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Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect! |
I hate these companies like Coop trying to profit on his killings by banning games and gaining popularity from those who have no idea what world of warcraft it.
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On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need.
It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well.
This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else.
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On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else.
I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics?
It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming.
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With all due respect to the victiims and their families, but what they are doing is the same shit the german politics always do. They shove the blame on games, since its easier to ban games then too find the real reasons and get them out. And it can be done a lot faster then anything else.And ladies and gentleman, this is what makes people vote for your party in the end.
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On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming.
Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames.
I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture.
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On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture.
I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day.
I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this.
The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile.
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On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile.
You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world.
He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up.
I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaganda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid.
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On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile.
It's different than tooth-paste because he mentioned the game as a legitimate part of his training to kill:
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.
Just sayin'
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On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaganda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid.
What? You're calling my views extreme because I feel specifically targeting irrelevant facets of a person's life is, well, irrelevant? It's exactly because of the irrelevancy of gaming I'm disgusted here, not because I feel gaming should be evaluated at a higher standard or should be exempt from criticism.
I study media and user interaction, and have been studying the last six years. This is a classical case of appealing to a specific type of userbase based on media focus. Either these companies' PR division has set it's goal on profiting from peoples' feelings on this tragedy, or they've got incompetent PR people who've never gone through education.
On July 30 2011 01:08 butchji wrote:
Just sayin'
Then ban Modern Warfare or whatever, as well as World of Warcraft, if you feel these games specifically are part of the causes that hurt the ones who lost family here. Just generally going out and doing "EVIL GAMES ARE EVIL! PURGE IN HELLFIRE!" is like bombing an entire country to catch one man.
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On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaganda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid.
He didn't play WoW for an excuse for his family, friends, etc. He played it because he enjoyed it. He even took one year off to exclusively play WoW for the whole year. Later when he really started to live for his book and the massacre he utilized WoW for a credible excuse (but didn't really play it anymore). He furthermore mentioned an alternative would be claiming to be a homosexual.
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On July 30 2011 01:15 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaganda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He didn't play WoW for an excuse for his family, friends, etc. He played it because he enjoyed it. He even took one year off to exclusively play WoW for the whole year. Later when he really started to live for his book and the massacre he utilized WoW for a credible excuse (but didn't really play it anymore). He furthermore mentioned an alternative would be claiming to be a homosexual.
The point of my post was the purpose of wow that could be linked to the massacre.
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On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid.
He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions.
Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy.
In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right.
He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge.
The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation.
None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest.
Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism.
I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world.
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On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world.
Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions?
You disgust me. Get out.
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On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out.
And to add, to plated.rawr already excellent post. This is STILL a conspiration theory, which is still BASED ON obscure Zionist conspiracy, it has just been put into a different perspective where certain definitions have been altered but it's still the same bullshit that no sane person can stand behind and view as "truth"
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On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out.
You crazy ? That was obviously an "understatement" (litote in french).
On July 30 2011 01:31 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:
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Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out. And to add, to plated.rawr already excellent post. This is STILL a conspiration theory, which is still BASED ON obscure Zionist conspiracy, it has just been put into a different perspective where certain definitions have been altered but it's still the same bullshit that no sane person can stand behind and view as "truth"
Actually it is stated point blank in the autobiography of the first French president who accepted the massive immigration waves. He claimed that he did it because of the big business bosses who were looking for low paid workers.
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On July 30 2011 01:31 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:
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Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out. You crazy ? That was obviously an "understatement" (litote in french).
You just said you supported a theory from someone who used massmurder as a way to spread it. How do you think people will react?
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On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out.
Do you even understand the term logic? saying something is not neccesarily a logical conclusion doesn't suggest that nonetheless it is one of many logical conclusions, or even suggest there are many conclusions to be arrived at.
Basically your response is based upon an illogical assumption, motivated by emotions.
Not to mention that when people use such terminology in relation to something as extreme as this, the "not neccesarily" is often sarcastic.
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On July 30 2011 01:38 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 01:28 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 01:23 TeWy wrote:On July 30 2011 01:03 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:43 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:35 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:15 plated.rawr wrote:On July 30 2011 00:13 Integra wrote:On July 30 2011 00:06 plated.rawr wrote:On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:
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Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick. No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative. http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need. It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well. This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else. I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics? It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming. Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames. I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture. I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day. I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this. The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile. You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world. He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up. I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid. He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions. Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy. In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right. He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge. The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation. None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest. Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism. I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world. Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions? You disgust me. Get out. Do you even understand the term logic? saying something is not neccesarily a logical conclusion doesn't suggest that nonetheless it is one of many logical conclusions, or even suggest there are many conclusions to be arrived at. Basically your response is based upon an illogical assumption, motivated by emotions. Not to mention that when people use such terminology in relation to something as extreme as this, the "not neccesarily" is often sarcastic.
Nice ad hominem.
His writings had very obvious implicit reasoning. If he didn't agree with the violence, he would have used other words unless his grasp of written language in general is very poor.
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The first two funerals today, i guess the way of the muslims is to bury their dead as soon as it is feasible. Two young people that came to Norway as refugees and had engaged in politics in their new country.
Rest in peace Bano and Ismael
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GUYS! I heard he drank alot of milk, almost every day!
I can't belive they still sell milk in my local grocery store anymore! It's horrible, they should ban that devil drink right away!
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