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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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bramapanzer
83 Posts
About gays in games: I really don't see the big deal. Let me look at my phone and see which games I have: Angry birds - Sexually ambiguous Tower defense - Sexually ambiguous Cribbage - Sexually ambiguous Poker - Sexually ambiguous Icacia3 - saving princess, but sexually ambiguous PC games SC2 - sexually ambiguous gameplay, hetero main char with all other chars ambiguous LoL - most chars sexually ambiguous, have to admit, haven't read all the lore Counter-Strike - sexually ambiguous Assassins Cred - sexually ambiguous Diablo 2 - sexually ambiguous Supreme Commander 2 - sexually ambiguous Are we seeing a pattern here? Most games, due to being marketed mainly for a adolescent-child audience, don't really include much references to sex whatsoever. I can see something like Duke Nukem getting on your nerves, but that's what that game is supposed to do. It's a terrible game that gets sales through controversy. I, honestly, think you are making much ado about nothing here. There are very few games where the main character is OVERTLY hetero, and as pointed out earlier in the thread, those that are now usually offer a "gay path" of some sort. The only genre that this even applies to is RPGs, and sadly most East Asian RPGs will continue to be overtly hetero due to the shame involved in homosexual behavior in said societies. | ||
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tednoob
Sweden28 Posts
How does this affect the way we look at queers etc? Does it affect us at all? Maybe roles like "Mr. Shanks" in Borderlands - The secret armory of general knoxx. Other than that I personally don't care for a characters sexual preferences, I prefer there is none at all, but either is fine. Would it diffucult to admitt that you are gay say when playing online or in gamersociety? Would such person be treated differently? How would you react if a good progamer came out as gay? I'm not gay myself, so I cannot answer the first part. However, I do not care that someone is gay, but I might take offence to some gay behaviour. Say if Day[9] suddenly would wear loads of glitter, and spend large portions of his show talking about make up and what boys he liked and in other ways behave like a six year old girl, then I might stop watching the show. The only time I would take direct offence if someone is gay is if they were hitting on me, and not stopping when asked. Do we need to change they way we portrait norms in videogames? Does it affect how we perceive reality? Video games has nothing to do with reality. There is no need in my eyes to change any norms present today, video games are about being awesome. Else, it would be more important to have more fat protagonists than more gay ones. As someone said earlier, if it weaves in a new dimension in the story telling I like it, otherwise, it is just unnecessary. What kind of norms and values are advocated in games? It depends on the genre of games. Most often in a situation where there are more pressing things to discuss than equal rights for all genders, survival tends to take priority, and the rest becomes trivial issues not worth mentioning. Maybe priority is the most valued in modern games, and in all else, like the Sims, everything is possible. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:31 Dwelf wrote: This only becomes a problem once you name it a problem. I've never thought about this before this post and wont care even a little bit if any progamer was gay or not. This completely. | ||
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greendestiny
Bosnia-Herzegovina114 Posts
On August 02 2011 04:05 Magenta wrote: which would be really awkward, since Tassardar is dead.... Haha, yeah, necrophiliacs are totally underrepresented in video games! :-) Edit: On topic, I think that any gamer in limelight 'coming out' would just make things really really awkward and wouldn't do anything to help people accept him or her. It's not the best way to do it, is all I can say. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:41 krbz wrote: Gay animals serve no purpose. Two female chimpanzees rubbing their vaginas together proves nothing except that they wanted to feel good at that time. If a male chimp wanted to mate with one of them, I'm pretty sure neither would not disapprove. To be homosexual means that you will only have sex with someone of your same gender. There have been no documented cases of this. Only bisexuality. A black minority does not equal a gay minority. It is perfectly normal to be black. It is not normal to be gay. Homosexuality is not equally as correct as heterosexuality. They should not be portrayed as such. If you have studied the anatomy of a penis and a vagina, even remotely, they are clearly made for each other. As for a mouth or an anus, they are not made to be used sexually. Anal cavities dont even produce lubrication. CLEARLY it is not meant to have a penis in it. Therefore they are not the same as having actual sex with a penis and vagina. Penis+Anus is not an equally valid sexual choice as Penis+Vagina. This is not to say that anal sex cannot be pleasurable. I am only stating that any form of homosexual sex is on the same level as oral sex or the like. You are using two parts that are not made for each other. Actually there are tonnes of examples in nature where animals refuse to have sex with the opposite sex. They're not bisexual, they're full out homosexual. I saw a show about it on nature channel or discovery or something like that.. It was pretty interesting. