EPTSure there will always be idiots but the whole manifesto appeared scarier at first than it really is I think.
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
Sure there will always be idiots but the whole manifesto appeared scarier at first than it really is I think. | ||
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reisada
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Techno
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On July 24 2011 08:28 MasterFischer wrote: What I'm getting at is... This person, should not be considered a human being, he must not have the pleasure of being compared to the homo sapiens speciies that you and I come from. You realize this is the same train of thought that lead to his killings? This is the same vein of evil from whence these murders came. He labelled a certain group of people the same way you label him. No human should ever label another human this way. | ||
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cellblock
Sweden206 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Im lacking the words to describe what that.. actually..is | ||
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:12 nvs. wrote: I'm starting to worry about so many people reading his thoughts. If 50K people read it and even 5 people are affected by it in the way that he hopes, that can quickly snowball into something extremely hard to control. instead of destroying hate speech.... why not foster a society where hate speech falls on deaf ears? | ||
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CCow
Germany335 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote: the only real crazy part about this manifesto is the fact, that he killed 90 people to ''promote'' it. Im lacking the words to describe what that.. actually..is I'm really not so sure about all this manifest thing. There are quite some passages that are... not very apealing, when you really read it as a manual or recruiting tool. Maybe it would be good to have another thread about the manifest anyway? I mean it is 1500 pages and really grotesque to say the least. I guess there would be several things worthy a discussion in there... But w/e, dunno really. xd | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:55 stokes17 wrote: instead of destroying hate speech.... why not foster a society where hate speech falls on deaf ears? Good in theory, but probably unattainable in practice. Plus I didn't say we should 'destroy' anything.  | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:58 nvs. wrote: Good in theory, but probably unattainable in practice. Plus I didn't say we should 'destroy' anything. sorry seemed implied. Is it really that unattainable to have a society where we don't hate? Isn't that what they said about democracy? maybe I have too much faith in humanity :-/ | ||
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:41 Techno wrote: You realize this is the same train of thought that lead to his killings? This is the same vein of evil from whence these murders came. He labelled a certain group of people the same way you label him. No human should ever label another human this way. Do you know what I find the most scary? This he IS a human being, just like us. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:05 Undrass wrote: Do you know what I find the most scary? This he IS a human being, just like us. That's the part that makes me saddest; knowing that he is a person just like me who actually felt compelled to do such atrocities. | ||
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CCow
Germany335 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:01 Chilling5pr33 wrote: I dont see anything good coming from reading nor from discussing a manifest of a mass murder. In a way it just completes his plan - and i dont fullfill what terrorists want me to do... Still im damn interested Read the thing, it really isn't any sort of PR-flyer. It's completely randomly assembled, it seems. Quite some stuff in there really weird. I really doubt anyone here on the forums would catch any interest at all in it. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:11 CCow wrote: Read the thing, it really isn't any sort of PR-flyer. It's completely randomly assembled, it seems. Quite some stuff in there really weird. I really doubt anyone here on the forums would catch any interest at all in it. Well thats nothing i doubt - still its more like a moral dessition not to read it... This counts for this, as well as van-helsing or Mein Kampf... I just dont want to read those books even if im curious about whats in it... | ||
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PerkyPenguin
United States99 Posts
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short
Sweden148 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:15 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Well thats nothing i doubt - still its more like a moral dessition not to read it... This counts for this, as well as van-helsing or Mein Kampf... I just dont want to read those books even if im curious about whats in it... I don't think it will influence anyone. It's poorly written, the rhetoric is weak and he keeps using emoticons and expressions like FTW and OMFG. | ||
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reisada
183 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:23 short wrote: I don't think it will influence anyone. It's poorly written, the rhetoric is weak and he keeps using emoticons and expressions like FTW and OMFG. i think those expressions will actually influence way more the younger generations actually.. he has all of this planed, of course that that factor wasnt just random, but made to hit the younger generations. his gun shots where also directed to young people with the mindset he considered as wrong | ||
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Klunssila
United States220 Posts
On July 24 2011 10:35 Sablar wrote: I doubt there is any real organization or so behind it. Seems like a loner and in his narcissistic mind lots of people will follow his self-proclaimed heroic acts, but in reality I think it will be soon forgotten. The views expressed isn't some widespread ideology and it doesn't match normal right-wing-extremists (pro-israel, anti-hitler statements), so if those are turned away who are left to follow something like this.. Sure there will always be idiots but the whole manifesto appeared scarier at first than it really is I think. Those views have been gaining lots of ground in Nordic countries and Western Europe (disregarding the stuff about killing people... mostly). | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 24 2011 11:23 short wrote: I don't think it will influence anyone. It's poorly written, the rhetoric is weak and he keeps using emoticons and expressions like FTW and OMFG. The stuff I checked so far was all very logical, analytical and detailed. I basicly just checked a few pages here and there post 600 though, skipped the personal part. Also on the guy who mentioned "Van Helsing" or "Mein Kampf" - I'm someone who reads that stuff, too. Simply because I'm curious. Information by default is neither good nor bad, it's what you make of it that fits into those descriptions. e.g. I'm practicing martial arts & I'm pretty deep into stuff when it comes to strategy and tactics, some of his descriptions are pretty solid when it comes to those things. However, he's also pretty full of himself, no matter if he's right or wrong. >_> | ||
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