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On August 02 2011 04:53 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 04:51 krbz wrote:On August 02 2011 04:41 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 02 2011 04:40 krbz wrote:
It is normal not to be gay, hence what you perceived as a lack of gay representation.
Gay people are out numbered by straight people for a reason.
Gay couples serve no purpose in keeping our species alive. I'm not gay myself, but that's a pretty horrible way to see things. There's a lot more you can contribute to society and the human race than breeding... What is every animals main goal in life? To live long enough to reproduce. So their species doesn't die out. That is the nature of this world. This is not horrible in any sense. It is merely normal. What you were built to do. And gay animals exist through out the world, its actually more normal than you would think. Humans have moved beyond needing survival of the fittest anyway, we make the world how we want it to be. Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro with adoption, sarrogacy and IV gay couples can pass on their genes and have children of their own..... please take your narrow minded views elsewhere
Are you suggesting that humans have moved past the need to do what they were built to do?
Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro
If our whole population were to turn gay for the rest of their lives, our species would not survive.
So you want to tell me that our prevalence in this world has nothing to do with heterosexual couples? You are ill informed.
adoption, sarrogacy
You arent having children. You are giving your sperm to some random woman to birth only one of the partners children. Half one of you, half random woman you care nothing about.
Thats seems normal to you? That would indeed be a very strange world if that were the norm. Almost science-fiction esque.
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On August 02 2011 05:11 Tevo wrote:
Please don't take this an attack on you or what you're doing, but here goes:
I feel like a lot the gay people nowadays are starting to feel like homosexuality should be integrated into everything. You get gay gamers, gay soccer players, gay hospitality workers and what not. I don't see why it's so important to seperate yourselves, and the same goes for gaming really. I don't care if one of my practice partners/clan mates is gay or hetero. Same thing goes for singleplayer games, like others have pointed out, there aren't many OVERLY heterosexual game characters either. For example you wouldn't know if the dude you're playing in Call of Duty is gay, because it just isn't referenced. And it doesn't need to be, unless it's important for the story - although there are exceptions such as Dragon Age in which you could get with a NPC from the same sex...
I agree with this, I think pushing for more gay "representation" in media will just lead to stereotypes which is what we want to avoid. Why would you want there to be any difference between gay characters and straight characters? If the story involves romance then sure (a lot of companies do this now anyways), but otherwise it shouldn't matter.
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And thread degenerates into an argument about the merits of homosexuality by page 4... GG folks, I'm out.
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On August 02 2011 03:29 Magenta wrote:
Would it diffucult to admitt that you are gay say when playing online or in gamersociety? Would such person be treated differently?
Do we need to change they way we portrait norms in videogames? Does it affect how we perceive reality?
What kind of norms and values are advocated in games?
Quite honestly I think that there is a lot of discomfort that homosexuals create among gamers, many of them being young and lacking empathy or understanding of the gay rights struggle. I mean really, who hasn't been called a fag 100 times after beating some dumbass? This would not make me comfortable expressing myself as gay, if I was, I don't think. (Hard to imagine what I would think if I was someone else sometimes) The passionate defense of fag and rape as part of "gamer culture" are symptomatic of this lack of empathy.
The attempt to include the option of acting as a gay protagonist has been in many games has created very shallow romantic options (ie Fable 3 (2?)) but characters that are presented as gay are lacking development or stereotypical while being very rare anyways. While I would not claim to know how much this fantasy affects people's reality, I would have trouble imagining the positive impact. It seems to fit with the "don't flaunt it" mentality.
There is a lot of veiled hostility in general. Actions and words that drip with vitriol and "get back in the closet mentality". See this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250266
Edit: After reading teh posts written while I was writing I will put my opinion a bit stronger; many gamers are homophobic children and norms in video games cater to this.
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Well, go back and tell the gay community in Sweden that no problems exists and no one really cares about gays and gaming.
Tell them to stop worrying and create artificial issues, when reality is there are none.
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On August 02 2011 05:21 krbz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 04:53 emythrel wrote:On August 02 2011 04:51 krbz wrote:On August 02 2011 04:41 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 02 2011 04:40 krbz wrote:
It is normal not to be gay, hence what you perceived as a lack of gay representation.
Gay people are out numbered by straight people for a reason.
Gay couples serve no purpose in keeping our species alive. I'm not gay myself, but that's a pretty horrible way to see things. There's a lot more you can contribute to society and the human race than breeding... What is every animals main goal in life? To live long enough to reproduce. So their species doesn't die out. That is the nature of this world. This is not horrible in any sense. It is merely normal. What you were built to do. And gay animals exist through out the world, its actually more normal than you would think. Humans have moved beyond needing survival of the fittest anyway, we make the world how we want it to be. Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro with adoption, sarrogacy and IV gay couples can pass on their genes and have children of their own..... please take your narrow minded views elsewhere Are you suggesting that humans have moved past the need to do what they were built to do? Show nested quote +Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro If our whole population were to turn gay for the rest of their lives, our species would not survive. So you want to tell me that our prevalence in this world has nothing to do with heterosexual couples? You are ill informed. You arent having children. You are giving your sperm to some random woman to birth only one of the partners children. Half one of you, half random woman you care nothing about. Thats seems normal to you? That would indeed be a very strange world if that were the norm. Almost science-fiction esque.
