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On July 26 2011 21:56 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left. lol? Well known? Man your talking out your butt and have no idea whats comming out. I also like the sentence that starts with 'The Norway killer really did a good job..."
Dude, don't do that.
I know you disagree with the poster you are replying to, but it's dirty pool to hack up quotes to make someone seem like they said something they didn't. That's Glenn Beck tactics right there.
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On July 26 2011 22:00 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:56 AdamBanks wrote:On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left. lol? Well known? Man your talking out your butt and have no idea whats comming out. I also like the sentence that starts with 'The Norway killer really did a good job..." Dude, don't do that. I know you disagree with the poster you are replying to, but it's dirty pool to hack up quotes to make someone seem like they said something they didn't. That's Glenn Beck tactics right there.
Speaking of Glenn Beck, he's just gone and made a fool of himself by comparing the victims of the shootings in Norway to the Hitler Youth. Yikes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.html
It's appalling to think that people take this man seriously.
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On July 26 2011 21:59 haduken wrote:
I'm interested in how Norway is going to deter further events like this as evidently the country is not equipped to handle nutcases like this.
What will they do if say someone who is aligned with Anders do this again? in a different camp, a different building? Classic Terrorism.
They seems to say that we are strong, we will not change our values but what if they have to face the same events again and again?
I really doubt any country would be able to handle the events any better.
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On July 26 2011 22:00 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:56 AdamBanks wrote:On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left. lol? Well known? Man your talking out your butt and have no idea whats comming out. I also like the sentence that starts with 'The Norway killer really did a good job..." Dude, don't do that. I know you disagree with the poster you are replying to, but it's dirty pool to hack up quotes to make someone seem like they said something they didn't. That's Glenn Beck tactics right there.
Yea I apologize for the talking out the butt part as that was uncalled for. But i feel that the first part of that sentence reflects that posters insensitivity which is what riles me about many posts in this thread. Please ignore any derailment this may have caused.
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One of my friends were on Utøya, and he is still missing. I can't begins to describe the feeling of maybe not seeing a person that once sat beside me. We met in parties, we had good discussions and we played alot of dota together (he was really good in that as well).
It is a feeling which leaves me with constant "mageknip" (stomach-hurt?) and words just can't describe it enough. I have been together with friends which also know him, and we have cried and hugged eachother many times over the last few days. Even though hope is small, we can't do anything else but believe...
It's been some really sad days here in Norway...
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On July 26 2011 20:15 Bactrian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 14:32 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2011 12:35 Bactrian wrote:On July 26 2011 07:18 BlackJack wrote:On July 26 2011 05:04 TokO wrote:
Just want to clarify, most youth politicians I know are intelligent people who are actively contributing to democracy in Norway. I'm actually insulted that Glenn Beck would even make that ignorant statement given the situation. People are there voluntarily because they agree with their respective party, and most of all, they want to make Norway a better country. They all are an inspiring group of people for the democratic world. I'm equally insulted that one off-the-cuff comment during a 3 hour radio show generates the headline "Glenn Beck On Norway Killings: Children Like 'Hitler Youth" (Huffingtonpost headline). Using this tragedy to score a cheap political win with a sensationalist and misleading headline for an off-the-cuff comment taken out of context is equally outrageous, imo. I'm no fan of Beck, but it's clear to me that he's not the only one out of line here. This is Glenn Beck's exact quote according to my local paper ( link here): There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing Yes, strictly speaking Huffington Post's headline was not correct. The most generous interpretation of his quote, that it only suggests the camp was similar to that run by the Hitler Youth, and doesn't say anything directly about the children. But if the camp was similar to that run by the Hitler Youth, that still does imply the children there were equivalent to members of the HY.I find it seriously hard to believe you find a slightly misleading headline (something that occurs in papers of all political