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:21 krbz wrote: Are you suggesting that humans have moved past the need to do what they were built to do? Yes, that is precisely what's being suggested. As we've evolved as a species we've evolved past the need for every individual to breed in order to maintain the species. This is why it's fine for people to be homosexual and just as fine for many heterosexual couples to refrain from having children. If anything, given the average human lifespan and consumption of resources, if people existed on this earth just to "do what they were built to do" as you refer to it, it would actually be a lot more problematic for the species overall at this point. If our whole population were to turn gay for the rest of their lives, our species would not survive. Obviously not. Is anyone here suggesting that it would? Nobody here is suggesting that everyone turn gay for the rest of their lives. They are just pointing out that there's more than enough reproduction going on to secure our future. We don't need to sit around and make silly arguments for some hypothetical situation where all of humanity goes gay or the survival of our species is somehow jeopardized by a lack of people having babies. So you want to tell me that our prevalence in this world has nothing to do with heterosexual couples? You are ill informed. Our existence, of course, is secured by people having children, but our prevalence in this world is due to many other factors as well. It's not like we're no most prolific species in the world as far as reproduction goes. Our success as a race is largely due to our ability to adapt to our environment and create technology to increase our standard of life. Weapons, shelter, medicine, etc. You can't just boil it all down to a single factor. Something to consider, every animal that exists today can reproduce, many with much more efficiency than us. Why is it that they haven't had the same type of success that we have? Clearly there's a lot more contributing to our position in the world than just reproduction, which means that there are a lot more ways for people to legitimately contribute to the species and society beyond it. You arent having children. You are giving your sperm to some random woman to birth only one of the partners children. Half one of you, half random woman you care nothing about. Thats seems normal to you? That would indeed be a very strange world if that were the norm. Almost science-fiction esque. So this is what it pretty much comes down to for you. Your own discomfort with the idea that nuclear family as we know it today may become obsolete due to our ever advancing capabilities as a species. Let me pose these questions for you. How do you know that it's normal to have a family like that? What does "normal" even mean to you in that context? Is it because those are the values you were brought up on? What about single parents today? It's pretty clear that there's enough children growing up in the world without one of the two parents to care about or who care for them. Is this still abnormal to you despite how common it is? You seem to continually fall back on some sort of idea about what's "normal" or what "we were built to do" as if our species had some sort of intrinsic purpose. What you're not realizing is that (unless you're religious) animals don't exist to reproduce. They exist BECAUSE they reproduce. Religious views aside, there's no deeper purpose in our existence be it the proliferation of our species or preservation of it. We're the ones that assign purpose to ourselves only because we're capable of doing so. Whether that be in the form of preserving "traditional" values that we learned growing up or shedding those to accept some "science-fiction esque" change, who's to say which is right and what we ought to do? | ||
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bramapanzer
83 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On August 02 2011 05:50 greendestiny wrote: Haha, yeah, necrophiliacs are totally underrepresented in video games! :-) Edit: On topic, I think that any gamer in limelight 'coming out' would just make things really really awkward and wouldn't do anything to help people accept him or her. It's not the best way to do it, is all I can say. I disagree. Remember Gareth Thomas? There was a whole media circus on him and with modern day media airing shows like Glee which encourages people to accept homosexuality (whatever is on TV must be okay, right?) I think now would not be a bad time to come out. But I do not know if it will have that big of an effect on TL since most of us are very liberal when it comes to sexuality. | ||
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Nudelfisk
Sweden104 Posts