I'd say we all live to find our own happiness in life. For some people, that's pumping out a fuckton of kids. For some couples, even heterosexual couples, they choose not to have kids at all. Some decide to have kids too late and choose to adopt a child instead of spreading their own genetic goo through space and time. If some people choose to be gay and not provide children, I don't see how that's any different than a heterosexual couple that doesn't have kids. Particularly in the adoption case.
Are you saying we're all obligated to the species to get our fuck on and rear at, absolute minimum, two kids each before we kick the bucket (in order to keep population levels up)?
As for the last comment, I mean shit, welcome to a world of advancing technology? Is the state of technology the exact same today as it was when you were born? What bubble have you been living in?
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Why didn't Jim Raynor ever hook up with Kerrigan, but seems to have a strangely close relationship with a battlecruiser commander who's afraid of women (I forget his name). I think there's representation there.
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To answer the OP's question.
You gain nothing except sparking arguments on forums if there should be more/less/no gay characters in games.
Unless someone is planning on using video games to teach kids about life it's not beneficial. Most kids enjoy killing everyone in site, if there's an entire gay town they can slaughter that just gives them the wrong idea.
the same applies if their character is gay and they kill all straight characters.
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On August 02 2011 05:21 krbz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 04:53 emythrel wrote:On August 02 2011 04:51 krbz wrote:On August 02 2011 04:41 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 02 2011 04:40 krbz wrote:
It is normal not to be gay, hence what you perceived as a lack of gay representation.
Gay people are out numbered by straight people for a reason.
Gay couples serve no purpose in keeping our species alive. I'm not gay myself, but that's a pretty horrible way to see things. There's a lot more you can contribute to society and the human race than breeding... What is every animals main goal in life? To live long enough to reproduce. So their species doesn't die out. That is the nature of this world. This is not horrible in any sense. It is merely normal. What you were built to do. And gay animals exist through out the world, its actually more normal than you would think. Humans have moved beyond needing survival of the fittest anyway, we make the world how we want it to be. Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro with adoption, sarrogacy and IV gay couples can pass on their genes and have children of their own..... please take your narrow minded views elsewhere Are you suggesting that humans have moved past the need to do what they were built to do? Show nested quote +Humans aren't going anywhere and it has nothing to do with the fact that we are mainly hetro If our whole population were to turn gay for the rest of their lives, our species would not survive. So you want to tell me that our prevalence in this world has nothing to do with heterosexual couples? You are ill informed. You arent having children. You are giving your sperm to some random woman to birth only one of the partners children. Half one of you, half random woman you care nothing about. Thats seems normal to you? That would indeed be a very strange world if that were the norm. Almost science-fiction esque.
Well you dont need to have sex to make children, so actually a society of 100% gay people could easily survive 
You even said it yourself. Being gay is part of human nature. Besides, if the goal of the human race is to reproduce then there is more to it than having children. Saving lives and curing diseases has as much to do with it, probably even more. So yea your argument doesnt really work.
Getting way off topic though
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Oh lord...threads like this make me ashamed of being gay.
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Since no one mentioned it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829
Probably be a better place to ask if you haven't already done so.
We have people like Mora that many people accept and if you follow the discussions following gay marriage and what not on these forums, you'd know our community welcomes them with open arms.
I find it rather amusing that the mainstream gaming developers always focus on silly stereotypes whether it be queers, blacks, Hispanics, etc. It would be nice if they didn't embrace these gender and other stereotypical character types for once.
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How do you know Mario, Luigi, Samus, Bowser, the Koopas, any of the fire emblem characters, any character who does not have sex in game for that matter, isn't gay?
Maybe they all are, and heteros are underrepresented?
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On August 02 2011 05:31 Shiragaku wrote:
Oh lord...threads like this make me ashamed of being gay.
Why?
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On August 02 2011 05:32 StarStruck wrote:Since no one mentioned it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147829Probably be a better place to ask if you haven't already done so. We have people like Mora that many people accept and if you follow the discussions following gay marriage and what not on these forums, you'd know our community welcomes them with open arms. I find it rather amusing that the mainstream gaming developers always focus on silly stereotypes whether it be queers, blacks, Hispanics, etc. It would be nice if they didn't embrace these gender and other stereotypical character types for once.
what are u smoking. it was mentioned twice on the first page..
On August 02 2011 05:33 Magenta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 05:31 Shiragaku wrote:
Oh lord...threads like this make me ashamed of being gay. Why?
probably because he feels like you're making a fool of yourself as you pretend to represent gay esporters... why do you have to ask why?
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On August 02 2011 04:56 BlackFlag wrote:Well, in bioware RPG's you have gay characters (who are able to do a romance with you). At least mass effect and dragon age. At the moment I'm not sure if it's possible in BG2. Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 04:51 krbz wrote:On August 02 2011 04:41 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 02 2011 04:40 krbz wrote:
It is normal not to be gay, hence what you perceived as a lack of gay representation.
