they roll then I respect that.
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On August 12 2011 19:24 StarBrift wrote:
Torturing animals for some superstitious vodoo shit that is clearly doesnt work in reality. The peoples of this world are so fucking stupid.
You understand that much of modern medicine comes from testing on animals. We wouldn't survive as well as we do now without subjecting animals to "torture".
Here's a couple points:
1. There's a difference between torture and animal testing.
2. If the story is true, it seems like animal cruelty to me more than medicine, but I don't know enough about the situation.
3. Animals are largely meant to be eaten in the wild, so the issue many vegetarians state they have with eating meat is actually an issue with the corporatization of food.
4. Bears are cuddly looking and middle-class folks with bleeding hearts want to care about something cute.
5. Considering most animals don't have the intelligence for analyzing their situation, I question the assumption a bear could commit suicide.
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On August 13 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:00 xarthaz wrote:Uhh, chicken eggs? And cow milk? Face it, in essence they all employ animal slavery. The argument to support western animal farming is the differentiation of slavery and torture. It is claimed that while animals are slaves, that because no torture is used it is humane to keep them in such conditions. But this is blatantly contradictory, as torture cannot be differentiated from slavery. In essence, being the property of someone else is torture. Preventing action of the slave is an action of torture, just like an action of punishment is torture. On August 12 2011 16:46 Sworn wrote:On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote:
They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it. P Differences is the chickens are killed usually within a couple weeks not kept alive to be repeatedly harvested. Killing an animal and keeping one alive in extreme pain is very different. It depends on the degree. Sure, you can consider it "torture" to lock a human up in prison for life with some pretty shitty treatment. But compare that to putting him in a constant state of excruciating pain... completely different. Difference is like being locked away in Azkaban and becoming miserable to deatheaters (but also growing more numb the longer you're there), and being locked away in Azkaban and being constantly subject to the Crucio curse... c'mon... what's worse here... Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:29 CptCutter wrote:
animals do not carry the intelligence for suicide. the bears wear iron vests to stop them from killing themselves? thats true but the reason is more likely that they want to stop the pain so poke at the wound simply because it hurts rather than trying to kill themselves.
stuff like this makes me very sad, how people with intelligence as low as this can do this to animals is amazing. at times, it makes me think that idiots(literal sense) must be psychopaths if they can do it. Bullshit where's your evidence for this?
evidence for what? i had multiple points, at least say which one...
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On August 13 2011 01:46 CptCutter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 13 2011 01:00 xarthaz wrote:Uhh, chicken eggs? And cow milk? Face it, in essence they all employ animal slavery. The argument to support western animal farming is the differentiation of slavery and torture. It is claimed that while animals are slaves, that because no torture is used it is humane to keep them in such conditions. But this is blatantly contradictory, as torture cannot be differentiated from slavery. In essence, being the property of someone else is torture. Preventing action of the slave is an action of torture, just like an action of punishment is torture. On August 12 2011 16:46 Sworn wrote:On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote:
They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it. P Differences is the chickens are killed usually within a couple weeks not kept alive to be repeatedly harvested. Killing an animal and keeping one alive in extreme pain is very different. It depends on the degree. Sure, you can consider it "torture" to lock a human up in prison for life with some pretty shitty treatment. But compare that to putting him in a constant state of excruciating pain... completely different. Difference is like being locked away in Azkaban and becoming miserable to deatheaters (but also growing more numb the longer you're there), and being locked away in Azkaban and being constantly subject to the Crucio curse... c'mon... what's worse here... On August 13 2011 01:29 CptCutter wrote:
animals do not carry the intelligence for suicide. the bears wear iron vests to stop them from killing themselves? thats true but the reason is more likely that they want to stop the pain so poke at the wound simply because it hurts rather than trying to kill themselves.
stuff like this makes me very sad, how people with intelligence as low as this can do this to animals is amazing. at times, it makes me think that idiots(literal sense) must be psychopaths if they can do it. Bullshit where's your evidence for this? evidence for what? i had multiple points, at least say which one...
The bolded part? :o
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The fact that bears and other animals of reasonable conciousness are kept in this kind of captivity, is disgraceful, however you seem to jump to unwarranted conclusions regarding the intent of this bear.
I find it more likely that the bear became crazy due to the torture it received and when it heard its cub's scream and instinctively broke lose and went to its aid, where it, due to mental issues, accidentally killed the cub and then ran into the wall.
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