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Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 24
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
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OhMyGawd
United States264 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:41 Rebornlife wrote: This is what happens in a communist state. With no public opinion this kind of cruelty won't be stopped. Sure animals such as chickens and cows go through some tough times when they are being killed for food, but nothing like this. Fucking disgusting people. You should learn about factory farming. It has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with capitalism. They're trying to produce the stuff at the lowest costs, which generally involves not paying for stuff to improve 'living' conditions. As far as this specific bear, I find it very unlikely this was a conscious decision based on mercy or suicide. It was a panicked and confused bear trying to save it's cub and itself - and getting killed in the process. Animals do stupid stuff like that all the time. | ||
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OhMyGawd
United States264 Posts
That worked, thankyou! | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On August 13 2011 01:34 FabledIntegral wrote: This is a consequentialist argument against the concept of slavery being torture. Consequentialism is irrelevant when it comes to action in the present, hence it is unusable as a moral guide.It depends on the degree. Sure, you can consider it "torture" to lock a human up in prison for life with some pretty shitty treatment. But compare that to putting him in a constant state of excruciating pain... completely different. Difference is like being locked away in Azkaban and becoming miserable to deatheaters (but also growing more numb the longer you're there), and being locked away in Azkaban and being constantly subject to the Crucio curse... c'mon... what's worse here... Bullshit where's your evidence for this? | ||
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
I don't understand how these people live with themselves, seriously.. heartless bastards. This is so fucked up. I hate these people and if there was any justice I really hope they get what they deserve. Fuck their culture if they do stuff like this. Its not an excuse to commit animal cruelty. china, what a suprise This is really saddening to hear. Then again, the Chinese can do w/e the fuck they want in their turf. Not like their government or anyone would care to intervene. Its china.. doesn't surprise me one bit Chinese have no respect for animals at all, that's pretty much a fact... hell they hardly have any respect for human life. This is what happens in a communist state...Fucking disgusting people. SERIOUSLY? If you replaced China/Chinese with South Korea(n) would there not be bans or warnings? The fact that the word China exists in the thread's title automatically means that people will judge and base their replies on previous sentiments(usually bad) towards China and the Chinese people. As I've said before, it's not just China doing this. | ||
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muse5187
1125 Posts
The sky spends an awful lot of time being blue, therefor it is blue. It doesn't matter what makes it blue, it is fucking blue. | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:48 Epithet wrote: A collection of posts from pages 15-24 SERIOUSLY? If you replaced China/Chinese with South Korea(n) would there not be bans or warnings? The fact that the word China exists in the thread's title automatically means that people will judge and base their replies on previous sentiments(usually bad) towards China and the Chinese people. As I've said before, it's not just China doing this. The"funny"thing is, that this is apparently happening in South-Korea and other countries of Asia too. e.nvm, found it.. + Show Spoiler + Where does bear farming occur? Bear farming occurs largely in China, Vietnam and Korea. In 2005, Vietnam agreed to phase out their bear farms. http://www.endbearfarming.org/en/faq.html | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:44 Myles wrote: You should learn about factory farming. It has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with capitalism. They're trying to produce the stuff at the lowest costs, which generally involves not paying for stuff to improve 'living' conditions. As far as this specific bear, I find it very unlikely this was a conscious decision based on mercy or suicide. It was a panicked and confused bear trying to save it's cub and itself - and getting killed in the process. Animals do stupid stuff like that all the time. But what I'm saying is under communism this factory farming can thrive without any subjection. All the government cares about is money, and so they do whatever they want to make the most profits. They don't have the checks and balances that come with capitalism, because in China the public has no power. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
anyways, we are also talking about an animal that eats its young if unfit to live, and also have a very short temper. It seems more likely that the bear lost its temper and killed its cub and then managed to accidently kill itself. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:45 xarthaz wrote: This is a consequentialist argument against the concept of slavery being torture. Consequentialism is irrelevant when it comes to action in the present, hence it is unusable as a moral guide. I see, it wasn't exactly addressing your point. Although I don't buy your argument that being the property of something else constitutes torture with animals. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:51 Rebornlife wrote: But what I'm saying is under communism this factory farming can thrive without any subjection. All the government cares about is money, and so they do whatever they want to make the most profits. They don't have the checks and balances that come with capitalism, because in China the public has no power. And even then, alternatives to bear bile have been taking root. Still, this is really disgusting and saddening. But wow, for the mother bear to have that kind of intelligent grasp of the situation is really impressive. Shows how much we DON'T know. | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:48 Epithet wrote: A collection of posts from pages 15-24 SERIOUSLY? If you replaced China/Chinese with South Korea(n) would there not be bans or warnings? The fact that the word China exists in the thread's title automatically means that people will judge and base their replies on previous sentiments(usually bad) towards China and the Chinese people. As I've said before, it's not just China doing this. Would you please give me an example of a country that does something this cruel? More specifically, one that does so openly? Maybe something like this happens in the U.S or Australia, etc. But when the public finds out about these kind of things they don't let it fly. But in China the government and many of the people couldn't give a flying fuck. | ||
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InsaniaK
Sweden120 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lololol. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. Everytime you eat KFC you're supporting animal cruelty! Don't come into these threads and shed tears of ignorance. You're part of the problem. Bears kill themselves because of KFC?! Oh shi- | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 13 2011 02:51 Rebornlife wrote: But what I'm saying is under communism this factory farming can thrive without any subjection. All the government cares about is money, and so they do whatever they want to make the most profits. They don't have the checks and balances that come with capitalism, because in China the public has no power. Capitalism doesn't really have checks and balances... that's called regulation, which is seen as anti-capitalist... | ||
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kittensrcute
United States617 Posts
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
Many TCM practitioners have denounced the use of bear bile in their treatment as there are cheaper herbs and synthetics that can be used in its place. Pieces of god damn shit.I won't say more but I can get pretty angry over this. I hope the farm owners burn in hell. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
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