Gay people are out numbered by straight people for a reason.
Gay couples serve no purpose in keeping our species alive. I'm not gay myself, but that's a pretty horrible way to see things. There's a lot more you can contribute to society and the human race than breeding... What is every animals main goal in life? To live long enough to reproduce. So their species doesn't die out. That is the nature of this world. This is not horrible in any sense. It is merely normal. What you were built to do. you realize homosexuality also happens and occurs in the animal world? Your "thesis" is disproven. Also, making minorities visible in media is actually a big part of real acceptance.
Gay animals serve no purpose.
Two female chimpanzees rubbing their vaginas together proves nothing except that they wanted to feel good at that time. If a male chimp wanted to mate with one of them, I'm pretty sure neither would not disapprove.
To be homosexual means that you will only have sex with someone of your same gender.
There have been no documented cases of this. Only bisexuality.
A black minority does not equal a gay minority.
It is perfectly normal to be black.
It is not normal to be gay.
Homosexuality is not equally as correct as heterosexuality. They should not be portrayed as such.
If you have studied the anatomy of a penis and a vagina, even remotely, they are clearly made for each other.
As for a mouth or an anus, they are not made to be used sexually. Anal cavities dont even produce lubrication. CLEARLY it is not meant to have a penis in it.
Therefore they are not the same as having actual sex with a penis and vagina.
Penis+Anus is not an equally valid sexual choice as Penis+Vagina.
This is not to say that anal sex cannot be pleasurable. I am only stating that any form of homosexual sex is on the same level as oral sex or the like. You are using two parts that are not made for each other.
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probably because he feels like you're making a fool of yourself as you pretend to represent gay esporters... why do you have to ask why?[/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that im making a fool of myself? I am asking questions that I was given by one of the major organisations for the gay community in Sweden. Its also a feminist forum so that would be my part also, being a girl and a feminist.
I still feel that is a legimit question that needs to be adressed. Maybe you dont feel it but other people do. No need to be rude just cuz you dont agree.
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On August 02 2011 05:41 krbz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 04:56 BlackFlag wrote:Well, in bioware RPG's you have gay characters (who are able to do a romance with you). At least mass effect and dragon age. At the moment I'm not sure if it's possible in BG2. On August 02 2011 04:51 krbz wrote:On August 02 2011 04:41 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 02 2011 04:40 krbz wrote:
It is normal not to be gay, hence what you perceived as a lack of gay representation.
Gay people are out numbered by straight people for a reason.
Gay couples serve no purpose in keeping our species alive. I'm not gay myself, but that's a pretty horrible way to see things. There's a lot more you can contribute to society and the human race than breeding... What is every animals main goal in life? To live long enough to reproduce. So their species doesn't die out. That is the nature of this world. This is not horrible in any sense. It is merely normal. What you were built to do. you realize homosexuality also happens and occurs in the animal world? Your "thesis" is disproven. Also, making minorities visible in media is actually a big part of real acceptance. Gay animals serve no purpose. Two female chimpanzees rubbing their vaginas together proves nothing except that they wanted to feel good at that time. If a male chimp wanted to mate with one of them, I'm pretty sure neither would not disapprove. To be homosexual means that you will only have sex with someone of your same gender. There have been no documented cases of this. Only bisexuality. A black minority does not equal a gay minority. It is perfectly normal to be black. It is not normal to be gay. Homosexuality is not equally as correct as heterosexuality. They should not be portrayed as such. If you have studied the anatomy of a penis and a vagina, even remotely, they are clearly made for each other. As for a mouth or an anus, they are not made to be used sexually. Anal cavities dont even produce lubrication. CLEARLY it is not meant to have a penis in it. Therefore they are not the same as having actual sex with a penis and vagina. Penis+Anus is not an equally valid sexual choice as Penis+Vagina. This is not to say that anal sex cannot be pleasurable. I am only stating that any form of homosexual sex is on the same level as oral sex or the like. You are using two parts that are not made for each other.
I believe that this guy is probably f5ing like hell right now. We have all heard this argument, no need to beat a dead horse.
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Basically, every third person shooter is gay heaven!
Watching your male character's ass for 8+ hours should give you an idea.
For examples you should also look at japanese games. Their male heroes are mostly overly beautiful guys without facial hair and an almost female face.
Examples?
Nero / Devil May Cry
Cloud ff7
Squall ff8
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I am pretty indifferent about gay protagonists in games. Maybe Master chief is gay? Maybe he isn't. I don't care and I don't have to know.
I think the amount of men/woman/gays/straights etc. in films movies or other media should have NO value or meaning whatsoever. The only thing that sort of sentiment accomplishes is forcing companies to include minorities into their media which is not a good thing imo.
Devolopers and producers are free to include minorities into their media and that is what matters. I don't think the amount of minorities represented in games influences our views on those minorities. It's probably the other way around (or rather companies try to guess our views and play safe to get the most sales and not offend anyone).
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