persuasions) to be as outrageous as a comment that associates the child victims of a mass murderer with the Hitler Youth. Obviously under the rules of language you can say that Beck was comparing the children to Hitler youth. Kind of like when Obama said that his bowling skills were "special olympics bad" you can easily convey that to mean Obama thinks that challenged people suck at bowling. It's still ridiculous to use that for a political hatchet job. We also know that he is using the term Hitler Youth as an example of children being indoctrinated and not trying to compare the beliefs with the Hitler Youth to the beliefs of the victims here. The fact that the Hitler Youth were indoctrinated with worse ideas doesn't make them worse people -- they were innocent children whose young and impressionable minds were perverted. So when you see the headline of Beck saying the children are like Hitler Youth you think of "kids that want to murder jews" instead of "innocent kids that are being indoctrinated with filthy ideas." (socialism = filthy to beck) It's obvious that his intention was the latter. It's obvious that the media wants you think that Beck called the victims little nazis. Unless of course you think that the Hitler Youth were indeed monsters and not innocent children, then it would be an outrage to compare the victims to those little german satans, heh. Of course the real reason I have been so annoyed by the Beck bashing is because this is my first reaction to the Oslo attack just hours after it started: http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/979334/2/Oslo_next_to_suffer_terrorism.html Particularly post #24 of the thread. When someone says "Socialist youth camp" I think of the movie "Jesus camp" which is about young children being indoctrinated. But apparently I am a colossal asshole for not knowing what goes on in a youth political camp in Norway. What? It's not at all obvious "Beck is saying the victims were little Nazis" is the message the media "wants me to think" - maybe stop reading terribad newsites? My local newspaper also covered the story, and the impression I got was completely different. The issue isn't that Beck is calling the children "evil Nazis" it's that in his example he's implying they are the equivalent of the HITLER YOUTH. Do you think that's inoffensive? Seriously? Given the circumstances... it's inappropriate and EXTREMELY distasteful, particularly for a European country. THAT'S why it's outrageous. Here's a tip: If the newspapers of other countries with no American political leaning report on his comments, you better believe they're pretty outrageous. The whole reason I made the original post you quoted is because I couldn't understand how you thought a shitty sensationalist news website having a shitty sensationalist news headline was more outrageous than that. BTW: First you say Beck thinks socialism is a filthy idea and has no problem associating it with Nazism. Then you say that's not casting any judgement on I don't know, say, the children who voluntarily went to a "socialist" youth camp? Okay. Show nested quote +When someone says "Socialist youth camp" I think of the movie "Jesus camp" which is about young children being indoctrinated. But apparently I am a colossal asshole for not knowing what goes on in a youth political camp in Norway. ?? Interpreting (mistranslated) information while the event is going on is completely different from coming after the event, when most of the facts are known, and forming an informed opinion then. Which is what Beck had the luxury of doing.
The fact is that anyone that knows Glenn Beck knows that the headline "Glenn Beck compares shooting victims to Hitler Youth" thinks of Glenn Beck in front of a chalk board with a bunch of swastikas going on and on about how these children were like the Hitler Youth. If you see that headline and you don't picture Beck ranting about the little eichmann's in Norway's youth camps then you're probably not familiar with Beck's work.
It's obviously not just trash online news sites. This quote is from the The Daily Telegraph
Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.
They are really milking his 1 sentence comment for all it's worth. I don't think so much has ever been said with so few words.
Do I think the two are equally outrageous? Well I have learned to ignore Beck a long, long, long time ago, (8 years ago or so) back before he was even slightly famous, since he was on morning radio in my area. So I am fairly immune to anything he says. I am somewhat surprised and saddened to see that he is making international headlines though, even after he has been kicked off television and now resides on "talk radio" where you will hear 10 equally offensive things within the next month.
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On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Show nested quote +Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left.
Except that there are countless examples of cultures coexisting perfectly, and everyone sceptical keeps ignoring those and focus only on the few incidents that suggests the opposite. Conflicts are often a result of individuals being flawed, which can happen to anyone, but when it happens to a foreigner, it brings the whole group into bad light.