a small difference is that story-driven games offer more interaction with what concerns the plot. i do like it when the option exists to be homosexual in a game as i think it adds a small nuance to the game and i see no reason not to have it there. i was a bit flustered when anders came on to me in DA2, lol, and at first i was like "wtf". then i thought about it a bit and was like "cool". there should be more of that, it's smth that could happen irl (fantasy setting aside) and the fact that i got caught so off-guard by it kind of let me know that man, i have some serious prejudice when it comes to male protagonists... the main difference between gaming and other types of media would, in my mind, be that gaming generally involves more communication between the users, like, when playing starcraft or wow or whatever and this aspect i think is separate. i for one used to call ppl, units and strategies gay and fag alot when i lost to smth stupid in wc3 for example, until i matured and stopped using those terms as insults in both games and irl. i think that yeah, communication in a video game much like communication anywhere else goes along with a set of preconceptions about sexuality for one but i think i brought my real life social constructs with me and not the other way around. | ||
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Marsupian
Netherlands455 Posts
For me it doesn't effect my look on gays at all. Would it diffucult to admitt that you are gay say when playing online or in gamersociety? Would such person be treated differently? How would you react if a good progamer came out as gay? There are sadly always trolls and haters on the internet so I wouldn't "admit" or rather tell others I don't know personally that I am gay. I also see no reason to do so and I wouldn't mind this at all. Would it be difficult to admit you are gay in real life society? I guess it would be and it won't be any different in a gaming society but I don't see what games have to do with this. Do we need to change they way we portrait norms in videogames? Does it affect how we perceive reality? No, the way norms are portrait in media for entertainment purposes doesn't effect how we perceive reality so no need to. Developers should be free to portrait norms how they want to. What kind of norms and values are advocated in games? It differs from game to game and it doesn't matter one little tiny bit. There is also a difference between portraying norms and "advocating" norms. Games don't do the latter, politics, religion, "news" media and the public tend to be responsible for that. | ||
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Dee-Kej
Sweden191 Posts
On August 02 2011 03:29 Magenta wrote:Anyone in Stockholm be sure to show up! Kulturhuset på onsdag 14.15. I'll try to be there! ^^ | ||
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
Honestly, sexuality is irrelevant in Starcraft. I don't see zealots having gay relationships, nor do I see marines making out with medivac pilots. You know why? Because it's completely unrelated to the game we're playing. Sexuality can be discussed for games that have sexuality as a topic. For SCII, it's not that relevant. The Campaign is minor, and extremely few people care about it, nor is it a part of "e-sports" in any way. | ||
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uzyszkodnik
Poland64 Posts
are you people really so empty to find that stuff so much important? | ||
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DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
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SpearWrit
United States300 Posts
On wendsday in going to be attending at a panel discussion at Nerd pride (1337 festival) and talk about norms videogames. I work as a esportsreporter for several Nerd mediachannnels and i am kind of going to represent gaming, especially esports. So what i would like your opinion on is: There are very few nerdy characters in videogames, compared to the socially adjusted ones, and also quite few geeky characters. However there are a lot of nerdy and geeky games out there and they are not represented in any way. How does this affect the way we look at nerds etc? Does it affect us at all? Does if affect how WANTS to play, since they might feel uninvited and excluded? Would it diffucult to admitt that you are a nerd say when playing online or in gamersociety? Would such person be treated differently? How would you react if a good progamer came out as being a nerd? Do we need to change they way we portrait norms in videogames? Does it affect how we perceive reality? What kind of norms and values are advocated in games? id like to point out that the questions are not necessary representations of MY thought, but the questions i was asked to think and analyse about. The nerd comunity in 4chan however does think it is important enought to discuss. Thx for every answer ^^ Anyone in the cyberspace be sure to show up! MLG Anaheim, 14.15. | ||
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BadWolf0
United States300 Posts
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Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 02 2011 06:09 BadWolf0 wrote: This exact thread but for "blacks in games" just got closed... That's probably because that thread was clearly a troll. And for those that prefer to stay on topic, my apologies for the wall of off-topic text. There's only so much obsolete, stone-age mindset I can stomach on a given day. | ||
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Magenta
Sweden113 Posts
On August 02 2011 06:09 BadWolf0 wrote: This exact thread but for "blacks in games" just got closed... it was a troll-thread | ||
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