[Old] The massacre in Norway - Page 130

Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect!

Brethern

231 Posts

July 29 2011 23:36 GMT

#2581

On July 30 2011 07:45 Neeh wrote:
GUYS! I heard he drank alot of milk, almost every day!
I can't belive they still sell milk in my local grocery store anymore! It's horrible, they should ban that devil drink right away!

I wish I could say GTFO troll but I can't.

No truer words have been spoken.

fuzzy_panda

New Zealand1681 Posts

August 01 2011 23:19 GMT

#2582

wow a new update. norwegian retailers have pulled violent games from shelves

A recent attack in Norway by terrorist Anders Behring Breivik -- who killed 77 people at a political youth camp -- has caused various Norwegian retailers to pull violent video games from their stores' shelves, according to reports by Aftenposten and Gamers Globe. In Breivik's manifesto, he claims to have trained with such games as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. Norwegian retailer Coop Norway responded by pulling 51 products from its stores, including games such as Homefront, Call of Duty: Black Ops, and Sniper: Ghost Warrior.

"In light of Friday's horrific events, and [with] respect for those affected, we have chosen to remove simple items from our [lineup]," said Director of Sales at Coop Norway Geir Inge Stokke last week.

Breivik, whose attacks were fueled by an anti-Islamic agenda, could be sentenced to 21 years or more in prison, according to a report by the Guardian.

Source:
http://au.games.ign.com/articles/118/1185353p1.html

One of the rare, eloquent comments on IGN reads:

"In light of Friday's horrific events, and [with] respect for those affected, we have chosen to remove simple items from our [lineup]," said Director of Sales at Coop Norway Geir Inge Stokke last week."

Congratulations Norwegian "retailers"! You've single-handedly managed to DISRESPECT "those affected", by subverting a fraction of the blame that lies solely on Anders Behring Breivik, & partially justified his actions as an involuntary reaction to a "simple item" (video game), that was designed to entertain! You've also completely underminded freedom of speech, and disrespected interactive entertainment developers all over the world! You've spat upon the notion that video games are an important creative art form, and you've even indirectly negotiated with a terrorist who's already been captured! You did this by giving his psychotic manifesto enough creedence, to deem it worthy of representing a legitimate social warning!

It would've been less disrespectful, & less damaging to not only those affected, but also the entire entertainment medium as a whole, including the freedoms we fight to protect of both of these groups, if you had just pissed on the graves of every person this terrorist killed. Now anyone else who decides to go on a shooting rampage, for whatever initial reason they claim, will now use this media crutch as an excuse to alleviate 100% personal responsibility!

this sums up my sentiments pretty well

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

August 01 2011 23:57 GMT

#2583

On July 30 2011 01:38 XeliN wrote:

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On July 29 2011 23:57 Weson wrote:
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Norway didn't ban the games or did they? If not it's their way of saying that they dont want to have anything to do with ABB. It's their choice they can do whatever they want if it's within the law. But i think it's just a PR trick.

No, Norway didn't ban anything. Platekompaniet and Coop Norway, two privately owned companies, did it on own initiative.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10081059

Being a gaming enthusiast, I obviously find this to be silly. An emotional gut-reaction which goes out to label games as negative rather than trying to contribute constructively to what after-effects these events need.

It should be noted though that the companies did it due to respect for the people who has been affected by the massacre and that it is only temporary. They do not claim in any way that the games were the cause behind the massacre. They have also removed any weapons they were selling as well.

This is not the usual "Videogames are to blame" but something else.

I don't buy that reasoning. If it's out of respect of the people who died, then why didn't they temporarily ban violent movies and series? Music by right-wing bands or those with violent lyrics?

It's simply a reaction based to cater on people's distrust of games and the media comments it's gotten the last few days. It's despicable and another pointless kick towards gaming.

Because he mentioned them in the manifest, would he had mentioned movies or series they would had banned that instead. And there hasn't really been any real radical videogames bashing in the media, even the article who reported this included a view of another store who still sold videogames where they claimed that there were no connection with videogames.

I really feel people on TL.Net are overacting to this gesture.

I haven't read his manifest so I won't make assertions as to what he exactly wrote about. What I do know though, is that the very earliest reports on the terrorist by the media after he was apprehended was general physical apperances, his name, plus that he played World of Warcraft. His gaming perferences have been elaborated upon in the last week past that day.

I mean, really? World of Warcraft? Who, of internet-loving young males in the western world, HASN'T played WoW, or at least been associated with it? Why didn't you mention that the terrorist preferred yellow boxers? Or that his toothpaste was minty? Or that he preferred pasta carbonara over hamburgers? It's a completely irrelevant detail that any person with media- and userevaluation as their field should know would create reactions simply because of the negative publicity they've gotten since the 90s when it started becoming more than a marginalized subculture. His gaming perference has been picked out SPECIFICALLY for this.

The reason I find this move by the companies despicable is of course because it villifies games solely, yes, but mostly because of the hypocricy they show by SIMPLY targeting games. It's a PR move based on profiting from grief and fear, which is beyond vile.