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On July 26 2011 22:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 22:00 bonifaceviii wrote:On July 26 2011 21:56 AdamBanks wrote:On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left. lol? Well known? Man your talking out your butt and have no idea whats comming out. I also like the sentence that starts with 'The Norway killer really did a good job..." Dude, don't do that. I know you disagree with the poster you are replying to, but it's dirty pool to hack up quotes to make someone seem like they said something they didn't. That's Glenn Beck tactics right there. Speaking of Glenn Beck, he's just gone and made a fool of himself by comparing the victims of the shootings in Norway to the Hitler Youth. Yikes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.htmlIt's appalling to think that people take this man seriously. Unbelievable, what a fucking moron. Do Americans really take this man seriously?
How can anyone take him seriously:
Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that. /facepalm
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On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Show nested quote +Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left.
Something stroke me when I went to Mauritius island.
Those guys, they have hinduist temples, catholic churches, Buddhist temples, Muslim Mosquees, and even Protestant Temples I believe. All over an island that's about as big as Tokyo.
And not a fraggin religious conflict in their history (at least as far as the natives told me).
Talk about tolerance and setting an example... and ruining Koveras's point 
[Edit : got the quotes right]
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i still can't get over it
it was easy to understand and move-on with Tim McVeigh (as he was just pro-gun militant kook)
easy to forget and condemn Seung-Cho of Virginia Tech (the mentally-sick dude couldn't even make a proper recording and give eye-contact)
even september 11 was easy to understand, label, and move-on (crazy backwards cultural Muslims of a terror network), does Islam condone killing btw? The difference between Christianity and Islam always seems to be that in the New Testament, emphasis was placed on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and of forgiveness and bearing the sins of others, while in Islam, Mohammed was a militant who married a widow 20 years his senior and made up the rules for the jihad. Anyways, it was still kind of easy to dismiss, as Islam seemed pretty foreign anyways.
With the Norway killer, he seems absolutely normal on the surface. His genteel look is different than the rugged look of the insecure and ignorant neo-Nazis. It just irks me to great extent that he was a cultural Christian as well. He just lacks the looks of a killer. I've experienced awesome people with his phenotype, but they are smart, open-minded individuals who use their leadership potential working in respectable jobs in the CIA. Sure, he was a bit immoral and seemed fascinated by bombs, so are many Americans. The gun and explosives culture is very ingrained here as a way of living, and nobody gets hurt by it except sometimes the owners of the firearms during accidents. I need help getting over with this shock and incredulity to be able to focus on the victims of the shooting. I read that guy's manifest. He converses in a very normal fashion. Sure, he says some things out of line, but don't we all remember saying something we actually didn't really mean at some point just to test the idea out. We have a healthy, educated white male, who is 6 foot tall and really shouldn't be having the "frustrations" of not getting female attention that he claims to be suffering from, who has a loving mother, who is in an awesome socialist nation (even outfitted to the farthest extent with humane prisons), who had a small capital (enough to start a business, though he wasted half of it on stock speculations). He really has a lot more than most people from head-to-toe down to being extremely motivationally driven and focused as evinced with the year-long planning of his massacre. Is he like Lord Voldemort - one can stretch the parallel between both having their fathers abandon their mothers at a young age? Did he accidentally screw up his brain by selecting for anti-Muslim hate messages and sermons of narrow-minded douchebags to listen to each day? There goes a man with so much potential down the drain.
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What about nameless people from iraq,afghanistan,libia,africa,india ,people with aids,malaria,hungry..?Who cares about them?Why do you care so much about few people from Norway?
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On July 27 2011 07:34 whitelly wrote:
What about nameless people from iraq,afghanistan,libia,africa,india ,people with aids,malaria,hungry..?Who cares about them?Why do you care so much about few people from Norway?
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Are they mutually exclusive?
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My condolences for Norway.
What about the hunger crysis in Sudan?
Everytime you turn on the news, there is nothing but news about Norway.
It is very tragic, that is not what I am saying, but I think it is abit too much.
Denmark donated 400 million kroners (77 million dollars) when the tsunami hit Thailand in 2006, we have "only" donated 10 million kroners (1,93 millions dollars) to Sudan, and more than 100 people die each day.
That is just wrong imo.
