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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:45 MasterFischer wrote: This guy seems determined, intelligent and knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There is a huge difference So the fact that he acts like a monster justifies you becoming one, too? Why stoop to his level when administering punishment? Even if that was legal, I still wouldn't deem it just. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote: MasterFischer: Imagine your dad having a psychic disease and doing a bad thing. Do you think it would be right to torture him because he did something due to being sick? Not saying its definitely the case with this guy but still. My main point being: Shut the fuck up Its not like he's an elderly person with dementia peeing in public this was pure evil, and yes he deserves to be tortured in the most horrible way imaginable. He knew exactly what he was doing. It makes me sick even thinking about it | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:28 MasterFischer wrote: Have you read what this guy wrote? He won't realize anything other than wanting to kill you, and the entire society. He is clearly insane. He won't EVER have any guilt for what he has done. That should basically be CRYSTAL CLEAR for everybody at this fucking moment.. dude.. he even WANTED To be arrested, so he could glorify himself, and continue to his "cause"... you think this guy repents his actions? Not a fucking chance.. I say, torture this fucking guy, sever him limb from limb, make him experience pain you and I will never imagine. And perhaps when he cries for mercy, then you might give it to him, or just continue for marathons of marathons of endless gutwrenchy torture, until he finally dies.. At that point he should be set afire, and thrown into a lake. What I'm getting at is... This person, should not be considered a human being, he must not have the pleasure of being compared to the homo sapiens speciies that you and I come from. I'll start off by saying that I'm not going to agree or disagree with anything in your post. It's your opinion and those are your feelings. That said, you made me realize something interesting... The singular trait that really separates people from other organisms and gives rise to the defintion of being human is: empathy. In literature concerning psychopathy, there have been a lot of interesting accounts that describe psychopaths as not being human - because they lack empathy. Sure, perhaps it's great to allow humans a chance at rehabilitation. But... that said, is it really worth it to give a true inhuman psychopath the chance to rehabilitate? By definition it is an illogical decision. One who cannot recognize nor display sincere empathy cannot be "rehabilitated". It's sort of sad that the system in place there seems to ignore this fact. It's great for rehabbing humans, but... really, you can't rehab certain things. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:44 Shai wrote: I would prefer not to live in a government-sanctioned atmosphere of fear - but what do I know, I believe in rehabilitation and not punishment. You think rehabilitation is an option here? | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:45 MasterFischer wrote: This guy seems determined, intelligent and knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There is a huge difference Yes, But you know why people do these things in the first place? Child hood trauma. You see, things in tender youth change a person for life. He couldnt help but become the monster, through the trauma that he must have gone through as a kid. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:49 BlackJack wrote: You think rehabilitation is an option here? He will never be allowed to become a part of the society again. It's not a question of rehabilitation then, but a question of whether it's ok to murder someone in cold blood because you think he deserves it. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:48 Pulimuli wrote: Its not like he's an elderly person with dementia peeing in public this was pure evil, and yes he deserves to be tortured in the most horrible way imaginable. He knew exactly what he was doing. It makes me sick even thinking about it It makes you sick to think about what he did but not sick to torture him in the most horrible way imaginable? Either you have a really strong stomach for torture or you have a really bad imagination. | ||
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stubbis
Norway19 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:40 Pulimuli wrote: It would probably make people like him think twice before doing anything like this again. He pretty much knew beforehand that he would not get any severe punishment for killing all those people, people who were someone's sons and daughters Having your freedom taken away from you for possibly the rest of your life is not severe? Seriously? To all the people complaining about Norwegian prisons; focus less on the physical living conditions and start to imagine how it will feel to be locked up in solitude for several decades. Also, it's impossible to have a perfect legal systems because people will always have different opinions. The Norwegian system works especially well. You may not agree with how this guy is going to be treated, but there will always be situations where the system is not perfect, there will always be grey areas, but if you start to make exceptions to the rule then you undermine the system and eventually it will mean nothing. | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:45 MasterFischer wrote: This guy seems determined, intelligent and knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There is a huge difference Exactly what i though reading his diary at the end of the book. He looked extremely intelligent, calm, and like you said HE KNEW what he was doing... This guy isn't some 'psycho' that goes to some random school, and starts shooting blindly. He is the scariest type of people that can walk on this planet. He had everything planned back from 2002... | ||