You guys are starting to sound more and more like the right extremists who believes in a evil unified global muslim/jew/[insert any other cultur or race here to infinity] organization that will conquer the world.

He has planned this for 9 years. WOW did not exist back then. Further he explains the reason why he played wow. He used addiction to videogames as an excuse not to draw attention to himself when his friends and relatives asked him why he didn't go out. He said that he was addicted to videogames and needed to play them allot when he in reality was planning to kill people. it was his cover-up.

I've been pretty diligent to watch after anti videogame propaghanda since the massacre and I have hardly heard anything. you guys are just being paranoid.

He toke 1 year of when he was 25 to play WoW. Ofc it didn't make him a killer but it definitely contributed to untie him even more of the social norms and conventions.

Besides, in his Manifesto, he never mentions anywhere anything related to a Jewish or Islamic conspiracy.
In fact he was against the concept of a hidden and obscure Zionist conspiracy that you often hear from the far-right.

He stated more or less that there's no need for a conspiration theory when some interests converge.

The socialists import muslim immigrants for elections purpose (immigrants are overwhelmingly at the left), the marxists use them as a replacement of population/culture who would be more inclined to love their principles, and the liberals/capitalists see them as low paid manual workers at disposition who contribute to decrease the salaries through inflation.
None of these people care about the real and concrete consequences of a sudden and violent cultural/population change since all these people live in privileged area and their own particular interests come far ahead than the national interest.
Plus all the financial/market lobbies supporting them oblige them to be pro-massive immigration and pro-liberalism.

I totally agree with him on this precise analysis, even though mass murdering is not necessarily the logical conclusion of this sharp vision of the world.

Not neccesarily, but it IS one of the logical conlusions?

You disgust me. Get out.

Do you even understand the term logic? saying something is not neccesarily a logical conclusion doesn't suggest that nonetheless it is one of many logical conclusions, or even suggest there are many conclusions to be arrived at.

Basically your response is based upon an illogical assumption, motivated by emotions.

Not to mention that when people use such terminology in relation to something as extreme as this, the "not neccesarily" is often sarcastic.

Uh yeah if you read the post you'll come to the conclusion he's not the sharpest tool in the shed however, as he obviously shares the view of politics as the guy who just bombed the resident of the government and killed - was it 76? - children. "I totally agree with him on this precise analysis[...]" and furthermore calls it a "sharp vision of the world".

I think that it is way way waaay too early and way too disrespectful to pass by without a 'fuck you'.
How the hell can you even attempt to justify mass murder so soon after? Even if he's sarcastic it's still somewhat early to joke around about this tragedy.

Also I highly dislike the uses of phraces such as "import muslim immigrants" as it detaches them from being human beings. They're just mentioned as a faceless mass of people coming over with no conscient mind. Ofcourse it all rests on them being muslims. Had they been Christians it'd be all good and well.
I'd like to remind you that what the French has done to Africa is the reason to why even immigration is necessary in many cases. If you can't stand people of other races - see it as giving back part of what you've stolen, and be very happy that karma isn't more of a bitch.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28665 Posts

August 02 2011 00:53 GMT

#2584

if you've actually read more than a snippet of his manifest and you think "there's a lot of correct stuff in there" or any variation thereof, you're pretty crazy. when it was first launched it was largely hailed as somewhat of a significant work that could've gotten attention independently of this whole attack. but now that it's been examined more thoroughly, it's painfully clear that there's nothing good or correct in there. he's largely copy pasting stuff he's read in other, sometimes contradictional sources, and intersperses the articles with stuff relating to his personal greatness as an individual. his ego is way out there and he's incredibly narcissistic.

the only parts of his manifest that can be described as his own work based on his own research and his own independent thoughts, are the parts relating to killing innocent people. mostly everything else he has written is meaningless drivel, and while he does quote some intelligent people, these are never in agreement with him.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

August 02 2011 01:43 GMT

#2585

There are a ton of dumb things in his manifesto but the highlight is when he is saying that he hates Hitler because he is the main reason of the emergence of multiculturalism and the downfall of the nationalist ideologies. He is basicly blaming Hitler for all his atrocities and at the same time he thinks that killing 70(? ) people will help his ideas.
That doesn't make any sense.

BlackJack

United States10499 Posts

August 02 2011 03:07 GMT

#2586

One week after the press got together to bash Beck for saying a political youth camp sounds like Hitler Youth - they are now reporting that Putin told youth at a political camp that America is like a "parasite" on the global economy. Wasn't calling people parasites like straight out of the nazi handbook? I found the timing of that somewhat ironic.

aFganFlyTrap

Australia212 Posts

August 02 2011 05:15 GMT

#2587

calling the american economy a parasite is far more accurate/considered a mainstream idea then the youth camp in norway being like the hitler youth...

glen beck is a complete batshit crazy nutter who comes out with lines like the above almost weekly. where as putin is a former president/current prime minister of Russia who ran a fiscally sound 8 year term which largely saved russia from its economical crisis. bit harsh on old mate vladimir to compare his statements with glen beck or even mention them in the same sentence-_-

epik640x

United States1134 Posts

August 02 2011 05:17 GMT

#2588

Sweden wouldn't pull video games. Would you, Sweden?