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On July 27 2011 07:26 IzieBoy wrote:
i still can't get over it
it was easy to understand and move-on with Tim McVeigh (as he was just pro-gun militant kook)
easy to forget and condemn Seung-Cho of Virginia Tech (the mentally-sick dude couldn't even make a proper recording and give eye-contact)
even september 11 was easy to understand, label, and move-on (crazy backwards cultural Muslims of a terror network), does Islam condone killing btw? The difference between Christianity and Islam always seems to be that in the New Testament, emphasis was placed on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and of forgiveness and bearing the sins of others, while in Islam, Mohammed was a militant who married a widow 20 years his senior and made up the rules for the jihad. Anyways, it was still kind of easy to dismiss, as Islam seemed pretty foreign anyways.
With the Norway killer, he seems absolutely normal on the surface. His genteel look is different than the rugged look of the insecure and ignorant neo-Nazis. It just irks me to great extent that he was a cultural Christian as well. He just lacks the looks of a killer. I've experienced awesome people with his phenotype, but they are smart, open-minded individuals who use their leadership potential working in respectable jobs in the CIA. Sure, he was a bit immoral and seemed fascinated by bombs, so are many Americans. The gun and explosives culture is very ingrained here as a way of living, and nobody gets hurt by it except sometimes the owners of the firearms during accidents. I need help getting over with this shock and incredulity to be able to focus on the victims of the shooting. I read that guy's manifest. He converses in a very normal fashion. Sure, he says some things out of line, but don't we all remember saying something we actually didn't really mean at some point just to test the idea out. We have a healthy, educated white male, who is 6 foot tall and really shouldn't be having the "frustrations" of not getting female attention that he claims to be suffering from, who has a loving mother, who is in an awesome socialist nation (even outfitted to the farthest extent with humane prisons), who had a small capital (enough to start a business, though he wasted half of it on stock speculations). He really has a lot more than most people from head-to-toe down to being extremely motivationally driven and focused as evinced with the year-long planning of his massacre. Is he like Lord Voldemort - one can stretch the parallel between both having their fathers abandon their mothers at a young age? Did he accidentally screw up his brain by selecting for anti-Muslim hate messages and sermons of narrow-minded douchebags to listen to each day? There goes a man with so much potential down the drain.
He actually stikes me as a bit of an assange figure, who was just a bit crazier, bit more problems with woman and had maybe 10 less IQ.
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On July 26 2011 22:38 BleaK_ wrote:
One of my friends were on Utøya, and he is still missing. I can't begins to describe the feeling of maybe not seeing a person that once sat beside me. We met in parties, we had good discussions and we played alot of dota together (he was really good in that as well).
It is a feeling which leaves me with constant "mageknip" (stomach-hurt?) and words just can't describe it enough. I have been together with friends which also know him, and we have cried and hugged eachother many times over the last few days. Even though hope is small, we can't do anything else but believe...
It's been some really sad days here in Norway...
My best wishes to you and to the families of all the victims and all of their friends. It's all the more shocking and sad to hear from people so close to the tragedy. I cannot imagine being put in the same situation or how awful it must feel right now. =(
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On July 26 2011 22:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 22:00 bonifaceviii wrote:On July 26 2011 21:56 AdamBanks wrote:On July 26 2011 21:50 koveras wrote:Except in this case I'm not dismissing his opinions based on his actions, I'm dismissing them based on basic values of human equality, compassion, and downright common moral sense. His entire manifesto reeks of outdated Hegelian notions of historic cultural value, as though a defense of storied European bloodlines acts as an excuse to commit heinous murder. He uses freemason terminology and a distorted sense of racial demographics to justify blatant racism and a dislike of heterogeneity. Like I said, anyone who agrees with even a shred of what this man believes is a worthless excuse for a morally upstanding human being. It is well known that different cultures that live which eachother in close proximity increases the chance for conflict. There is no hate or racism involved in being critical about multi-cultural society. The Norway killer really did a good job in tilting this discussion in favor of the left. lol? Well known? Man your talking out your butt and have no idea whats comming out. I also like the sentence that starts with 'The Norway killer really did a good job..." Dude, don't do that. I know you disagree with the poster you are replying to, but it's dirty pool to hack up quotes to make someone seem like they said something they didn't. That's Glenn Beck tactics right there. Speaking of Glenn Beck, he's just gone and made a fool of himself by comparing the victims of the shootings in Norway to the Hitler Youth. Yikes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8660986/Norway-shooting-Glenn-Beck-compares-dead-teenagers-to-Hitler-youth.htmlIt's appalling to think that people take this man seriously.