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Varela
Portugal11 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:40 Pulimuli wrote: It would probably make people like him think twice before doing anything like this again. He pretty much knew beforehand that he would not get any severe punishment for killing all those people, people who were someone's sons and daughters That doesnt make any sense, by that logic if the punishment for mass murder was working for a day cleaning the streets then everyone would be shooting everyone else... Extremists are willing to die for their beliefs, this one in particular just wants a bit more attention before going away. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:51 True_Spike wrote: He will never be allowed to become a part of the society again. It's not a question of rehabilitation then, but a question of whether it's ok to murder someone in cold blood because you think he deserves it. I agree, it's entirely a matter of opinions and morals, and sadly people almost always think their opinions and morals are the "right" ones. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:49 xarthaz wrote: Yes, But you know why people do these things in the first place? Child hood trauma. You see, things in tender youth change a person for life. He couldnt help but become the monster, through the trauma that he must have gone through as a kid. And this statement is based on what? Nothing? From what I head he even had a pretty normal childhood and was even one of the more popular guys in school. Don't try to be smart without knowing anything about this guy's childhood. | ||
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Kazuo
United States67 Posts
Give him to the parents, they should be the ones to determine his fate. Unfortunately that would never happen, but one could hope... | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:54 Kazuo wrote: I told my mom about this in the morning, I was surprised we came to the same conclusion about what should happen with him. Give him to the parents, they should be the ones to determine his fate. Unfortunately that would never happen, but one could hope... Dear god no, when the judges are emotionally and personally involved they get pulled out for a reasong. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:54 Awesomeness wrote: And this statement is based on what? Nothing? From what I head he even had a pretty normal childhood and was even one of the more popular guys in school. Don't try to be smart without knowing anything about this guy's childhood. Though he hasn't gone through any psychoanalysis or anything (to my knowledge), I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's a legitimate psychopath. In that case, he wouldn't have even needed to have had a terrible childhood. There's a lot of current research trying to explore this topic, but so far to my knowledge I think it's possible that some people are just born that way. 1% of the population is the estimate of people that do not experience empathy the way normal human beings experience it. Within this 1% there are vastly varying degrees of conditions or psychopathy, but it's at least interesting to consider. It doesn't necessarily take "childhood trauma" or whatever this Xarthaz poster is on about to produce a twisted psychopath that cannot feel empathy. | ||
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:54 Awesomeness wrote: And this statement is based on what? Nothing? From what I head he even had a pretty normal childhood and was even one of the more popular guys in school. Don't try to be smart without knowing anything about this guy's childhood. Ye. From what I read in the diary, he had normal life. The crazy thing about all his things he have done, he lived normal life. When I read that one day he wen't clubbing and then he came back and thought about "phases" that will be ahead of him i almost collapsed. He was one cold motherfucker. I almost wanna say he had like 2 sides of him. The one that only he himself new about, and the other the "nice" cool guy, that you can go party and have fun. It's really disturbing. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
May god be with you Norway. I, and the rest of my country, extend our deepest sympathies to you in this time of hardship. | ||
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chronomancer
United States29 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3424 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:53 BlackJack wrote: I agree, it's entirely a matter of opinions and morals, and sadly people almost always think their opinions and morals are the "right" ones. Always. Period. Which is why the murderer thinks what he has done is absolutely fantastic, necessary and morally justified. And while I do believe he does deserve to die for all the pain he caused (and for financial reasons, too, actually - keeping him alive will cost, so the damage he had caused will grow over time), I do not believe, however, that it is ok to do so just because I feel that way. I think *not* murdering someone cannot be morally wrong in a situation when the murder doesn't serve any other purpose than to administer revenge; It won't save anyone, it will not undo the harm he had caused. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On July 24 2011 08:45 MasterFischer wrote: This guy seems determined, intelligent and knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There is a huge difference read his manifesto and tell me there is no way he is insane Im sure u have a PhD in Psychology or something.. | ||
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