Evolution

Norway13 Posts

August 02 2011 10:20 GMT

#2589

Im from Norway, and i would just like to say thank you to all for the condolences. its tuching to read alot of these post in these hard times. one of my best friends kristoffer nyborg was at utøya, luckely he survived. but the mental scars are deep, and the look in his eyes are emty. hopfully the togetherness you show us here and as we will show the survivers and the victims. will help them. and the families.

I will neverforget.

Thank you all!!

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

August 02 2011 13:03 GMT

#2590

On August 02 2011 14:17 epik640x wrote:
Sweden wouldn't pull video games. Would you, Sweden?

Nah, I'm pretty sure the general swedish mentality is like my own:
Blaming a game for something a gamer did is like blaming a newspaper for what a reader did.

You can't ban newspapers just because someone who read a newspaper killed someone, and it's just as ridiculous to do it with games.

achristes

Norway653 Posts

August 02 2011 13:22 GMT

#2591

He played MW2 becuase its the best (In his opinion) military simulator, then why did he just run around quickscoping in the youtube vids of his MW2 gameplay? lmao

R4TM

Brazil140 Posts

August 02 2011 13:25 GMT

#2592

After reading so much info about the case, one thing i didnt find, what model/brand is the rifle/gun he used, someone know?

pred470r

Bulgaria3265 Posts

August 02 2011 13:39 GMT

#2593

On August 02 2011 22:25 R4TM wrote:
After reading so much info about the case, one thing i didnt find, what model/brand is the rifle/gun he used, someone know?

I think it was an M-16 correct me if I'm wrong.

BlackFlag

499 Posts

August 02 2011 14:09 GMT

#2594

On August 02 2011 14:15 aFganFlyTrap wrote:
calling the american economy a parasite is far more accurate/considered a mainstream idea then the youth camp in norway being like the hitler youth...

glen beck is a complete batshit crazy nutter who comes out with lines like the above almost weekly. where as putin is a former president/current prime minister of Russia who ran a fiscally sound 8 year term which largely saved russia from its economical crisis. bit harsh on old mate vladimir to compare his statements with glen beck or even mention them in the same sentence-_-

Putin is not dumb (as opposed to beck), but he's at least an authoritarian half-fascist. Russia is no democracy, and it's completly controlled by him (and medwedev) and his friends. Just wanted to say this, so no one thinks that Putin is a "good guy".

Weson

Iceland1032 Posts

August 02 2011 14:19 GMT

#2595

On August 02 2011 22:25 R4TM wrote:
After reading so much info about the case, one thing i didnt find, what model/brand is the rifle/gun he used, someone know?

They say he used a pimped up Ruger mini 14.

Zealotdriver

United States1557 Posts

August 15 2011 01:25 GMT

#2596

So I just read this article at the NYtimes, the police just took Breivik back to Utoya to simulate the shooting for them. They had him on a harness and leash to prevent escape. Apparently he called them several times during the shooting attempting to surrender, but they did not respond. The way this tragedy unfolded seems so surreal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/world/europe/15norway.html

Breivik is the one on the left in the photo from VG/Scanpix.
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Earll

Norway847 Posts

August 15 2011 02:57 GMT

#2597

On August 15 2011 10:25 Zealotdriver wrote:
So I just read this article at the NYtimes, the police just took Breivik back to Utoya to simulate the shooting for them. They had him on a harness and leash to prevent escape. Apparently he called them several times during the shooting attempting to surrender, but they did not respond. The way this tragedy unfolded seems so surreal.

As a sidenote, I believe he called them to tell them that he would surrender when they arrived (as they did) to lessen the risk of him getting shot\killed so he could not spread his message the way he wants to. he was not trying to say that he would stop shooting people now, just that he would stop when they arrived (at least that is my understanding of it)

Detwiler

United States239 Posts

August 15 2011 03:05 GMT

#2598

Maybe im just a barbaric american but if i was a cop and i got the call that he would stop when i got there.. I would have shot him. Plain and simple i would have shot him and then said he was armed and aimed at me. Maybe that makes me a bad person but i dont really care.

Slaughter

United States20254 Posts

August 15 2011 03:10 GMT

#2599

Its just a bad situation. No need to heap more anguish on Norway by outside observers heaping on criticism because of their time of response and possible scenarios with a less body count.

KwarK

United States42682 Posts

August 15 2011 03:16 GMT

#2600

On August 15 2011 12:05 Detwiler wrote:
Maybe im just a barbaric american but if i was a cop and i got the call that he would stop when i got there.. I would have shot him. Plain and simple i would have shot him and then said he was armed and aimed at me. Maybe that makes me a bad person but i dont really care.

Pretty sure it's murder to kill someone who isn't a threat to you, even if you're a cop.

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