Oh my.... I really didn't think Beck could hit a new low, but alas he has..........
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http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/war_in_europe01.shtml
When someone who went through a Neo-Nazi phase, burned down several churches, and stabbed a former bandmate to death looks down on Breivik, you know this guy went too far (if you were somehow unable to make that judgement in the first place).
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IzieBoy: It should make you think over it that someone who has what you like to believe are normal and healthy views and culture commits such act because people aren't cracking down hard enough on muslims/arabs. I quess it's easier for you when you can pretend that muslims/arabs are just evil incarnated.
His actions fit right into far right views.
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On July 27 2011 07:26 IzieBoy wrote:
i still can't get over it
it was easy to understand and move-on with Tim McVeigh (as he was just pro-gun militant kook)
easy to forget and condemn Seung-Cho of Virginia Tech (the mentally-sick dude couldn't even make a proper recording and give eye-contact)
even september 11 was easy to understand, label, and move-on (crazy backwards cultural Muslims of a terror network), does Islam condone killing btw? The difference between Christianity and Islam always seems to be that in the New Testament, emphasis was placed on the resurrection of Jesus Christ and of forgiveness and bearing the sins of others, while in Islam, Mohammed was a militant who married a widow 20 years his senior and made up the rules for the jihad. Anyways, it was still kind of easy to dismiss, as Islam seemed pretty foreign anyways.
With the Norway killer, he seems absolutely normal on the surface. His genteel look is different than the rugged look of the insecure and ignorant neo-Nazis. It just irks me to great extent that he was a cultural Christian as well. He just lacks the looks of a killer. I've experienced awesome people with his phenotype, but they are smart, open-minded individuals who use their leadership potential working in respectable jobs in the CIA. Sure, he was a bit immoral and seemed fascinated by bombs, so are many Americans. The gun and explosives culture is very ingrained here as a way of living, and nobody gets hurt by it except sometimes the owners of the firearms during accidents. I need help getting over with this shock and incredulity to be able to focus on the victims of the shooting. I read that guy's manifest. He converses in a very normal fashion. Sure, he says some things out of line, but don't we all remember saying something we actually didn't really mean at some point just to test the idea out. We have a healthy, educated white male, who is 6 foot tall and really shouldn't be having the "frustrations" of not getting female attention that he claims to be suffering from, who has a loving mother, who is in an awesome socialist nation (even outfitted to the farthest extent with humane prisons), who had a small capital (enough to start a business, though he wasted half of it on stock speculations). He really has a lot more than most people from head-to-toe down to being extremely motivationally driven and focused as evinced with the year-long planning of his massacre. Is he like Lord Voldemort - one can stretch the parallel between both having their fathers abandon their mothers at a young age? Did he accidentally screw up his brain by selecting for anti-Muslim hate messages and sermons of narrow-minded douchebags to listen to each day? There goes a man with so much potential down the drain.
He wasn't fully normal. Some ways he thinks is just weird. Like for instance, he was sure he was going to get shot while driving in and out of the court building yesterday, he said to his lawyer. Also, he has this idea that is torture in the Norwegian prison. He has many delusional thoughts.
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On July 27 2011 14:46 ThePhan2m wrote:
He wasn't fully normal. Some ways he thinks is just weird. Like for instance, he was sure he was going to get shot while driving in and out of the court building yesterday, he said to his lawyer. Also, he has this idea that is torture in the Norwegian prison. He has many delusional thoughts.
I would not believe too many of the things that newspapers write about the guy as every word will be interpreted. You dont know what he has actually said to that lawyer. Right now the newspapers are full of "professional" psychologists trying to conclude absurd things out of single sentences.
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